Suicide attack

[FW-190 Pilot]

japanese planes would send to crash on carrier to immobilize it, usually the plane would look for elevator to crash on so planes cannot be lifted to the runway. well, i have a better idea, every time the japanese send out planes for mission like that, they onlly send one per one warship, what if they send 5 per battleship, it might actually sunk some of the battleship or even carrier, or maybe have planes to escort bombers, and use bombers to crash on warship and after that, the escort plane can sarafice themselves too

[RighteousDuncan]

The problem is that a lot of the suicide planes disintegrated due to AA fire before they even reached the ships.

[FW-190 Pilot]

The problem is that a lot of the suicide planes disintegrated due to AA fire before they even reached the ships.
maybe if they attacked in groups instead of one per warship, at least one of the aircraft might able to slip through the defense and boom!
but instead of asking raw pilot to do something like that, would that be possible to give them a crash course on bombing boats, so they might have some chance of returning and gain experience?

[Radooh]

I don't think you quite understand how much anti aircraft fire was pumped out of a single carrier. The entire sky would be filled with anti aircraft fire and the shells were "smart" and would explode when near the target.

There's a video clip of compiled history channel footage made by a guy named Nero111 that shows pacific air war in ww2 and kamikazes.

Click Here for the video (http://www.silvertriggers.com/stuff/ww2vlerk.avi)

And considering that carriers would travel in convoys, even if the kamikaze planes were to travel in groups (which they did) there would be much more anti aircraft guns than actual aircraft. Also planes on the carriers would be scrambled to intercept.

The one way that would be a somewhat effective kamikaze tactic was if the plane were to line themselves up with the deck of the carrier because the anti aircraft guns would have more difficulty aiming at that angle and then come from a high and fast angle. But because the ships would travel in convoys the chance of the plane surviving would be low due to the fact that there would be another carrier with more aa guns aiming directly at the plane. And if the plane was to say a zero, it probably wouldn't be able to sustain a steep dive from a high altitude before the speed broke its wings off.

[FW-190 Pilot]

you are right, i dont really understand it, thanks for explaining it, no sarcastic involved :P
but how can bullets be smart? i dont follow how it works? thanks for explaining that in advance too

[Gen. Sandworm]

One of the main problems when a kamakazi hit an american aircraft carrier is that the deck was made of wood as opposed to the metal/concrete decks of the British carriers. The Americans used wood to help with mass production. They never really anticpated the Japanese would use such a tactic. After the employment of this tactic started all you could do was load the carriers with more and more AA guns. And support them with more escorts.

[Radooh]

you are right, i dont really understand it, thanks for explaining it, no sarcastic involved :P
but how can bullets be smart? i dont follow how it works? thanks for explaining that in advance too

The aa bullets were "smart" because instead of exploding at a certain distance or time they would explode when they detected an aircraft near it. So the aa shell would go flying, it would reach a plane and explode. This would throw shrapnel from the exterior of the shell at the plane and the shrapnel could go into the cockpit, the fuel tank, the engine...etc. Made it effective against planes.

[FW-190 Pilot]

you are right, i dont really understand it, thanks for explaining it, no sarcastic involved :P
but how can bullets be smart? i dont follow how it works? thanks for explaining that in advance too

The aa bullets were "smart" because instead of exploding at a certain distance or time they would explode when they detected an aircraft near it. So the aa shell would go flying, it would reach a plane and explode. This would throw shrapnel from the exterior of the shell at the plane and the shrapnel could go into the cockpit, the fuel tank, the engine...etc. Made it effective against planes.
yup, i know that when you first explain it, the thing i wanna know is what gives the bullet the ability to detect aircraft near by it? thanks for explaining again

[Radooh]

I don't know how the shell detected the aircraft for sure but I think I heard somewhere it had something to do with the shell getting in the aircraft's magnetic range and the magnet would sense the aircraft and explode but I'm not sure on that.

If you really want to know, you can google it ;)

[South African Military]

I don't know how the shell detected the aircraft for sure but I think I heard somewhere it had something to do with the shell getting in the aircraft's magnetic range and the magnet would sense the aircraft and explode but I'm not sure on that.

If you really want to know, you can google it ;)

That makes sense, I guess their are alot of magnetic stuff in planes. It just has to be stronger that the earths magnetic field.

[BDL]

How proximity fuses work:

here (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq96-1.htm)

[pdf27]

One of the main problems when a kamakazi hit an american aircraft carrier is that the deck was made of wood as opposed to the metal/concrete decks of the British carriers. The Americans used wood to help with mass production. They never really anticpated the Japanese would use such a tactic. After the employment of this tactic started all you could do was load the carriers with more and more AA guns. And support them with more escorts.
Yet despite this the US lost very few carriers to Kamikaze attacks (the USS Franklin is about the only one I'm aware of), and the wooden decks were relatively easy to repair. Every single one of the British armoured carriers that were hit at some point had to be scrapped as constructive total losses after the war due to cumulative damage. The same was not true for the US carriers.

Oh, and proximity fuses effectively had a baby radar set in the nose. BDL's link is a rather good explanation of how they work and were developed.

[Firefly]

First, most of the stuff the AA threw up from carriers was pure AA. proximity fuses down to 20mm werent that common.

2nd, there were something in the region of 3-4000 Kamikaze. Most of them attacked the outer screen of the task force which was 10-20 miles from the carriers.

The carriers using radar also set up CAP in the areas the kamikazes were coming from. These shot down a lot.

It is true that british carriers having a metal deck suffered a lot less. Simply pushing off wrecks that attacked. Still, the US carriers were more numerous and carried more aircraft and no-one could have forseen the kamikaze.

[reiver]

I remember reading about this variant on the kamikaze many years ago.
Most of the pilots of the "okha" were around 16 years old, middle class and well educated.
The Japanese symbolism seems to have been part of the appeal to these boys; the kamikaze, or divine wind had been the name given to the storms which wrecked the fleet poised to invade Japan in the 13th Century.
Okha, as the text explains, means cherry blossom, a longtime symbol of the combination of beauty and brevity of life.

"The pilots of the Cherry Blossom Squadrons trained to guide ohka rocket-powered glider bombs into American ships in the last year of World War II. Ohka means "cherry blossom" in Japanese, and each ohka weapon had a cherry blossom painted on each side of its nose, which contained 2,800 pounds of explosives. The mother planes, Mitsubishi Type 1 (Betty) bombers, carried one ohka each to within a few miles of a target before being released, and Zero fighters served as escorts to protect the mother planes. American fighters destroyed most of the mother planes before the ohka weapons could be released, so the rocket-propelled human bombs inflicted little damage on American ships near Okinawa. Over 50 ohka pilots and about 320 pilots and crewmen of the mother planes lost their lives during the war"

A tragic waste of young life to no purpose.

http://wgordon.web.wesleyan.edu/kamikaze/books/general/hagoromo/

[Tubbyboy]

The problem is that a lot of the suicide planes disintegrated due to AA fire before they even reached the ships.
maybe if they attacked in groups instead of one per warship, at least one of the aircraft might able to slip through the defense and boom!
but instead of asking raw pilot to do something like that, would that be possible to give them a crash course on bombing boats, so they might have some chance of returning and gain experience?

Fecking brilliant FW-190! Even unintentionally :D

[Ale]

A is for Arsehole

[Bluffcove]

BBBBBBBB - is for Bullshot ( a mispelling of bullshit amongst the mentally retarded) and Blather (a word I invented that was stolen by a complete Wonker)

[Ale]

C is for Cnut.

[Bluffcove]

D is for Doofus

[Ale]

E is for Elephantitus

[Sturmtruppen]

that shows us what is the use of advanced english speakers.

[Ale]

Whats F for Erwin, or aren't you going to play too?

You can do it in spanish if you like! :lol:

[Bluffcove]

F is for "freaking guano batman"

[Ale]

G is for Geek

[Sturmtruppen]

:lol: :lol: .

I means i fu*/{´ your sister.

that´s good for starting?.

me fui a tomar una fuckin´ serveza,son todos los a-*holes que les agradezco las muchas cagadas q por mi se han mandado.

[Bluffcove]

H is for hunk of burning love

[Ale]

I is for Idiot

[Sturmtruppen]

s is 4 im sick of bullshit

[Bluffcove]

J is for Jingoism rulles OK

[Sturmtruppen]

S means sexually retarded ,not in my case 8)

[Ale]

K is for.......Kebab? :?

Erwin, this is not what you think it is, just a giggle! Calm down! Anyway, S doesn't come up for ages. :lol:

[Sturmtruppen]

K is for.......Kebab? :?

Erwin, this is not what you think it is, just a giggle! Calm down! Anyway, S doesn't come up for ages. :lol:

ok,sorry mum.

kebab :lol: (!)

[Bluffcove]

L is for lesbianpost.com

[Ale]

Erwin, don't tell me you don't get Kebabs in Argentina?? :shock:

They are the food of the (drunken) gods! If you ever come to the UK I'll take you out on the beers and you can try one afterwards. They are fantastic. :P

Sorry mum??? you've lost me!

[Sturmtruppen]

Erwin, don't tell me you don't get Kebabs in Argentina?? :shock:

They are the food of the (drunken) gods! If you ever come to the UK I'll take you out on the beers and you can try one afterwards. They are fantastic. :P

ok,i must visit take one of them.


Sorry mum??? you've lost me!

:cry: i don´t want to lose you :cry: .

right now dringking a quilmes :lol:

[Bluffcove]

quilmes in litre bottles with the blue labels and if you take them back to the shop they give you money!!!! Love it!


M is for Mexico

[Sturmtruppen]

quilmes in litre bottles with the blue labels and if you take them back to the shop they give you money!!!! Love it!


M is for Mexico

:lol: :lol: .M for msn messenger.

you know my msn bluffcove,can you add me,btw,ale,you too.

[Ale]

:cry: i don´t want to lose you :cry:

Thanks mate. :oops: :lol:

Basically, a kebab is meat cooked on a skewer, I believe a central asian/Turkish dish originally. In Britain it is generally used to describe a type known as the "Donor Kebab" (pronounced "Donna"). This is thin shavings of lamb meat cut off a joint cooking on a skewer and stuffed into a piece of pitta bread. It is generally served with salad, chillis, and either chilli or garlic sauce.

For some reason, it has become a traditional late night snack to be eaten on the way home from the pub.

[Sturmtruppen]

:cry: i don´t want to lose you :cry:

Thanks mate. :oops: :lol:

Basically, a kebab is meat cooked on a skewer, I believe a central asian/Turkish dish originally. In Britain it is generally used to describe a type known as the "Donor Kebab" (pronounced "Donna"). This is thin shavings of lamb meat cut off a joint cooking on a skewer and stuffed into a piece of pitta bread. It is generally served with salad, chillis, and either chilli or garlic sauce.

For some reason, it has become a traditional late night snack to be eaten on the way home from the pub.
oh yes!,i ate one of those,but i can´t recognize the name.i like them.

still wanting for adding my msn, JUSTASK@MYMSN.COM.AR

[Bluffcove]

also called a fallafel (sic) although this is differnet i can rarely remeber how, I know one of them hurts the morning after but can never rember which, bit of a pain in the arse really.

[Cuts]

.....

Basically, a kebab is meat cooked on a skewer, I believe a central asian/Turkish dish originally. In Britain it is generally used to describe a type known as the "Donor Kebab" (pronounced "Donna"). This is thin shavings of lamb meat cut off a joint cooking on a skewer and stuffed into a piece of pitta bread. It is generally served with salad, chillis, and either chilli or garlic sauce.

For some reason, it has become a traditional late night snack to be eaten on the way home from the pub.

Eaten ?

Dropped more like !
Or used to adorn the new shirt you've bought as the latest pulling kit.

[Sturmtruppen]

.....

Basically, a kebab is meat cooked on a skewer, I believe a central asian/Turkish dish originally. In Britain it is generally used to describe a type known as the "Donor Kebab" (pronounced "Donna"). This is thin shavings of lamb meat cut off a joint cooking on a skewer and stuffed into a piece of pitta bread. It is generally served with salad, chillis, and either chilli or garlic sauce.

For some reason, it has become a traditional late night snack to be eaten on the way home from the pub.

Eaten ?

Dropped more like !
Or used to adorn the new shirt you've bought as the latest pulling kit.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[student-scaley]

N is for nob

[Ale]

O is for Obtuse

[LargeBrew]

F is for fist as a part thats me 0515 ta ta

[Sturmtruppen]

Q is for quilmes

[Sturmtruppen]

O is for out of topic :lol:

[Tubbyboy]

O is for out of topic :lol:

Oooooh get her! Someone has become very serious now that they are a mod!

P is for PRIAPICMAN

[Crab_to_be]

"R" is for "Resurrecting an off-topic thread that was dying with dignity!"

:P

[Sturmtruppen]

you can´t understand a joke man!, im still the same,im just going to care the topics under my moderation (only off topic now).

P is for poop

[Gen. Sandworm]

One of the main problems when a kamakazi hit an american aircraft carrier is that the deck was made of wood as opposed to the metal/concrete decks of the British carriers. The Americans used wood to help with mass production. They never really anticpated the Japanese would use such a tactic. After the employment of this tactic started all you could do was load the carriers with more and more AA guns. And support them with more escorts.
Yet despite this the US lost very few carriers to Kamikaze attacks (the USS Franklin is about the only one I'm aware of), and the wooden decks were relatively easy to repair. Every single one of the British armoured carriers that were hit at some point had to be scrapped as constructive total losses after the war due to cumulative damage. The same was not true for the US carriers.

Oh, and proximity fuses effectively had a baby radar set in the nose. BDL's link is a rather good explanation of how they work and were developed.

Ya know today i would say that the American Carriers are far better than anything the UK has. But back then they were about the same with maybe an edge to the UK carriers. A Kamakazi attack on either was pretty effective. But come on wood vs concrete. I understand what you are saying but wood + fire = bad.

Although on the other hand if you have ever seen the fire on the USS Forestal ........... metal/concrete can become pretty bad too. Of course that was a bomb.

And S is for you guys are acting like you are on Seasame Street. :D

[Tubbyboy]

you can´t understand a joke man!, im still the same,im just going to care the topics under my moderation (only off topic now).

P is for poop

S is for sarcasm.

[Sturmtruppen]

you can´t understand a joke man!, im still the same,im just going to care the topics under my moderation (only off topic now).

P is for poop

S is for sarcasm.

O is for obvious

[FW-190 Pilot]

G is for go back to topic :lol:

[tf58]

[quote="pdf27"]
Yet despite this the US lost very few carriers to Kamikaze attacks (the USS Franklin is about the only one I'm aware of)
The Franklin CV13 was devastated on 19 March 1945 by a low flying dive bomber, dropping two 500lb. bombs while making a pass from bow to stern, this pilot DID NOT crash his plane into the ship. 724 dead 265 wounded sailors. Previously, 30 October 1944 A Kamikaze did strike the ship killing 56 and wounding 60. The highest toll the Kamikazis inflicted in one attack on a US ship was almost 400 dead on the Bunker Hill CV17 11May 1945 Two aircraft struck the ship within 30 seconds of each other with similiar fires to the Franklin. Gassed and armed planes on the flight deck as well as in the hanger deck were exploding and burning. Not to minimize what the brave survivors of the Franklin went through but modern historians are getting fuzzy with the facts on these attacks. Both ships were eliminated from frontline duty for the rest of the war. My father witnessed the Franklin burning and exploding on the horizon and survived the fires and devastation while serving aboard the Bunker Hill.

[Commando Jordovski]

The japanese
Kamikazee attacks were powerful but blowing someone up so the enemy die is NUTS.

[Hanz Lutz]

That's true .

[Minimalistix]

i dont know if any1 has mentioned it yet but the Sumarai spirit was truly in the Japanese soldiers blood during ww2

[Hanz Lutz]

Samurai in japanese army can have rifle and sword ,and they been very honord and brave ,if they lose their honor samurai will do suicide.

[Minimalistix]

which WAS the case

when three midget submarines entered Sydney Harbour, one of them stopped functioning, and instead of waiting for the Australians to haul the midget subamrines up and saving them from the bottom of the harbour, they all commited suicide shooting themselves

you have to respect that kind of bravery (its a bit like Spartan spirit)

[Commando Jordovski]

They were probably frightened we aussies were gonna catch em and throw them straight on a Barbie (BBQ), or feed them to the Crocs. :lol: :lol:

[Firefly]

which WAS the case

when three midget submarines entered Sydney Harbour, one of them stopped functioning, and instead of waiting for the Australians to haul the midget subamrines up and saving them from the bottom of the harbour, they all commited suicide shooting themselves

you have to respect that kind of bravery (its a bit like Spartan spirit)

Yes its called stupidity.

[Hosenfield]

most of time, japanese bravey made them simply just easier to kill. in thepacific island battles, the japanese often attacked in unfavorable situtaions or launched suicidal banzi charges which firing bars from cover could take care of.

i beleive their officer's didn't even carry a proper weapon, they had that puny nambu pistol and a short sword.

[Hanz Lutz]

japanese officers stand up and say CHARGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and all soldiers run on mg's. :lol: :lol:

[Man of Stoat]

japanese officers stand up and say CHARGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and all soldiers run on mg's. :lol: :lol:

I think you'll find that the call was "BANZAI!".

Interestingly (to try to bring something to this thread), instructions for the Americans fighting the Japanese was to shoot the guy with the sword first, for several reasons:

1. He's the officer. Kill him, they lose their leader, planner, and main driving force.
2. The katana was much under-rated as a weapon - officers armed with swords would do a disproportionate amount of damage against soldiers armed with bayonets, E-tools and rifle butts in hand-to-hand fighting. People found this out to their cost, thinking it was some medieval throwback which had no place on a modern battlefield.

[Hanz Lutz]

what ever you say :roll:

[Man of Stoat]

what ever you say :roll:

Sorry, forgot to add a ;) after BANZAI!

[Walther]

japanese officers stand up and say CHARGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and all soldiers run on mg's. :lol: :lol:

I think you'll find that the call was "BANZAI!".

Interestingly (to try to bring something to this thread), instructions for the Americans fighting the Japanese was to shoot the guy with the sword first, for several reasons:

1. He's the officer. Kill him, they lose their leader, planner, and main driving force.
2. The katana was much under-rated as a weapon - officers armed with swords would do a disproportionate amount of damage against soldiers armed with bayonets, E-tools and rifle butts in hand-to-hand fighting. People found this out to their cost, thinking it was some medieval throwback which had no place on a modern battlefield.

I have dabbled in Kendo for a while while I was in university. During this time I have seen my teacher (who was the at this time European champion) fight the at this time German champion in a contest. If they would have been using real, sharp swords instead of bamboo shinais, the fight would have been over very fast. First they circled each other for a few minutes, trying feints, then one of them accidentally gave himself an opening, which the other one used imediately, in a real fight the attacked person would have been out of combat, either by having his head split or chopped off, or his hand chopped or or his stomach sliced open.

A Katana in the hands of somebody who really knows to use it at close range is a devastating weapon.

Jan

Edit for typos

[1000ydstare]

Swords aside,

the reason why the nips took to the kamikaze attacks was simple.

The chances of returning from a bombing run were so minimal anyway that in order to enhance the chances of actually doing any damage they had to crash the aircraft in to the ships.

The yank aircraft carriers suffered a lot more than the British for the very reason that they had wooden flight decks. The Brit carriers had wooden covered metal decks. It wasn't quite a case of shove the wreckage over the side and crack on, as obviously the wooden deck had to be replaced.

But little damage was done.

And we did get them back in spades with little boy and fat man.

[Hosenfield]

first of all,the term "nips" is faintly racist. second of all, ill rather shoot katana-bearing officer with a colt then try to fight him with a shovel:)

[Tubbyboy]

first of all,the term "nips" is faintly racist. second of all, ill rather shoot katana-bearing officer with a colt then try to fight him with a shovel:)

No, "nip" is short for Nipponese (aka Japanese). It is about as racist as calling someone a Brit or an Argie. Wind your neck in mate.

I apologise for my brief venture into the top half of the site, it won't happen again....

[1000ydstare]

Yeah hosemonster, don't know you anything?

Nip is the same as Jap.

Pillock.

Also why do you use a Nazi avatar?

Do you in someway respect them? Only ask because I am interested in why you choose your symbols. Most Brits on this site have chosen a avatar to match their country. Why would you choice a evil regime?

[Hosenfield]

Yeah hosemonster, don't know you anything?

Nip is the same as Jap.

Pillock.

Also why do you use a Nazi avatar?

Do you in someway respect them? Only ask because I am interested in why you choose your symbols. Most Brits on this site have chosen a avatar to match their country. Why would you choice a evil regime?

well, in the US, nip is considered a racist term. "nip the nips" was a racist american propoganda cartoon during world war 2. and i don't need to wind up, mate.

yes, i do know alot. a lot more then you.

and trollface, i am german by blood. and this fellow drinking his fake coffee is probably really hating his job.

[Sturmtruppen]

he likes the german army,he has german blood,gen sandworm did the same!,and fw did the same,and they aren´t nazis (btw,they are our dear admin :P )

[Commando Jordovski]

It wasn't just Japanese Suicide planes and trucks that demorilised the Americans, the Japanese also had suicide Submarines, By late 1944, the war situation had deteriorated for Japan to the point where extraordinary measures were seen as offering the only way out of an increasingly grim military predicament, so they decided to use suicide kaiten special attack submarines, :twisted: , anyway, they used a standard Type-93 24" torpedo.

The 'normal' attack method (if one can call it that) :lol: was for a mother sub carrying from 4-6 kaitens to approach the target area, locate the target vessels, and then release her kaitens to attack at a range of between 6-7000 meters.

[Hosenfield]

it wasn't just the japanese that did suicide attacks. the germans created a modified v-1 missle that could be steered by the pilot. moments before the missle hit the heavy bomber, the pilot would press teh energency ejection switch and jump out. of course, ejecting is a bit hard to do...

anyway, hitler expressed dislike of this technology and it didn't go far. "suicdie is not the german character or something like that" there was one unit made of a couple dozen volunteers. their goal was to drive the missle into formations of heavy bombers.

however, it wasn't too much of a success as many missles missed...

[1000ydstare]

Yeah, although, I'm not sure about the V-1, part.

It was a rocket powered aircraft, just trying to find it now!!, but was more similar to the ME-262 or the Komet type aircraft.

The technical expertise and matierials just wouldn't have been there to fit a pilot/ejector seat to a V weapon, at this time in the war.

Hitler did indeed vito the idea. Which shows, at that time, anyway he hadn't completely lost his marbles. Which he did only a few months later, in his spectacular Fuhrer style.

With regards to the japs,

(I would like to point out that Nip in Great Britian is not classed as an insult, I appreciate however that the Yank culture/language has differed from the mother tongue slightly. After all you call a backside a fanny, we use fanny for a totally different body part!!!)

They had all manner of suicide attack platforms.

The aircraft as mentioned

Boats,

Subs both one and 3 man

Lunatics with explosive on the back.

In the end the whole nation were going Kamikaze!!!

Banzai cliff, and of course the Yamato grounding herself so that her guns could be used against ground targets, her crew flung in to battle as infantry.

This grounding of course signalled the end to the Battleship era. Yamatos sister ship had been hammered by aerial bombs from USN planes and sunk just like most other battle ships. The only way to keep her guns firing for very long was to ground her, so she couldn't sink.

[Fallschirmjager]

Kamikazes is not suicide in Japanese tradition. Kamikaze meaning "Divine Wind" was something Japanese people took honorably and it was not looked down apon like in other cultures. Some Japanese high commanders commited the ancient ritual of seppuku, sometimes harakiki where they take their katanas and plunged the blade into their abdomin.

[Ryan]

I don't know how the shell detected the aircraft for sure but I think I heard somewhere it had something to do with the shell getting in the aircraft's magnetic range and the magnet would sense the aircraft and explode but I'm not sure on that.

If you really want to know, you can google it ;)
i think i might just do that:P

[Panzerknacker]

A esquematic about the "Baka" (Okha)

http://i2.tinypic.com/swz2w0.jpg

[FW-190 Pilot]

well, in the late stage of the war, Germany expect young scout to have basic trainning of glider and then expect them to pilot a jet to fight against allied fighter, now that is suicide attack.

[Panzerknacker]

Maybe, but it was not the degenerated order of no return like the japanese did.

[Jim]

u no that a small Japanses battle ships and a squadron of fighters\bombers could carry out the suicidal as the AA guns are hit by the battleship the planes carry out there job

[Digger]

G'day,

Difficulty to penetrate the defence of US fleets was a common factor which faced every Kamikaze attack.

Invariably an incoming attack would be detected by the picket screen, then the raiders would have to penetrate the hordes of carrier borne fighters. All this before reaching the target. Once the enemy fleet was sighted, then the mission became harder.

It was just not the carriers with heavy AA, it was the destroyer and cruiser screen, some of which were specialist AA vessels, then you came to the battlewagons with the heaviest concentration of AA. Some older battlewagons had been converted specifically to the task of AA protection.

Any kamikaze that got through this was extremely lucky.

Regards to all,
Digger.

[Cuts]

Any kamikaze that got through this was extremely lucky.

After which he could get very unlucky - or lucky - it depends on one's point of view. :D

[Digger]

G'day,

I didn't realize I had made :shock: a joke. Thanks for pointing it out Cuts, I'll try to do better next time.:mrgreen:

Regards to all,
Digger.