View Full Version : What is your favorite Soviet Gun?
lieutlienant Vorontsov
04-11-2005, 12:26 PM
My favority Sovet Gun is PPSH, Mosin, Dehterev.
Komissar Ombrok
04-12-2005, 02:56 AM
I like PPSH, but PTRD (Anti-tank gun of Degtjarev) is good also...
http://moscowbattle.narod.ru/photos/weapons/hand/ptrd.jpg
Also Mosin-Nagant was a very good rifle. Romanian WW2 snipers usually preferred Mosin-Nagant.
Komissar Ombrok
04-12-2005, 03:20 AM
Yep. Mosin-Nagan was excelent gun, for now many hunters in Russia using it. But in the war, for ordinary infantry, Mosin-Nagant was out of date. Only aotomatic guns was useful...
South African Military
04-12-2005, 05:43 AM
Id have to go with PPSH
Preatorian
04-12-2005, 11:32 AM
Hmm... in case of war and if i can"t get something better, than WWII russian guns (oh, no M1 Carabine or MP 42/StG43, huh ?)... Hard to answer question...
Maybe i will use one of these AVS 36 or SVT 40 autorifle.
http://rusweapon.narod.ru/g2_.jpg
If i need make my choise from old USSR SMGs - no doubts, PPS (Pistolet-Pulemet Sudaeva)
Gen. Sandworm
04-12-2005, 11:55 AM
Id have to go with PPSH
I have to agree :D
Sturmtruppen
04-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Mosin-Nagant of course!
Polar
04-25-2005, 05:52 AM
I like Tokarev TT :D
Enzo Guy
06-25-2005, 01:05 PM
KPV 14.5 mm heavy machine gun
http://www.taos-inc.com/smarms.htm
FW-190 Pilot
06-25-2005, 02:10 PM
Id have to go with PPSH
so its PPSH -41 or PPSH -43?
Id have to go with PPSH
so its PPSH -41 or PPSH -43?
PPSh-41:
http://www.gunpics.net/russian/ppsh41/ppsh414.JPG
PPS-43:
http://www.gunpics.net/russian/pps43/pps432.JPG
FW-190 Pilot
06-26-2005, 04:29 AM
so which gun do you think its better, i think ppsh 41 is better at rate of fire and ppsh 43 is better at accuracy
Man of Stoat
06-26-2005, 06:04 AM
so which gun do you think its better, i think ppsh 41 is better at rate of fire and ppsh 43 is better at accuracy
a) high rates of fire are bad in SMGs - around 450rpm is ideal (Smith & Smith Small Arms Of The World talks about this). This isn't a game of Top Trumps.
b) I am not aware of which is supposed to be the more accurate, but an educated guess is that the PPSh will be more accurate in use simply because it is heavier, particularly with the drum mag. When an SMG is ready to fire, the breech block is held back. When you pull the trigger, the breech block flies forward, strips a round from the magazine, chambers it and fires it. There is considerable movement of the weapon due to the breech block before the round has even been fired. If the weight of the wpn is higher, this movement will be less (on the basis of conservation of momentum).
so which gun do you think its better, i think ppsh 41 is better at rate of fire and ppsh 43 is better at accuracy
PPS-43 is a much better weapon, good rate of fire, very relaible, cheap to manufacutre and maintain, easy to load/reload, light and compact.
The only thing I don't like about it is that the stock is a bit flimsy.
PzKpfw VI Tiger
06-28-2005, 09:54 AM
so which gun do you think its better, i think ppsh 41 is better at rate of fire and ppsh 43 is better at accuracy
I think the PPsh 41 is better because of its higher rate of fire, around 900 RPM, excellent durability and low matinence (sounds a little like the AK)
Man of Stoat
06-28-2005, 10:42 AM
so which gun do you think its better, i think ppsh 41 is better at rate of fire and ppsh 43 is better at accuracy
a) high rates of fire are bad in SMGs - around 450rpm is ideal (Smith & Smith Small Arms Of The World talks about this). This isn't a game of Top Trumps.
b) I am not aware of which is supposed to be the more accurate, but an educated guess is that the PPSh will be more accurate in use simply because it is heavier, particularly with the drum mag. When an SMG is ready to fire, the breech block is held back. When you pull the trigger, the breech block flies forward, strips a round from the magazine, chambers it and fires it. There is considerable movement of the weapon due to the breech block before the round has even been fired. If the weight of the wpn is higher, this movement will be less (on the basis of conservation of momentum).
Commando Jordovski
07-13-2005, 09:11 AM
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/401/protectingthemotherland2cp.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
My favourite soviet weapon, the mosan nagant.
Firefly
07-13-2005, 10:53 AM
This is my fave gun:
http://www.battlefield.ru/su152.html
lolastars
07-14-2005, 05:19 AM
am not to sure but wasnt the ppsh very inaccurate i always thought it just sprayed wildly so only good in close combat
i always likes the sniper verient of the SVT-40
Sturmtruppen
07-17-2005, 11:34 AM
welcome! (:
Commando Jordovski
07-18-2005, 04:51 AM
PPSH is regarded to be quite inaccurate unfortunatly, but good in close combat.
Hosenfield
07-29-2005, 05:33 PM
what is more accurate, the ppsh or the mp40?
South African Military
07-29-2005, 10:49 PM
what is more accurate, the ppsh or the mp40?
If i am not mistaken Mp40
Hanz Lutz
07-30-2005, 04:49 AM
Mp 40 and think so.
Man of Stoat
07-31-2005, 03:12 AM
I have an arsenal-refinished SVT-40 coming - just got to fill in all the import paperwork & clear it with an airline!!!
Jamminjustin
08-05-2005, 06:10 PM
Mosin Nagant is the best :D but out of date :(
Hosenfield
08-05-2005, 06:13 PM
favorite russian gun is the svt.
i simply don't think smgs are more useful then a semi-auto rifle in most situation.
T-34s_Are_Cool
08-06-2005, 04:45 AM
:D I like the DT-5 85mm Tank cannon :twisted:
Sturmtruppen
08-06-2005, 09:00 PM
:D I like the DT-5 85mm Tank cannon :twisted:
:D :D :twisted:
smackweasel
08-07-2005, 09:26 PM
i like the anti tank rifle, while it was certainly made obselete by the advancements by improved armour in tanks etc. but it still looked cool and that is very important!!!!!
Sturmtruppen
08-07-2005, 09:29 PM
i like the anti tank rifle, while it was certainly made obselete by the advancements by improved armour in tanks etc. but it still looked cool and that is very important!!!!!
hehe :) ,Welcome to the forum :D
Commando Jordovski
08-08-2005, 02:39 AM
Anti Tank rifles, they normally need to be set up and mounted, they are hell long guns 8) :lol: .
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/323/sovietantitankrifle8ly.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Soviet Anti Tank Rifle, set up camping for German Panzers.
Hosenfield
08-08-2005, 05:27 AM
imagine shooting someone with that...
anti-tank rifles were also used to kill enemy machinegunners that were holed up in houses. the bullet would go through the wall and kill the gunner.
the germans used captured A/T rifles to shoot through the armored shields of soviet maxim machineguns.
Commando Jordovski
08-08-2005, 05:38 AM
How much would that hurt though getting hit by an armour piercing bullet and surviving it. :shock: :o
How much would that hurt though getting hit by an armour piercing bullet and surviving it. :shock: :o
I don't know.
Why not start a poll on it ?
Siberian Rifleman
08-09-2005, 01:43 AM
I like the PTRD AT-Rifle !! :) Although I read in books that they weren't too accurate because of the poor quality bullets being made, nonetheless these weapons look sweet !! :)
Commando Jordovski
08-09-2005, 02:23 AM
How much would that hurt though getting hit by an armour piercing bullet and surviving it. :shock: :o
I don't know.
Why not start a poll on it ?
Your not serious are you, or you being sarcastic ...or maybe i should start asking members if they have ever been hit by a anti tank rifle shell and ask them what it felt like. :lol: :lol:
Siberian Rifleman
08-09-2005, 02:25 AM
LoL I think the person would be dead in a few seconds, if not less... These PTRD/PTRS bullets are HUGE. It would take your guts away before you realize it...
Commando Jordovski
08-09-2005, 02:28 AM
Of course :lol: , you wouldnt even feel the pain.
Hosenfield
08-09-2005, 02:30 AM
bullets of that caliber would start a virtual explostion in the body. severing limbs or creating massive chest cavities...
Siberian Rifleman
08-09-2005, 02:37 AM
bullets of that caliber would start a virtual explostion in the body. severing limbs or creating massive chest cavities...
Oh my :shock: And I thought my description of the result is graphic enough ... :P
Commando Jordovski
08-09-2005, 02:52 AM
bullets of that caliber would start a virtual explostion in the body. severing limbs or creating massive chest cavities...
Good point, an implosion of the body from that power would immediatly blow you metres away from yourself.
These bullet have been designed specially for piercing Heavy Tanks, not people.
Does anyone know if a anti tank rifle has ever been shot blank at a human being before?
Hosenfield
08-09-2005, 03:15 AM
of course, in somalia and iraq US snipers armed with a 50 caliber barrett sniping weapon have shot people with it. they say the bullet , if shot in the torso, splits the victim in half...
in ww2, german soldiers that were shot with teh 50 caliber machinegun experienced a similiar effect...
and allied troops that were shot with the 20mm.....
Commando Jordovski
08-09-2005, 03:25 AM
Yeah i was referring to ww2 not the recent Wars.
Why cant they just use normal sniper ammunition to take out enemies without using this deadly armour piercing bullet to rip your body apart, is it because they want to confirm defiantly that their target is down and not wounded?
Hosenfield
08-09-2005, 03:29 AM
well, when AT weapons are used against people, its mostly because the shot opportunity happens to be there more then anything else. either that, or the enemy soldier is hiding behind a barrier of some sort.
Siberian Rifleman
08-09-2005, 04:04 AM
Yeah i was referring to ww2 not the recent Wars.
Why cant they just use normal sniper ammunition to take out enemies without using this deadly armour piercing bullet to rip your body apart, is it because they want to confirm defiantly that their target is down and not wounded?
I think I can answer this one :) I read in texts that the PTRD/PTRS Anti-Tank Rifles are used to snipe enemy bunkers :) It goes straight through bunkers and barriers :)
bullets of that caliber would start a virtual explostion in the body. severing limbs or creating massive chest cavities...
of course, in somalia and iraq US snipers armed with a 50 caliber barrett sniping weapon have shot people with it. they say the bullet , if shot in the torso, splits the victim in half...
in ww2, german soldiers that were shot with teh 50 caliber machinegun experienced a similiar effect...
and allied troops that were shot with the 20mm.....
'They' say wrong then.
XXXX was murdered by a 50 BMG round from a Barrett rifle.
Thankfully his death was not in some gory Hollywood manner.
Think real world - not a PC shootemup game.
Edited to remove the person's name from public view.
Hosenfield
08-09-2005, 05:00 AM
first of all, i don't play shoot them ups. and, why are they wrong? I've read numerous mention of this.
first of all, i don't play shoot them ups. and, why are they wrong? I've read numerous mention of this.
The shootemups comment was not aimed at you particularly Hosenfield, just at GSW descriptions in general.
If you count a dead centre chest hit as a torso shot, as was the one that struck XXXX then that was one example of the rd not doing as previously suggested.
Those bodies I have seen of others struck by similar rds have not exhibited the aforementioned wound characteristics either.
Edited to remove the person's name from public view.
Hosenfield
08-09-2005, 05:28 AM
so, i assume that X didn't have a massive chest cavity?
Cuts, I'm assuming your talking about the XXXX in NI?
I believe that 50 cal kills pretty much instantly if it hits you - your body goes into massive shock pretty much straight away (as it was explained to me on my NI team medics course anyway).
There were a spate of sniper shootings with a 50 cal in the mid 1990s in NI - the IRA were spreading rumours that they had an ex-US Marine shooting for them, which I think were bollocks. I don't think anyone who was hit survived.
editted to get rid of the direct reference to 'xxxx'
Commando Jordovski
08-10-2005, 02:19 AM
Some Soviet Weapons- most are world war two era, but some are a bit after that.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6116/933tokarev0yr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
1933 Tokarev
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/9813/degtyarevdpm7vr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Degtyarev DPM
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6510/rpg293th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
RPG-29
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2632/spp1underwaterpistol5wv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
SPP-1 Underwater
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1674/svugasoperatredsemiautomatic8f.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
SVU-gas operated Semi-automatic
Hanz Lutz
08-10-2005, 02:16 PM
Yeah i was referring to ww2 not the recent Wars.
Why cant they just use normal sniper ammunition to take out enemies without using this deadly armour piercing bullet to rip your body apart, is it because they want to confirm defiantly that their target is down and not wounded?
True when 7.62 get you in head they blow up her,who can survive that .
Gutkowski
12-16-2005, 10:00 PM
Now I would have to say My Laminated 91/30 Its a 1943r Izhevsk 95% blue electro pencil matched
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/DSCF0740.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/DSCF0739.jpg
Off-topic: Gutkowski, sorry to bother you :D . I'm dying to know why you display all your guns - for taking pictures - in your kitchen?
Gutkowski
12-17-2005, 09:40 AM
LOL Its the only place that has good light ,we have those curly q light bulbs the ones that are suppose to save you money ,and they put out real crappy light
T-34s_Are_Cool
04-14-2006, 12:56 PM
Now I would have to say My Laminated 91/30 Its a 1943r Izhevsk 95% blue electro pencil matched
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/DSCF0740.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/gutkowski/DSCF0739.jpg
holy crap :shock: thats a nice rifle dad used to have an m1 garand and a lee enfeild but he got rid of them ages ago (bastard) :D
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