Outstanding Soldiers of WW2

[Gen. Sandworm]

Thought it might be nice to have a forum on some of the Outstanding Soldiers of WW2. Please feel free to post any that you know.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Jan 26, 1945 Audie Murphy wounded


On this day, the most decorated man of the war, American Lt. Audie Murphy, is wounded in France.

Born the son of Texas sharecroppers on June 20, 1924, Murphy served three years of active duty, beginning as a private, rising to the rank of staff sergeant, and finally winning a battlefield commission to 2nd lieutenant. He was wounded three times, fought in nine major campaigns across Europe, and was credited with killing 241 Germans. He won 37 medals and decorations, including the Distinguished Service Cross, the Silver Star (with oak leaf cluster), the Legion of Merit, and the Croix de Guerre (with palm).

The battle that won Murphy the Medal of Honor, and which ended his active duty, occurred during the last stages of the Allied victory over the Germans in France. Murphy

acted as cover for infantrymen during a last desperate German tank attack. Climbing atop an abandoned U.S. tank destroyer, he took control of its .50-caliber machine gun and killed 50 Germans, stopping the advance but suffering a leg wound in the process. (Later lead American counter-attack with leg wound!!!)

Upon returning to the States, Murphy was invited to Hollywood by Jimmy Cagney, who saw the war hero's picture on the cover of Life magazine. By 1950, Murphy won an acting contract with Universal Pictures. In his most famous role, he played himself in the monumentally successful To Hell and Back.

Perhaps as interesting as his film career was his public admission that he suffered severe depression from post traumatic stress syndrome, also called battle fatigue, and became addicted to sleeping pills as a result. This had long been a taboo subject for veterans. Murphy died in a plane crash while on a business trip in 1971. He was 46.

This info comes from: http://www.historychannel.com/tdih/tdih.jsp?month=10272953&day=10272991&cat=10272951

[Gen. Sandworm]

Michael Wittman

Perhaps the most famous Tiger battle occurred at Villers Bocage under the command of world war 2 top tank ace, SS-Obersturmführer Michael Wittman. An entire column of 25 tanks, 14 half-tracks and 14 bren-gun carriers were destroyed in a single engagement. Decorated with the prestigious Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords, it was the second highest decoration awarded by the German armed forces for valor in combat. Michael Wittman was the most decorated tanker of world war 2 and had destroyed 138 allied tanks and 132 anti-tank guns during his career. Michael Wittman's death was a bit of a mystery. Some say he was ambushed and shot to pieces by
allied tanks whereas there were indications that his tank was blown up by a rocket fired by an allied aircraft.

This info comes from: http://www.worldwar2aces.com/tiger-tank/

[Dragkon]

Best pilots:
russia Kozhedub I.N - 62
german Hartman Erich -352
(from http://www.deol.ru/manclub/war/topten.htm)

submarine captains:
russia Marinesko - 42507 tonns
german Krechman - 266629 tonns
(http://www.deol.ru/manclub/war/morrek.htm)

tanks:
russia Lavrinenko (T-34) - 52 (16 of them - in 4 days, 7 - in one fight, died in november 1941 - what do you think 52 tanks - in 5 moths!)
german - you know
(http://www.deol.ru/manclub/war/acestank.htm)

(the sites are in russian)

[Dragkon]

And what about other countries? Does anyone has any information? I have seen somewhere that best pilots of Finland and Japan had about 90 victories, and best English and US - 30-40. Can anyone tell why?

[Gen. Sandworm]

And what about other countries? Does anyone has any information? I have seen somewhere that best pilots of Finland and Japan had about 90 victories, and best English and US - 30-40. Can anyone tell why?

Hopefully as more people join from other countries they will know more. I just happend to post 2 that i came across but if i find any others I will be sure to post them.

Not sure about your question. I could guess if there was a Finnish pilot that had 90 victories you could explain this ........1 he was probably really good....... 2 US and UK had much more pilots than Finland so kind of thins out the number of victories. Japan.......I really kind of doubt that. The US pilots pretty much "owned" the Japanese later in the war.

[South African Military]

The best fighter ace of America and the U.K. was a South African YAY! LOL :D

[Dragkon]

about fins - at the bigining they had better plains - Me -109 and russian - I-16. Impossible to compare. And they were good pilots of couse.

[Gen. Sandworm]

The best fighter ace of America and the U.K. was a South African YAY! LOL :D

Do you have any info on this person???

[Gen. Sandworm]

Joseph Beyrle is believed to be the only soldier to have fought for both the United States and the former Soviet Union during World War II.

His son, John Beyrle, who is U.S. Deputy Ambassador to Russia, has told the Russian weekly AiF that Mr. Beyrle was among the first paratroopers to land in Normandy, France, as part of the 101st Airborne Division's 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment. The Germans captured him shortly after he landed. He escaped from a POW camp in Poland and joined a Soviet tank unit headed for Berlin. He fought alongside the Soviets for three weeks or so, and they called him "Joe." After the war, he tried to reestablish contact with anyone of his former comrades-in-arms, but to no avail. Neither was he able to find out the number of the tank unit in which he had served. The only thing he knew for certain was that this unit had been part of the Sixth Guards Regiment, fighting on the First Belarus Front.

Mr Beyrle never made it to Berlin. He got wounded in the leg along the way, and had to be hospitalized. Luckily, the wound was not too serious, and doctors decided he could do without amputation. While he was staying in the hospital, Marshal Georgy Zhukov came over for a visit. After the American recounted his Odyssey, the Soviet marshal furnished him with papers so that he could get to Moscow without being detained by security forces on his way.

Officials at the U.S. Embassy met their fellow countryman with circumspection. According to information provided for them by the Pentagon, he was officially registered as killed in action on June 10, 1944. Yet, against all odds, he made it back to New York on May 8, 1945. And in his home town, in the state of Michigan, it took folks some time to believe his return wasn't just a happy dream.

Mr. Beyrle lived to an advanced age. He died last December.

Even in the murkiest years of the Cold War era, the man thought of the Soviet Union with warm feelings only. He said he would never forget the kindness and compassion with which people down there had treated him.

This info comes from http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89241

[HEINRICI]

And what about other countries? Does anyone has any information? I have seen somewhere that best pilots of Finland and Japan had about 90 victories, and best English and US - 30-40. Can anyone tell why?
Axis pilots were required in most cases to 'fly until you die', instead of
being rotated back home after a certain number of missions, like the Americans and British. American aces then trained new pilots, while upcoming Axis pilots were lucky if they got any more than a few familiarisation flights in their fighters. A few survived being 'thrown to the wolves', but 95% didn't. Wrong system for developing a large force of good pilots.

[South African Military]

And what about other countries? Does anyone has any information? I have seen somewhere that best pilots of Finland and Japan had about 90 victories, and best English and US - 30-40. Can anyone tell why?
Axis pilots were required in most cases to 'fly until you die', instead of
being rotated back home after a certain number of missions, like the Americans and British. American aces then trained new pilots, while upcoming Axis pilots were lucky if they got any more than a few familiarisation flights in their fighters. A few survived being 'thrown to the wolves', but 95% didn't. Wrong system for developing a large force of good pilots.

No wonder why the Germans have such a high number of enemy planes down per person.

[Dragkon]

As I know, german pilots, who had "Iron cross" (All best pilots) could count a victory if he and an other pilot with "Cross" would report of it, and russian pilots words had to be proved by foto or information from land. And if the plain was taken down by a group - germans "wrote" it to all members of the group, and russian - only to one, or to noone at all.

[South African Military]

As I know, german pilots, who had "Iron cross" (All best pilots) could count a victory if he and an other pilot with "Cross" would report of it, and russian pilots words had to be proved by foto or information from land. And if the plain was taken down by a group - germans "wrote" it to all members of the group, and russian - only to one, or to noone at all.

Ah, so you are saying that the German statistics might not be 100% correct.

[Dragkon]

Yes. I've read that SOME of German statisticks are incorrect, but NOT ALL. All depends on how to count, and what to understnd as an air victory.

[shootist]

Charles Upham. One of only three men ever to win the VC and bar, and the only combatant to achieve this feat. Nothing more to add, is there!

[Bluffcove]

SIMO HAYHA - Finnish sniper known as the "White Death"
called up to fight in the winter war, from his profession as a farmer and woodsman,

Fought for only 90 days, due to being shot in the face with an exploding bullet - takes the will out of you, I should imagine.

In 90 days using only IRON sights, Mosin nagant rifles and a selective fire machine gun.
He killed an estimated 542 men at a range of up to over 500 yards.

90 days 542 men comes out at over 6 men a day for 3 months non stop.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Charles Upham. One of only three men ever to win the VC and bar, and the only combatant to achieve this feat. Nothing more to add, is there!

Yea what did he do to recieve it? Sailor, Solider, Pilot.........Batman maybe???? Nice it you could post a bit more info. :D

[SMLE]

Lt. Col. Robert Blair (Paddy) Mayne, DSO (and 3 bars), Croix de Guerre, Legion d'honneur.

An outstanding soldier, served in the SAS during the desert campaign and then into Europe. He is reputed to have knifed 17 German sentries to death in one night during a raid on an airfield. Read "Rogue Warrior of the SAS" by Martin Dillon for an insight into his life and career.

[IRONMAN]

This amazing soldier assulted numerous enemies and made the day:

DUNHAM, RUSSELL E. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Technical Sergeant, U.S. Army, Company I, 30th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Kayserberg, France, 8 January 1945. Entered service at: Brighton Ill. Born: 23 February 1920, East Carondelet, Ill. G.O. No.: 37, 11 May 1945. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty.

At about 1430 hours on 8 January 1945, during an attack on Hill 616, near Kayserberg, France, T/Sgt. Dunham single-handedly assaulted 3 enemy machineguns. Wearing a white robe made of a mattress cover, carrying 12 carbine magazines and with a dozen hand grenades snagged in his belt, suspenders, and buttonholes, T/Sgt. Dunham advanced in the attack up a snow-covered hill under fire from 2 machineguns and supporting riflemen. His platoon 35 yards behind him, T/Sgt. Dunham crawled 75 yards under heavy direct fire toward the timbered emplacement shielding the left machinegun. As he jumped to his feet 10 yards from the gun and charged forward, machinegun fire tore through his camouflage robe and a rifle bullet seared a 10-inch gash across his back sending him spinning 15 yards down hill into the snow. When the indomitable sergeant sprang to his feet to renew his 1-man assault, a German egg grenade landed beside him. He kicked it aside, and as it exploded 5 yards away, shot and killed the German machinegunner and assistant gunner. His carbine empty, he jumped into the emplacement and hauled out the third member of the gun crew by the collar. Although his back wound was causing him excruciating pain and blood was seeping through his white coat, T/Sgt. Dunham proceeded 50 yards through a storm of automatic and rifle fire to attack the second machinegun. Twenty-five yards from the emplacement he hurled 2 grenades, destroying the gun and its crew; then fired down into the supporting foxholes with his carbine dispatching and dispersing the enemy riflemen. Although his coat was so thoroughly blood-soaked that he was a conspicuous target against the white landscape, T/Sgt. Dunham again advanced ahead of his platoon in an assault on enemy positions farther up the hill. Coming under machinegun fire from 65 yards to his front, while rifle grenades exploded 10 yards from his position, he hit the ground and crawled forward. At 15 yards range, he jumped to his feet, staggered a few paces toward the timbered machinegun emplacement and killed the crew with hand grenades. An enemy rifleman fired at pointblank range, but missed him. After killing the rifleman, T/Sgt. Dunham drove others from their foxholes with grenades and carbine fire. Killing 9 Germans--wounding 7 and capturing 2--firing about 175 rounds of carbine ammunition, and expending 11 grenades, T/Sgt. Dunham, despite a painful wound, spearheaded a spectacular and successful diversionary attack.

[reiver]

Charles Upham. One of only three men ever to win the VC and bar, and the only combatant to achieve this feat. Nothing more to add, is there!

Yea what did he do to recieve it? Sailor, Solider, Pilot.........Batman maybe???? Nice it you could post a bit more info. :D

Born in Christchurch, New Zealand, in 1908 Upham was educated at Christ’s College and Canterbury Agricultural College at Lincoln. Prior to the war he was a farm manager and then farm valuer before enlisting in the Second New Zealand Expeditionary Force (aged 30) in 1939, quietly citing his reason as a desire to fight for justice.

Courage and Resource

He was renowned for combining controlled courage with quick-thinking resourcefulness. While most medals for bravery are awarded for a single act, Upham’s first citation was for nine days of skill, leadership and evident heroism. In March 1941, he was a Second Lieutenant in the 20th NZ Battalion in Crete. His display of courage included destroying numerous enemy posts, rescuing a wounded man under fire and penetrating deep behind German lines, killing twenty-two German soldiers on the way to leading out an isolated platoon – all after being blown over by a mortar shell, painfully wounded in the shoulder by shrapnel and with a bullet in his foot.

The incident that typified Upham’s deeds was when two German soldiers trapped him alone on the fringes of an olive grove. Upham (on his way to warning other troops that they were being cut off) was watched by his platoon, a helpless distance away on the other side of the clearing, as he was fired on by the German soldiers. With any movement potentially fatal, he feigned dead and with calculated coolness waited for the enemy soldiers to approach. With one arm lame in a sling, he used the crook of a tree to support his rifle and shoot the first assailant, reload with one hand, and shoot the second who was so close as to fall against the barrel of Upham’s rifle.
Gallantry and Determination

Captain Upham's second citation was for his part in the July 1942 attack on Ruweisat Ridge, Egypt, where the New Zealand Division was stranded when promised armoured support never came through. As the Allied forces struggled to hold the line, Upham led his company on what was described as a savage attack on German and Italian strongpoints. Upham himself was responsible for destroying a German tank and several guns and vehicles with hand grenades and, though he was shot through the elbow with a machine gun bullet and had his arm shattered, he went on again to a forward position and brought back some of his men who had become isolated.

He was removed to the regimental aid post, but immediately after his wounds had been dressed he returned to his men. He consolidated and held his position and despite exhaustion, loss of blood and further injuries (as a result of artillery and mortar fire that decimated most of his company) he stayed with the only six remaining members until, now unable to move, he was eventually overrun by the superior weight of the enemy forces and captured.
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Typifying his character and nickname ‘Pug’, he attempted to escape numerous times before being branded "dangerous" by the Germans and incarcerated in the infamous prison fortress Colditz.

[pdf27]

The best fighter ace of America and the U.K. was a South African YAY! LOL :D
Do you have any info on this person???
I think he's referring to "Sailor" Malan (32 confirmed, 2 unconfirmed) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailor_Malan
He may also be referring to Marmaduke St John Pattle (51 victories, of which only 23 were ever confirmed due to the nature of the fighting he was involved in - the kills he scored in Greece were reconstructed from the memory of the survivors as he was unfortunately killed in action in April 1941 and the records were lost).

Officially, the leading RAF/Empire ace was Wing Commander J.E. Johnson (38 confirmed) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Johnson_(pilot)

[IRONMAN]

MONTGOMERY, JACK C. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Assult upon enemy positions.

Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, 45th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near, Padiglione, Italy, 22 February 1944. Entered service at: Sallisaw, Okla. Birth: Long, Okla. G.O. No.: 5, 15 January 1945.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty on 22 February 1944, near Padiglione, Italy.

Two hours before daybreak a strong force of enemy infantry established themselves in 3 echelons at 50 yards, 100 yards, and 300 yards, respectively, in front of the rifle platoons commanded by 1st Lt. Montgomery. The closest position, consisting of 4 machineguns and 1 mortar, threatened the immediate security of the platoon position. Seizing an Ml rifle and several hand grenades, 1st Lt. Montgomery crawled up a ditch to within hand grenade range of the enemy. Then climbing boldly onto a little mound, he fired his rifle and threw his grenades so accurately that he killed 8 of the enemy and captured the remaining 4. Returning to his platoon, he called for artillery fire on a house, in and around which he suspected that the majority of the enemy had entrenched themselves. Arming himself with a carbine, he proceeded along the shallow ditch, as withering fire from the riflemen and machinegunners in the second position was concentrated on him. He attacked this position with such fury that 7 of the enemy surrendered to him, and both machineguns were silenced. Three German dead were found in the vicinity later that morning. 1st Lt. Montgomery continued boldly toward the house, 300 yards from his platoon position. It was now daylight, and the enemy observation was excellent across the flat open terrain which led to 1st Lt. Montgomery's objective. When the artillery barrage had lifted, 1st Lt. Montgomery ran fearlessly toward the strongly defended position. As the enemy started streaming out of the house, 1st Lt. Montgomery, unafraid of treacherous snipers, exposed himself daringly to assemble the surrendering enemy and send them to the rear. His fearless, aggressive, and intrepid actions that morning, accounted for a total of 11 enemy dead, 32 prisoners, and an unknown number of wounded. That night, while aiding an adjacent unit to repulse a counterattack, he was struck by mortar fragments and seriously wounded. The selflessness and courage exhibited by 1st Lt. Montgomery in alone attacking 3 strong enemy positions inspired his men to a degree beyond estimation.

[Cuts]

While your last post was on topic, your selective emboldment of parts of the text seems to indicate that you're still harping on your sadly ineffective, disproven and badly researched theory that the M1/M2 is an assault rifle.

To keep this thread where it should be, and as I have now marked Man of Stoat's link as a watched topic I will be amused to read your comments there.

[Bluffcove]

I think the emboldened parts are part of a code or referencing system, to illustrate the bravery of the act!

for instance.

Assult (sic)Italy.
**
Arming himself with a carbine
**
He attacked this position with such fury that 7 of the enemy surrendered to him, and both machineguns were silenced.
**
His fearless, aggressive, and intrepid actions that morning, accounted for a total of 11 enemy dead, 32 prisoners, and an unknown number of wounded.
it would appear in the emboldened version that this man single-handedly assulted (sic) Italy,with a carbine and defeated 43 soldiers and two machine guns!

the most impressive part naturally being that he chose to do it with a pistol! :lol: :lol:

[Cuts]

I understand what you're saying Bluffcove, (and while not suggesting for one minute that you wouldn't,) any recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honour deserves respect.

I do however find that selective quotation, in a vain attempt to support a thin theory coming from a civilian, albeit in family with a member of a wonderful Corps, cheapens his actions.

Someone who earnt the CMH several times but never received it was Chesty Puller, the most decorated Marine in history.
(Tinwalt, ask your father.)

Lewis 'Chesty' Puller never receivecd the CMH for political reasons, but he was a man amongst men.

[IRONMAN]

There were many extraordinary soldiers in WWII. Here's another. He got a bunch of Japanese in close combat with a heated assult.

MAYFIELD, MELVIN - Medal of Honor Recipient

Assult on enemy positions

Rank and organization: Corporal, U.S. Army, Company D, 20th Infantry, 6th Infantry Division. Place and date: Cordillera Mountains, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 29 July 1945. Entered service at: Nashport, Ohio. Birth: Salem, W. Va. G.O. No.: 49, 31 May 1946.

Citation: He displayed conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty while fighting in the Cordillera Mountains of Luzon, Philippine Islands.

When 2 Filipino companies were pinned down under a torrent of enemy fire that converged on them from a circular ridge commanding their position, Cpl. Mayfield, in a gallant single-handed effort to aid them, rushed from shell hole to shell hole until he reached 4 enemy caves atop the barren fire-swept hill. With grenades and his carbine, he assaulted each of the caves while enemy fire pounded about him. However, before he annihilated the last hostile redoubt, a machinegun bullet destroyed his weapon and slashed his left hand. Disregarding his wound, he secured more grenades and dauntlessly charged again into the face of pointblank fire to help destroy a hostile observation post. By his gallant determination and heroic leadership, Cpl. Mayfield inspired the men to eliminate all remaining pockets of resistance in the area and to press the advance against the enemy.

[IRONMAN]

Another great soldier!

SILK, EDWARD A. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company E, 398th Infantry, 100th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near St. Pravel, France, 23 November 1944. Entered service at: Johnstown, Pa. Born: 8 June 1916, Johnstown, Pa. G.O. No.: 97, 1 November 1945. citation. 1st Lt. Edward A. Silk commanded the weapons platoon of Company E, 398th Infantry, on 23 November 1944, when the end battalion was assigned the mission of seizing high ground overlooking Moyenmoutier France, prior to an attack on the city itself.

His company jumped off in the lead at dawn and by noon had reached the edge of a woods in the vicinity of St. Pravel where scouts saw an enemy sentry standing guard before a farmhouse in a valley below. One squad, engaged in reconnoitering the area, was immediately pinned down by intense machinegun and automatic-weapons fire from within the house. Skillfully deploying his light machinegun section, 1st Lt. Silk answered enemy fire, but when 15 minutes had elapsed with no slackening of resistance, he decided to eliminate the strong point by a l-man attack. Running 100 yards across an open field to the shelter of a low stone wall directly in front of the farmhouse, he fired into the door and windows with his carbine; then, in full view of the enemy, vaulted the wall and dashed 50 yards through a hail of bullets to the left side of the house, where he hurled a grenade through a window, silencing a machinegun and killing 2 gunners. In attempting to move to the right side of the house he drew fire from a second machinegun emplaced in the woodshed. With magnificent courage he rushed this position in the face of direct fire and succeeded in neutralizing the weapon and killing the 2 gunners by throwing grenades into the structure. His supply of grenades was by now exhausted, but undaunted, he dashed back to the side of the farmhouse and began to throw rocks through a window, demanding the surrender of the remaining enemy. Twelve Germans, overcome by his relentless assault and confused by his unorthodox methods, gave up to the lone American. By his gallant willingness to assume the full burden of the attack and the intrepidity with which he carried out his extremely hazardous mission, 1st Lt. Silk enabled his battalion to continue its advance and seize its objective.

[IRONMAN]

*LUMMUS, JACK - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve. Born: 22 October 1915, Ennie, Tex. Appointed from: Texas.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as leader of a Rifle Platoon attached to the 2d Battalion, 27th Marines, 5th Marine Division, in action against enemy Japanese forces on Iwo Jima in the Volcano Islands, 8 March 1945.

Resuming his assault tactics with bold decision after fighting without respite for 2 days and nights, 1st Lt. Lummus slowly advanced his platoon against an enemy deeply entrenched in a network of mutually supporting positions. Suddenly halted by a terrific concentration of hostile fire, he unhesitatingly moved forward of his front lines in an effort to neutralize the Japanese position. Although knocked to the ground when an enemy grenade exploded close by, he immediately recovered himself and, again moving forward despite the intensified barrage, quickly located, attacked, and destroyed the occupied emplacement. Instantly taken under fire by the garrison of a supporting pillbox and further assailed by the slashing fury of hostile rifle fire, he fell under the impact of a second enemy grenade but, courageously disregarding painful shoulder wounds, staunchly continued his heroic 1-man assault and charged the second pillbox, annihilating all the occupants. Subsequently returning to his platoon position, he fearlessly traversed his lines under fire, encouraging his men to advance and directing the fire of supporting tanks against other stubbornly holding Japanese emplacements. Held up again by a devastating barrage, he again moved into the open, rushed a third heavily fortified installation and killed the defending troops. Determined to crush all resistance, he led his men indomitably, personally attacking foxholes and spider traps with his carbine and systematically reducing the fanatic opposition until, stepping on a land mine, he sustained fatal wounds. By his outstanding valor, skilled tactics, and tenacious perseverance in the face of overwhelming odds, 1st Lt. Lummus had inspired his stouthearted marines to continue the relentless drive northward, thereby contributing materially to the success of his regimental mission. His dauntless leadership and unwavering devotion to duty throughout sustain and enhance the highest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service. He gallantly gave his life in the service of his country.

[IRONMAN]

BEYER, ARTHUR O. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Corporal, U.S. Army, Company C, 603d Tank Destroyer Battalion. Place and date: Near Arloncourt, Belgium, 15 January 1945. Entered service at: St. Ansgar, Iowa. Born: 20 May 1909, Rock Township, Mitchell County, Iowa. G.O. No.: 73, 30 August 1945.

Citation: He displayed conspicuous gallantry in action. His platoon, in which he was a tank-destroyer gunner, was held up by antitank, machinegun, and rifle fire from enemy troops dug in along a ridge about 200 yards to the front.

Noting a machinegun position in this defense line, he fired upon it with his 76-mm. gun killing 1 man and silencing the weapon. He dismounted from his vehicle and, under direct enemy observation, crossed open ground to capture the 2 remaining members of the crew. Another machinegun, about 250 yards to the left, continued to fire on him. Through withering fire, he advanced on the position. Throwing a grenade into the emplacement, he killed 1 crewmember and again captured the 2 survivors. He was subjected to concentrated small-arms fire but, with great bravery, he worked his way a quarter mile along the ridge, attacking hostile soldiers in their foxholes with his carbine and grenades. When he had completed his self-imposed mission against powerful German forces, he had destroyed 2 machinegun positions, killed 8 of the enemy and captured 18 prisoners, including 2 bazooka teams. Cpl. Beyer's intrepid action and unflinching determination to close with and destroy the enemy eliminated the German defense line and enabled his task force to gain its objective.

[IRONMAN]

BLOCH, ORVILLE EMIL - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company E, 338th Infantry, 85th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Firenzuola, Italy, 22 September 1944. Entered service at: Streeter, N. Dak. Birth: Big Falls, Wis. G.O. No.: 9, 10 February 1945.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. 1st Lt. Bloch undertook the task of wiping out 5 enemy machinegun nests that had held up the advance in that particular sector for 1 day.

Gathering 3 volunteers from his platoon, the patrol snaked their way to a big rock, behind which a group of 3 buildings and 5 machinegun nests were located. Leaving the 3 men behind the rock, he attacked the first machinegun nest alone charging into furious automatic fire, kicking over the machinegun, and capturing the machinegun crew of 5. Pulling the pin from a grenade, he held it ready in his hand and dashed into the face of withering automatic fire toward this second enemy machinegun nest located at the corner of an adjacent building 15 yards distant. When within 20 feet of the machinegun he hurled the grenade, wounding the machinegunner, the other 2 members of the crew fleeing into a door of the house. Calling one of his volunteer group to accompany him, they advanced to the opposite end of the house, there contacting a machinegun crew of 5 running toward this house. 1st Lt Bloch and his men opened fire on the enemy crew, forcing them to abandon this machinegun and ammunition and flee into the same house. Without a moment's hesitation, 1st Lt. Bloch, unassisted, rushed through the door into a hail of small-arms fire, firing his carbine from the hip, and captured the 7 occupants, wounding 3 of them. 1st Lt. Bloch with his men then proceeded to a third house where they discovered an abandoned enemy machinegun and detected another enemy machinegun nest at the next corner of the building. The crew of 6 spotted 1st Lt. Bloch the instant he saw them. Without a moment's hesitation he dashed toward them. The enemy fired pistols wildly in his direction and vanished through a door of the house, 1st Lt. Bloch following them through the door, firing his carbine from the hip, wounding 2 of the enemy and capturing 6. Altogether 1st Lt. Bloch had single-handedly captured 19 prisoners, wounding 6 of them and eliminating a total of 5 enemy machinegun nests. His gallant and heroic actions saved his company many casualties and permitted them to continue the attack with new inspiration and vigor.

[IRONMAN]

BOLTON, CECIL H. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company E, 413th Infantry, 104th Infantry Division. Place and date: Mark River, Holland, 2 November 1944. Entered service at: Huntsville, Ala. Birth: Crawfordsville, Fla. G.O. No.: 74, 1 September 1945.

Citation: As leader of the weapons platoon of Company E, 413th Infantry, on the night of 2 November 1944, he fought gallantly in a pitched battle which followed the crossing of the Mark River in Holland.

When 2 machineguns pinned down his company, he tried to eliminate, with mortar fire, their grazing fire which was inflicting serious casualties and preventing the company's advance from an area rocked by artillery shelling. In the moonlight it was impossible for him to locate accurately the enemy's camouflaged positions; but he continued to direct fire until wounded severely in the legs and rendered unconscious by a German shell. When he recovered consciousness he instructed his unit and then crawled to the forward rifle platoon positions. Taking a two-man bazooka team on his voluntary mission, he advanced chest deep in chilling water along a canal toward 1 enemy machinegun. While the bazooka team covered him, he approached alone to within 15 yards of the hostile emplacement in a house. He charged the remaining distance and killed the 2 gunners with hand grenades. Returning to his men he led them through intense fire over open ground to assault the second German machinegun. An enemy sniper who tried to block the way was dispatched, and the trio pressed on. When discovered by the machinegun crew and subjected to direct fire, 1st Lt. Bolton killed 1 of the 3 gunners with carbine fire, and his 2 comrades shot the others. Continuing to disregard his wounds, he led the bazooka team toward an 88-mm. artillery piece which was having telling effect on the American ranks, and approached once more through icy canal water until he could dimly make out the gun's silhouette. Under his fire direction, the two soldiers knocked out the enemy weapon with rockets. On the way back to his own lines he was again wounded. To prevent his men being longer subjected to deadly fire, he refused aid and ordered them back to safety, painfully crawling after them until he reached his lines, where he collapsed. 1st Lt. Bolton's heroic assaults in the face of vicious fire, his inspiring leadership, and continued aggressiveness even through suffering from serious wounds, contributed in large measure to overcoming strong enemy resistance and made it possible for his battalion to reach its objective.

[Bluffcove]

before you list every winner of every CMH ever, Please can you stop dicking about with fonts!

if you want to make a point, make it, otherwise it is jsut getting stupid.
We know you think that the carbine was an asault rifle, we know it isnt, showing that it ws used successfully in an assault does not make it one.

A dog born in a stable is not a horse.

If I take my 1.1 litre fiesta to trackday and race it against another 1.1 litre fiesta, Neither of them will become race cars!

go to arrse where we can discuss this in full.
PLEASE DEAR GOD DO NOT LIST EVERY CMH.
I have 1355-ish victoria crosses to list if we must go at this like fools. please dont encourage me.

[IRONMAN]

I can't help it if you don't like the fact that more than half of all Medal of Honor recipients earned their esteemed citation through extreme bravery and killing numerous enemy while using an M1 Carbine in an assult role, or if that weapon was used extensivley by front line troops as an assult rifle in all theatres of WWII and Korea.

But I don't write history, you know?

Anyway, why not post something about a hero yourself? There a plenty of extraordianry soldiers to talk about.

[Bluffcove]

1)The first CMH has his weapon destroyed by a rifle bullet and used grenades
2)The Second CMH uses (by your reasoning) assault rocks to secure the surrender of the final machine gun nest.
3)The third CMH went to a tank commander issued not with an assault rifle but a personal defense weapon
4)The fourth CMH went to a man who lead an assault with 3 men and he himself only killed one of his 3 opponents using the M1 the award went ofr his courage after injury (I suspect).

I do not besmirchify these men nor their gallantry but I cant help but feel that it is somehow cheap for you to annotate their courage in all its glory to the parts that somehow support your flawed argument surrounding the usage of Carbines.

I realise I have done something similar but I merely wish to prove the
dangers of selective quotation. to take this further please ajourn to arrse where you may make your case, the poll is running fairly closely at the moment and with truth on your side you ahve nothing to fear.

Step forward to the plate and FFS grow some balls and repond to your critics, you are correct after all :twisted:

[Sturmtruppen]

QUOTE FROM:

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl08-e.htm





M1 CARBINE

Caliber: .30 US Carbine (7.62x33 mm)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 904 mm
Barrel length: 458 mm
Weight: 2.36 kg without magazine
Magazine capacity: 15 or 30 rounds


The M1 carbine is an interesting little weapon. The original request for a compact and lightweight shoulder arm to replace service handguns for second-line (non-fighting) troops was first issued by US Army in 1938. The idea behind this request was that a shoulder arm, such as carbine, firing ammunition of moderate power, will have more effective range and will be much simpler to train the users to fire it accurately, than the standard .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol or revolver. This request was probably the first recognition of the need in the Personal Defense Weapon in the modern sense. Request was shelved for some time and re-issued in 1940. It included the new cartridge of .30 caliber but of power far less than of US general issue .30-06 ammunition. The cartridge, officially named the "cartridge, ball, .30 caliber, M1", was developed by the Winchester company. It was a straight-case, rimless design with round-nose bullet weighting 110 grains (7.1 gram) and muzzle velocity of 1860 fps (~ 570 m/s). Muzzle energy was about 2 times more than of .45ACP pistol cartridge but still almost 3 times less than of .30-06 rifle cartridge. In the modern sense the .30 carbine cartridge can be called an "intermediate" but the lack of the muzzle energy and round nosed bullet limited the effective range to about 200 meters or so. Anyway, it had still much longer range than any pistol round of its time, along with moderate recoil. Many companies submitted their designs for US Army trials but the winner eventually became the Winchester. The design of the Winchester carbine is often contributed to the David "Carbine" Williams, who was the developer of the gas system. But, according to some sources, this carbine was born as a spare-time hunting carbine project of some engineers at Winchesters' workshop, and, when military request appeared, this design was resurrected and adopted for intended use. In any case, Winchester began to deliver its first carbines to the US Government in the July, 1942. Some other manufactures also were selected to produce the M1 carbines, such as Inland Manufacturing Division of the General Motors Corp., Underwood-Elliot-Fisher Co., Saginaw Steering Gear Division of the General Motors Corp., National Postal Meter Co., Quality Hardware & Machine Co., International Business Machines Corp (IBM), Standard Products Co. and Rock-Ola Co. During the period of 1942 - 1945 total of more than 6 millions of carbines were manufactured. Since 1944, the only companies still manufacturing M1 carbines were Winchester and Inland. After the end of the WW2 production continued for some time, and M1 carbine and its variations saw some serious action as a first-line weapon not only during the WW2, but also during Korean and early stages of Vietnam war. M1 carbines also were widely exported by US Government to numerous friendly nations, mostly in South-East Asia. M1 carbines saw limited use in the post-war West Germany and France. It should be also noted that M1 carbines are still manufactured by various small US companies for civilian sales, using both military surpulus and newly made parts. Large numbers of surpulus M1 carbines also were sold at the civilian markets in the post-war period.

In general, M1 Carbine was a really compact and handy weapon. It was lightweight and short enough to be more suitable for jungle combat, than a full-size battle rifles such as M1 Garand. It also offered relatively high practical rate of fire due to large-capacity, detachable magazines and low recoil. The M2 modification, which had a select-fire capability and a magazines of larger capacity (30 rounds, interchangeable with the older 15-round ones), could be described as an "almost an assault rifle" ("almost" is added due to the lack of effective range). Had Americans a little trouble to soup it up slightly in the terms of power and range, they could have a true assault rifle 20 years before they actually did, and probably with much less headache. But they did not, and M2 was manufactured in relatively small numbers and was mostly used during the Korean war. Another modification was the even more compact "paratrooper" version, M1A1, with side-folding metallic buttstock and a pistol grip. This version also was produced in limited numbers. The last modification was the M3, which originally appeared as an experimental prototype T3. It was no more than a M2 select-fire carbine, fitted with special mounts to accept night-vision sighting devices (IR sights). Intended use was as a short-range, night-time sniper rifle. M3 also was used in Korea and, probably, Vietnam.

It must be noted that during the war in Korea M1 carbines received some bad fame due to reliability problems in extremely low temperatures and also due to underpowered cartridge, which was sometimes unable to effectively penetrate the thick winter uniforms of North Korean and Chinese soldiers at extended ranges.

Technically, M1 Carbine is a gas operated, magazine fed, semi-automatic or select-fire (M2) short rifle. It uses the short-piston stroke gas operated action, designed by D. Williams. Gas piston is located under the middle of the barrel and has a travel of about 1/3 inch (8 mm). When gun is fired, the powder gases are bleed from the barrel into the gas chamber and propel the gas piston violently to the rear. The gas piston thus gives a sharp blow to the operating slide, which is located inside the stock and is linked to the rotating bolt, more or less similar to one found in M1 Garand rifle. The bolt has two forward lugs that locks into the receiver walls. The safety on all M1 carbines and variations is located at the front part of the triggerguard. On the earliest carbines the safety was in the form of the cross-bolt push-button but latter it was replaced by the lever-type switch, because in the heat of the combat the safety button was sometimes confused with magazine release button, located next to the safety. The fire mode selector on the M2 and M3 was located at the left side of the receiver. The cocking handle is permanently attached to the operating rod. Sights on the earlier M1 carbines had a flip-up rear diopter (peep-hole) with settings for 150 and 300 feets, and later rear sights were replaced by drift-adjustable diopter. Carbines were issued with sling and sometimes with additional pouch that was mounted on the buttstock and allowed to carry two spare magazines on the gun itself. Early M1 carbines had no provisions to mount a bayonet, however, some older models had bayonet lugs on the barrel.


this helps?

[IRONMAN]

*CAREY, ALVIN P. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army, 38th Infantry, 2-t Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Plougastel, Brittany, France, 23 August 1944. Entered service at: Laughlinstown, Pa. Born: 16 August 1916, Lycippus, Pa. G.O. No.: 37, 11 May 1945.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life, above and beyond the call of duty, on 23 August 1944. S/Sgt. Carey, leader of a machinegun section, was advancing with his company in the attack on the strongly held enemy hill 154, near Plougastel, Brittany, France.

The advance was held up when the attacking units were pinned down by intense enemy machinegun fire from a pillbox 200 yards up the hill. From his position covering the right flank, S/Sgt. Carey displaced his guns to an advanced position and then, upon his own initiative, armed himself with as many hand grenades as he could carry and without regard for his personal safety started alone up the hill toward the pillbox. Crawling forward under its withering fire, he proceeded 150 yards when he met a German rifleman whom he killed with his carbine. Continuing his steady forward movement until he reached grenade-throwing distance, he hurled his grenades at the pillbox opening in the face of intense enemy fire which wounded him mortally. Undaunted, he gathered his strength and continued his grenade attack until one entered and exploded within the pillbox, killing the occupants and putting their guns out of action. Inspired by S/Sgt. Carey's heroic act, the riflemen quickly occupied the position and overpowered the remaining enemy resistance in the vicinity.

[Bluffcove]

yes it does - thankyou Erwin.


In general, M1 Carbine was a really compact and handy weapon. It was lightweight and short enough to be more suitable for jungle combat, than a full-size battle rifles such as M1 Garand. It also offered relatively high practical rate of fire due to large-capacity, detachable magazines and low recoil. The M2 modification, which had a select-fire capability and a magazines of larger capacity (30 rounds, interchangeable with the older 15-round ones), could be described as an "almost an assault rifle" ("almost" is added due to the lack of effective range).


Had Americans a little trouble to soup it up slightly in the terms of power and range, they could have a true assault rifle 20 years before they actually did,
thankyou Erwin.

FRIONPAN, is Erwin a credible source?
bear in mind that we are discussing the m1 carbine, not the M2.
any answers?

Erwin I would give you bottom sex right now I love you so much!

[IRONMAN]

*CRAIG, ROBERT - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, 15th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Favoratta, Sicily, 11 July 1943. Entered service at: Toledo, Ohio. Birth: Scotland. G.O. No.: 41, 26 May 1944.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life, above and beyond the call of duty, on 11 July 1943 at Favoratta, Sicily. 2d Lt. Craig voluntarily undertook the perilous task of locating and destroying a hidden enemy machinegun which had halted the advance of his company.

Attempts by 3 other officers to locate the weapon had resulted in failure, with each officer receiving wounds. 2d Lt. Craig located the gun and snaked his way to a point within 35 yards of the hostile position before being discovered. Charging headlong into the furious automatic fire, he reached the gun, stood over it, and killed the 3 crew members with his carbine. With this obstacle removed, his company continued its advance. Shortly thereafter while advancing down the forward slope of a ridge, 2d Lt. Craig and his platoon, in a position devoid of cover and concealment, encountered the fire of approximately 100 enemy soldiers. Electing to sacrifice himself so that his platoon might carry on the battle, he ordered his men to withdraw to the cover of the crest while he drew the enemy fire to himself. With no hope of survival, he charged toward the enemy until he was within 25 yards of them. Assuming a kneeling position, he killed 5 and wounded 3 enemy soldiers. While the hostile force concentrated fire on him, his platoon reached the cover of the crest. 2d Lt. Craig was killed by enemy fire, but his intrepid action so inspired his men that they drove the enemy from the area, inflicting heavy casualties on the hostile force.

[IRONMAN]

DALY, MICHAEL J. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Captain (then Lieutenant), U.S. Army, Company A, 15th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Nuremberg, Germany, 18 April 1945. Entered service at: Southport, Conn. Born: 15 September 1924, New York, N.Y. G.O. No.: 77, 10 September 1945.

Citation: Early in the morning of 18 April 1945, he led his company through the shell-battered, sniper-infested wreckage of Nuremberg, Germany.

When bl1stering machinegun fire caught his unit in an exposed position, he ordered his men to take cover, dashed forward alone, and, as bullets whined about him, shot the 3-man guncrew with his carbine. Continuing the advance at the head of his company, he located an enemy patrol armed with rocket launchers which threatened friendly armor. He again went forward alone, secured a vantage point and opened fire on the Germans. Immediately he became the target for concentrated machine pistol and rocket fire, which blasted the rubble about him. Calmly, he continued to shoot at the patrol until he had killed all 6 enemy infantrymen. Continuing boldly far in front of his company, he entered a park, where as his men advanced, a German machinegun opened up on them without warning. With his carbine, he killed the gunner; and then, from a completely exposed position, he directed machinegun fire on the remainder of the crew until all were dead. In a final duel, he wiped out a third machinegun emplacement with rifle fire at a range of 10 yards. By fearlessly engaging in 4 single-handed fire fights with a desperate, powerfully armed enemy, Lt. Daly, voluntarily taking all major risks himself and protecting his men at every opportunity, killed 15 Germans, silenced 3 enemy machineguns and wiped out an entire enemy patrol. His heroism during the lone bitter struggle with fanatical enemy forces was an inspiration to the valiant Americans who took Nuremberg.

[Bluffcove]

There is a Pattern emerging, the word carbine Has appeared in all 11 of FRIONPAN's posts.

It appeared in the first 7 but maybe the last 4 are just coincidence?

[IRONMAN]

DERVISHIAN, ERNEST H. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, 34th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Cisterna, Italy, 23 May 1944. Entered service at: Richmond, Va. Birth: Richmond, Va. G.O. No.: 3, 8 January 1945.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty on 23 May 1944, in the vicinity of Cisterna, Italy. 2d Lt. Dervishian (then Tech. Sgt.) and 4 members of his platoon found themselves far ahead of their company after an aggressive advance in the face of enemy artillery and sniper fire.

Approaching a railroad embankment, they observed a force of German soldiers hiding in dugouts. 2d Lt. Dervishian, directing his men to cover him, boldly moved forward and firing his carbine forced 10 Germans to surrender. His men then advanced and captured 15 more Germans occupying adjacent dugouts. The prisoners were returned to the rear to be picked up by advancing units. From the railroad embankment, 2d Lt. Dervishian and his men then observed 9 Germans who were fleeing across a ridge. He and his men opened fire and 3 of the enemy were wounded. As his men were firing, 2d Lt. Dervishian, unnoticed, fearlessly dashed forward alone and captured all of the fleeing enemy before his companions joined him on the ridge. At this point 4 other men joined 2d Lt. Dervishian's group. An attempt was made to send the 4 newly arrived men along the left flank of a large, dense vineyard that lay ahead, but murderous machinegun fire forced them back. Deploying his men, 2d Lt. Dervishian moved to the front of his group and led the advance into the vineyard. He and his men suddenly became pinned down by a machinegun firing at them at a distance of 15 yards. Feigning death while the hostile weapon blazed away at him, 2d Lt. Dervishian assaulted the position during a halt in the firing, using a hand grenade and carbine fire, and forced the 4 German crewmembers to surrender. The 4 men on the left flank were now ordered to enter the vineyard but encountered machinegun fire which killed 1 soldier and wounded another. At this moment the enemy intensified the fight by throwing potato-masher grenades at the valiant band of American soldiers within the vineyard. 2d Lt. Dervishian ordered his men to withdraw; but instead of following, jumped into the machinegun position he had just captured and opened fire with the enemy weapon in the direction of the second hostile machinegun nest. Observing movement in a dugout 2 or 3 yards to the rear, 2d Lt. Dervishian seized a machine pistol. Simultaneously blazing away at the entrance to the dugout to prevent its occupants from firing and firing his machinegun at the other German nest, he forced 5 Germans in each position to surrender. Determined to rid the area of all Germans, 2d Lt. Dervishian continued his advance alone. Noticing another machinegun position beside a house, he picked up an abandoned machine pistol and forced 6 more Germans to surrender by spraying their position with fire. Unable to locate additional targets in the vicinity, 2d Lt. Dervishian conducted these prisoners to the rear. The prodigious courage and combat skill exhibited by 2d Lt. Dervishian are exemplary of the finest traditions of the U.S. Armed Forces.

[Sturmtruppen]

There is a Pattern emerging, the word carbine Has appeared in all 11 of FRIONPAN's posts.

It appeared in the first 7 but maybe the last 4 are just coincidence?

carbine is a light rifle,that i learnt with my escase knowledge about this rifle,anybody shoot a carbine?,that`s the only form to know

[Bluffcove]

Welcome aboard Erwin, Im worried as to what it was I said that persuaded you to change sides 8)

But yes you are right it is a "light" rifle. Did your "ecase knowledge" tell you whether it was an "assault rifle"?

Some of the people on this have fired them, some have not, and some like to pretend!

[Sturmtruppen]

Carbine, Cal. .30, M1
The M1 Carbine was developed to provide better protection to service troops than standard issue pistols, when caught under surprise attack during envelopment movements by enemy forces. The Carbine filled a need for a weapon heavier than a pistol, but lighter than a rifle for issue to company-grade officers and NCOs. The Carbine proved to be such an effective light weight weapon that it was also carried for protection by heavy and light weapons teams. All models used a .30 cal. Carbine cartridge in 15-round and 30-round magazines.
M1 could be fired only as a semi-automatic.
M1A1 was also a semi-automatic, but featured a folding metal buttstock, an excellent light weight weapon for use by paratroops.

from: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1-car.htm

[IRONMAN]

carbine is a light rifle,that i learnt with my escase knowledge about this rifle,anybody shoot a carbine?,that`s the only form to know

That is true Mr. Schätzer, it is a light rifle, and as such, it did not shoot pistol ammunition. Albiet a weak rifle, but effective at it's maximum effective range, as are all weapons. It may not be effective at 600m, like a standard or sniper rifle, but it was a dandy little weapon.

[Sturmtruppen]

Erwin can your game tell us what the effective range of that weapon is?

Does your game tell you whether that weapon will be more effective when a group fire it together, I mean, if you and your squad all fire at one man is it more effective and can it shoot further?

it`s like a a pistol,but bigger,provides better protection,it`s a very light rifle.

a weapon is always better when you have 300 guys firing it to support you.

[Sturmtruppen]

quote of a site:

Early versions of the Carbine had inadequate sights for longer ranges, and when fired, the .30 inch (7.62 mm) caliber US Carbine cartridge loses considerable lethality after about 200 m though it was listed as effective up to about 275 m. However, with improved sights and used within the limitations of its ammunition, the Carbine became a much more formidable weapon. Rimmed, centerfire . ...


the question is,what happens then,if this is a early version

[Sturmtruppen]

We will get round to what "tonguing the hoop" means later,
What did the game teach you about the M1 Carbine

especially,
How far can it shoot?
does it shoot further if a group of you shoot them all at one man?

it has short range. a bit more than a pistol,it`s the same if you have more or less men,because with a few of shots,nobody can resist. (nobody can resist,it isn`t very powerfull,but a gun can kill people without much help)

[LargeBrew]

I don't think Ironing Man is going to stop until he has copied every citation from the CMH site that mentions the M1 in an assault role with bold notation. Well I'm off as I have three school uniforms to iron and packed lunches to prepare. I am currently seven bottlesinto the case of carlsberg export that I bought from Tescothis morning and I've promised myself eight. I'm on duty at eight am so two hours Kip and I'll be right, Ta Ta.

[IRONMAN]

FISHER, ALMOND E. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company E, 157th Infantry, 45th Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Grammont, France, 12-13 September 1944. Entered service at: Brooklyn, N.Y. Birth: Hume, N.Y. G.O. No: 32, 23 April 1945.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty on the night of 1213 September 1944, near Grammont, France.

In the darkness of early morning, 2d Lt. Fisher was leading a platoon of Company E, 157th Infantry, in single column to the attack of a strongly defended hill position. At 2:30 A.M., the forward elements were brought under enemy machinegun fire from a distance of not more than 20 yards. Working his way alone to within 20 feet of the gun emplacement, he opened fire with his carbine and killed the entire guncrew. A few minutes after the advance was resumed, heavy machinegun fire was encountered from the left flank. Again crawling forward alone under withering fire, he blasted the gun and crew from their positions with hand grenades. After a halt to replenish ammunition, the advance was again resumed and continued for 1 hour before being stopped by intense machinegun and rifle fire. Through the courageous and skillful leadership of 2d Lt. Fisher, the pocket of determined enemy resistance was rapidly obliterated. Spotting an emplaced machine pistol a short time later, with 1 of his men he moved forward and destroyed the position. As the advance continued the fire fight became more intense. When a bypassed German climbed from his foxhole and attempted to tear an Ml rifle from the hands of 1 of his men, 2d Lt. Fisher whirled and killed the enemy with a burst from his carbine. About 30 minutes later the platoon came under the heavy fire of machineguns from across an open field. 2d Lt. Fisher, disregarding the terrific fire, moved across the field with no cover or concealment to within range, knocked the gun from the position and killed or wounded the crew. Still under heavy fire he returned to his platoon and continued the advance. Once again heavy fire was encountered from a machinegun directly in front. Calling for hand grenades, he found only 2 remaining in the entire platoon. Pulling the pins and carrying a grenade in each hand, he crawled toward the gun emplacement, moving across areas devoid of cover and under intense fire to within 15 yards when he threw the grenades, demolished the gun and killed the guncrew. With ammunition low and daybreak near, he ordered his men to dig in and hold the ground already won. Under constant fire from the front and from both flanks, he moved among them directing the preparations for the defense. Shortly after the ammunition supply was replenished, the Germans launched a last determined effort against the depleted group. Attacked by superior numbers from the front, right, and left flank, and even from the rear, the platoon, in bitter hand-to-hand engagements drove back the enemy at every point. Wounded in both feet by close-range machine pistol fire early in the battle, 2d Lt. Fisher refused medical attention. Unable to walk, he crawled from man to man encouraging them and checking each position. Only after the fighting had subsided did 2d Lt. Fisher crawl 300 yards to the aid station from which he was evacuated. His extraordinary heroism, magnificent valor, and aggressive determination in the face of pointblank enemy fire is an inspiration to his organization and reflects the finest traditions of the U.S. Armed Forces.

[IRONMAN]

*WIGLE, THOMAS W. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company K, 135th Infantry, 34th Infantry Division. Place and date: Monte Frassino, Italy, 14 September 1944. Entered service at: Detroit, Mich. Birth: Indianapolis, Ind. G.O. No.: 8, 7 February 1945.

Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty in the vicinity of Monte Frassino, Italy. The 3d Platoon, in attempting to seize a strongly fortified hill position protected by 3 parallel high terraced stone walls, was twice thrown back by the withering crossfire. 2d Lt. Wigle, acting company executive, observing that the platoon was without an officer, volunteered to command it on the next attack. Leading his men up the bare, rocky slopes through intense and concentrated fire, he succeeded in reaching the first of the stone walls. Having himself boosted to the top and perching there in full view of the enemy, he drew and returned their fire while his men helped each other up and over. Following the same method, he successfully negotiated the second. Upon reaching the top of the third wall, he faced 3 houses which were the key point of the enemy defense. Ordering his men to cover him, he made a dash through a hail of machine-pistol fire to reach the nearest house. Firing his carbine as he entered, he drove the enemy before him out of the back door and into the second house. Following closely on the heels of the foe, he drove them from this house into the third where they took refuge in the cellar. When his men rejoined him, they found him mortally wounded on the cellar stairs which he had started to descend to force the surrender of the enemy. His heroic action resulted in the capture of 36 German soldiers and the seizure of the strongpoint.

[IRONMAN]

*ZUSSMAN, RAYMOND - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, 756th Tank Battalion. Place and date: Noroy le Bourg, France, 12 September 1944. Entered service at: Detroit, Mich. Birth: Hamtramck, Mich. G.O. No.: 42, 24 May 1945. Citation: On 12 September 1944, 2d Lt. Zussman was in command of 2 tanks operating with an infantry company in the attack on enemy forces occupying the town of Noroy le Bourg, France. At 7 p.m., his command tank bogged down. Throughout the ensuing action, armed only with a carbine, he reconnoitered alone on foot far in advance of his remaining tank and the infantry. Returning only from time to time to designate targets, he directed the action of the tank and turned over to the infantry the numerous German soldiers he had caused to surrender. He located a road block and directed his tanks to destroy it. Fully exposed to fire from enemy positions only 50 yards distant, he stood by his tank directing its fire. Three Germans were killed and 8 surrendered. Again he walked before his tank, leading it against an enemy-held group of houses, machinegun and small arms fire kicking up dust at his feet. The tank fire broke the resistance and 20 enemy surrendered. Going forward again alone he passed an enemy-occupied house from which Germans fired on him and threw grenades in his path. After a brief fire fight, he signaled his tank to come up and fire on the house. Eleven German soldiers were killed and 15 surrendered. Going on alone, he disappeared around a street corner. The fire of his carbine could be heard and in a few minutes he reappeared driving 30 prisoners before him. Under 2d Lt. Zussman's heroic and inspiring leadership, 18 enemy soldiers were killed and 92 captured.

[IRONMAN]

*HALLMAN, SHERWOOD H. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army, 175th Infantry, 29th Infantry Division. Place and date: Brest, Brittany, France, 13 September 1944. Entered service at: Spring City, Pa. Birth: Spring City, Pa. G.O. No.: 31, 17 April 1945. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. On 13 September 1944, in Brittany, France, the 2d Battalion in its attack on the fortified city of Brest was held up by a strongly defended enemy position which had prevented its advance despite repeated attacks extending over a 3-day period. Finally, Company F advanced to within several hundred yards of the enemy position but was again halted by intense fire. Realizing that the position must be neutralized without delay, S/Sgt. Hallman ordered his squad to cover his movements with fire while he advanced alone to a point from which he could make the assault. Without hesitating, S/Sgt. Hallman leaped over a hedgerow into a sunken road, the central point of the German defenses which was known to contain an enemy machinegun position and at least 30 enemy riflemen. Firing his carbine and hurling grenades, S/Sgt. Hallman, unassisted, killed or wounded 4 of the enemy, then ordered the remainder to surrender. Immediately, 12 of the enemy surrendered and the position was shortly secured by the remainder of his company. Seeing the surrender of this position, about 75 of the enemy in the vicinity surrendered, yielding a defensive organization which the battalion with heavy supporting fires had been unable to take. This single heroic act on the part of S/Sgt. Hallman resulted in the immediate advance of the entire battalion for a distance of 2,000 yards to a position from which Fort Keranroux was captured later the same day. S/Sgt. Hallman's fighting determination and intrepidity in battle exemplify the highest tradition of the U.S. Armed Forces.

[IRONMAN]

*BEAUDOIN, RAYMOND O. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company F, 119th Infantry, 30th Infantry Division. Place and date: Hamelin, Germany, 6 April 1945. Entered service at: Holyoke, Mass. Birth: Holyoke, Mass. G.O. No.: 9, 25 January 1946. Citation: He was leading the 2d Platoon of Company F over flat, open terrain to Hamelin, Germany, when the enemy went into action with machineguns and automatic weapons, laying down a devastating curtain of fire which pinned his unit to the ground. By rotating men in firing positions he made it possible for his entire platoon to dig in, defying all the while the murderous enemy fire to encourage his men and to distribute ammunition. He then dug in himself at the most advanced position, where he kept up a steady fire, killing 6 hostile soldiers, and directing his men in inflicting heavy casualties on the numerically superior opposing force. Despite these defensive measures, however, the position of the platoon became more precarious, for the enemy had brought up strong reinforcements and was preparing a counterattack. Three men, sent back at intervals to obtain ammunition and reinforcements, were killed by sniper fire. To relieve his command from the desperate situation, 1st Lt. Beaudoin decided to make a l-man attack on the most damaging enemy sniper nest 90 yards to the right flank, and thereby divert attention from the runner who would attempt to pierce the enemy's barrier of bullets and secure help. Crawling over completely exposed ground, he relentlessly advanced, undeterred by 8 rounds of bazooka fire which threw mud and stones over him or by rifle fire which ripped his uniform. Ten yards from the enemy position he stood up and charged. At point-blank range he shot and killed 2 occupants of the nest; a third, who tried to bayonet him, he overpowered and killed with the butt of his carbine; and the fourth adversary was cut down by the platoon's rifle fire as he attempted to flee. He continued his attack by running toward a dugout, but there he was struck and killed by a burst from a machinegun. By his intrepidity, great fighting skill, and supreme devotion to his responsibility for the well-being of his platoon, 1st Lt. Beaudoin single-handedly accomplished a mission that enabled a messenger to secure help which saved the stricken unit and made possible the decisive defeat of the German forces.

[Bluffcove]

but effective at it's maximum effective range, as are all weapons. It may not be effective at 600m, like a standard or sniper rifle,

2 things FRIONPAN.

Firstly - Id like to thank you for informing the world that it is effective at its maximum effective range - things like that can sometimes be confusing.

Secondly - regarding how standard rifles are effective at 600M, is this a contradiction to some of your earlier posts or not?

In your own time, swallow your bedsheets and choke!

[Sturmtruppen]

The Carbine was inadequate for ranges normally asociated with assault rifles, and when fired, the .30 inch (7.62 mm) caliber US Carbine cartridge loses considerable lethality after about 200 m though it was optomistically listed as effective up to about 275 m.

[IRONMAN]

There are quite a number of others who received the Medal of Honor and killed several to many enemy with their M1 Carbine in WWII. A couple of them are medics, others are platoon leaders, etc. A greater number of men who received that esteemed award in WWII were using the M1 Carbine it seems, and most of those were using it as an assult rifle. *burp*. Ofcourse, those who received the Medal of Honor are but a small sampling of the tens of thousands of men who killed with one (especially in the Pacific Theatre *burp*), and also of those who used on in an assult role, for which the weapon was ideally suited. *belch*

Now I guess I could post those who received the Medal of Honor in Korea using an M1 Carbine, but since this thread is about soldiers in WWII, that would be off-topic.

It's quite surprising isn't it, just how much that little rifle was effectively used on the front lines, but it's really no surprise that it was used as and activley selected thousands of times as an assult rifle in combat, since, as I have told you *burp*, it fits the characteristics of such a weapon. *belch*

[Bluffcove]

An assault rifle has prescribed characteristics,
the M1 does not possess these characteristics.
the M1 is not a assault rifle

Erwin Schatzer, BLockhead, Argentine, and International Playboy has just shown you what the M1 was!

Why didnt you tell us your dad wrote the CoD manual?

youve been funny mate, but to be fair, go and lick a car battery!

[LargeBrew]

Ironing Man Ain't ever done, lets just leave him to it. He's having a google frenzy, nighty night all

[Sturmtruppen]

An assault rifle has prescribed characteristics,
the M1 does not possess these characteristics.
the M1 is not a carbine

Erwin Schatzer, BLockhead, Argentine, and International Playboy has just shown you what the M1 was!

Why didnt you tell us your dad wrote the CoD manual?

youve been funny mate, but to be fair, go and lick a car battery!

safety off, selector switch to repeat, fire, mag off, working parts forward, forward assist, safety on, dust cover.
hey!,blockead hasn`t nothing to do there!.

but international playboy 8)

[Man of Stoat]

Tinwalt, again, using a wpn in the assault does not make it an assault rifle, otherwise the Brown Bess, Martini-Henry, SMLE, No.4 etc etc etc would be classed as such. Sheesh! Get with the programme!

It could be worse, I suppose - you could be using the Brady Campaign definition (more than 2 out of: pistol grip, flash suppressor, det. mag, bayonet mount, folding stock).....

[BDL]

There are quite a number of others who received the Medal of Honor and killed several to many enemy with their M1 Carbine in WWII. A couple of them are medics, others are platoon leaders, etc. The greater number of men who received that esteemed award in WWII were using the M1 Carbine it seems, and most of those were using it as an assult rifle. *burp*. Ofcourse, those who received the Medal of Honor are but a small sampling of the tens of thousands of men who killed with one (especially in the Pacific Theatre *burp*), and also of those who used on in an assult role, for which the weapon was ideally suited. *belch*

By that rational, swords and lances are now assault rifles because some of the Light Brigade won the Victoria Cross during an assault, for which their weapon were ideally suited.

Also now reclassified as assault rifles - Lancaster bombers (several pilots won VCs during the aerial assault on Germany in a weapon that was designed to do it, Self Loading Rifle (FN-FAL/L1) which Lt Col H Jones of the Parachute Regiment was carrying during an assault on Argentine positions in 1982 (he won the VC to), as well Lee-Enfield 0.303in rifles, Sten sub machine guns, Spitfires, Mosquito (bomber and fighters), Martini Henry repeating rifles and several different types of ship, all of which were weapons that helped their user to win the VC during an assault of one kind or another.

[Man of Stoat]

Medics & platoon commanders, you say? What, you mean people whose standard wpn is the M1 carbine?

I'm sure you'll find plenty of WW2 era citations for people using Garands, BARs, Thompsons, M3 grease guns etc.

Why this obsession? I know they're lovely to shoot (have you ever shot one?)

We've already ascertained that the M2 carbine technically falls within the definition (select fire, intermediate cartridge), but its effective range is just not up to the job. Remember that the whole concept of an assault rifle is to replace the two types of personal wpn (i.e. rifle and SMG) with one system that can do both jobs - this is what the Germans planned to do, the Russkies were the 1st to do, and almost everyone else has done since. The M2 carbine does not fill this requirement - if it had, the US would have ditched the Garand and the SMGs, since this would simplify parts, spares and ammunition logistics. The effective range is just not up to the rôle, so they didn't do it!

The M1 carbine, however, does not even fall within the broad definition, so STFU about it.

[IRONMAN]

By that rational, swords and lances are now assault rifles because...

:roll:

Medics & platoon commanders, you say? What, you mean people whose standard wpn is the M1 carbine?

Man of Goat, (since I am a "Tinwalt" to you, you are officially "Man of Goat"!)

You have trouble believing that many of MOH recipients in WWII used an M1 Carbine to earn it? There is a reason for that, you see. Those men acted with valor and courage to assult the enemy and make a profound differece for thier fellow soldiers. Since the M1 Carbine is suited to an assult role and the M1 Garand is not, you can see why those men who were using a carbine, or men who picked one up to conduct their assult and did those acts of valor and courage, represent a respectable percentage of those who received the citations. It's really very simple, you see.

Earning the citation requires some act of extreme valor and/or courage that makes a profound difference. Assulting enemy positions and wiping them out, qualifies for consideration of such a citation. Is it really any wonder to you why many of those men who assulted enemy positions did so using an M1 Carbine? It really should not confounded you so.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of WW2 era citations for people using Garands, BARs, Thompsons, M3 grease guns etc.

Surely. But how does that take away from the fact that many were ararded to men using an M1 Carbine in an assult role?

Now you guys are taking this thing way off-topic, so let's stick to the topic shall we? I can't help your bumfuzzlement over the success of the M1 Carbine in combat or as an assult weapon. You've already proven that it simply will not seep into your skull. But we really do need to stay on topic -

Outstanding Soldiers of WW2.

[Man of Stoat]

You're confusing a wpn with a man's bravery...

You've made claims that more citations were for chaps using carbines - why not provide some figures to back yourself up? You've got to do better than just claim it.

[SMLE]

Ironman, you've been proved a halfwit by so many people now, why don't you just come clean? You're 12 years old aren't you? It's nothing to be ashamed of, you'll grow up one day. We don't hate you for it, we just want you to be honest. One day you'll be a big enough boy to join the army or learn about shooting guns, instead of playing computer games, but until that time you really ought to live your childhood.

[South African Military]

Gerard Ross Norton - Victoria Cross

Country: South African

The following information is taken from Wikipedia:

"He was 28 years old, and a Lieutenant in the Kaffrarian Rifles, South African Forces, attd. 1/4th Bn., The Hampshire Regiment (later The Royal Hampshire Regiment) during the Second World War when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.

On 31 August 1944 during the attack on Monte Gidolfo, Italy, Lieutenant Norton's platoon was pinned down by heavy fire. On his own initiative and with complete disregard for his own safety, he advanced alone and attacked the first machine-gun emplacement, killing the crew of three. He then went on to the second position containing two machine-guns and 15 riflemen, and wiped out both machine-gun nests, killing or taking prisoner the remainder of the enemy. Throughout these attacks he was continuously under fire from a self-propelled gun, nevertheless he calmly went on to lead his platoon against the remaining enemy positions.
He later achieved the rank of Captain. Gerard Ross Norton died on 29 October 2004."

[South African Military]

Quentin George Murray Smythe - Victoria Cross

Country: South African

The following information is taken from Wikipedia:

"He was 25 years old, and a Sergeant in the Royal Natal Carabineers, South African Forces during the Second World War when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.

On 5 June 1942 in the Alem Hamza area, Western Desert, Egypt, during an attack on an enemy strong-point in which his officer was severely wounded, Sergeant Smythe took command of the platoon although he was himself wounded in the head. When our troops came under enfilade fire from an enemy machine-gun nest he attacked it with hand grenades, capturing the crew. Although weak from loss of blood, he continued to lead the advance and stalking an anti-tank position, he gain attacked and captured it single-handed killing several of the enemy.

London Gazette, 11 September 1942. Alem Hamza, Libya, 5 June 1942, Sergeant Quentin George Murray Smythe, Royal Natal Caribineers, South African Forces. Although handicapped by a wound in his forehead, causing much loss of blood, Smythe managed single handedly to obliterate a machine gun post, taking all the surviving crew prisoner. Then, again single-handedly and armed only with rifle and bayonet, he promptly did the same with an enemy anti-tank gun crew, after which he consolidated the position. However, because of the deterioration of the situation elsewhere, Smythe found himself ordered to withdraw. In spite of a vigorous attempt by the enemy to cut him off, he managed to lead his men back to their lines. It was for this action Captain Smythe was awarded the Victoria Cross."

[IRONMAN]

DUNHAM, RUSSELL E. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Technical Sergeant, U.S. Army, Company I, 30th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Kayserberg, France, 8 January 1945. Entered service at: Brighton Ill. Born: 23 February 1920, East Carondelet, Ill. G.O. No.: 37, 11 May 1945. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. At about 1430 hours on 8 January 1945, during an attack on Hill 616, near Kayserberg, France, T/Sgt. Dunham single-handedly assaulted 3 enemy machineguns. Wearing a white robe made of a mattress cover, carrying 12 carbine magazines and with a dozen hand grenades snagged in his belt, suspenders, and buttonholes, T/Sgt. Dunham advanced in the attack up a snow-covered hill under fire from 2 machineguns and supporting riflemen. His platoon 35 yards behind him, T/Sgt. Dunham crawled 75 yards under heavy direct fire toward the timbered emplacement shielding the left machinegun. As he jumped to his feet 10 yards from the gun and charged forward, machinegun fire tore through his camouflage robe and a rifle bullet seared a 10-inch gash across his back sending him spinning 15 yards down hill into the snow. When the indomitable sergeant sprang to his feet to renew his 1-man assault, a German egg grenade landed beside him. He kicked it aside, and as it exploded 5 yards away, shot and killed the German machinegunner and assistant gunner. His carbine empty, he jumped into the emplacement and hauled out the third member of the gun crew by the collar. Although his back wound was causing him excruciating pain and blood was seeping through his white coat, T/Sgt. Dunham proceeded 50 yards through a storm of automatic and rifle fire to attack the second machinegun. Twenty-five yards from the emplacement he hurled 2 grenades, destroying the gun and its crew; then fired down into the supporting foxholes with his carbine dispatching and dispersing the enemy riflemen. Although his coat was so thoroughly blood-soaked that he was a conspicuous target against the white landscape, T/Sgt. Dunham again advanced ahead of his platoon in an assault on enemy positions[b] farther up the hill. Coming under machinegun fire from 65 yards to his front, while rifle grenades exploded 10 yards from his position, he hit the ground and crawled forward. At 15 yards range, he jumped to his feet, staggered a few paces toward the timbered machinegun emplacement and killed the crew with hand grenades. An enemy rifleman fired at pointblank range, but missed him. [b]After killing the rifleman, T/Sgt. Dunham drove others from their foxholes with grenades and carbine fire. Killing 9 Germans--wounding 7 and capturing 2--firing about 175 rounds of carbine ammunition, and expending 11 grenades, T/Sgt. Dunham, despite a painful wound, spearheaded a spectacular and successful diversionary attack.

[IRONMAN]

COOLIDGE, CHARLES H. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Technical Sergeant, U.S. Army, Company M, 141st Infantry, 36th Infantry Division. Place and date: East of Belmont sur Buttant, France, 2427 October 1944. Entered service at: Signal Mountain, Tenn. Birth: Signal Mountain, Tenn. G.O. No.: 53, July 1945. Citation: Leading a section of heavy machineguns supported by 1 platoon of Company K, he took a position near Hill 623, east of Belmont sur Buttant, France, on 24 October 1944, with the mission of covering the right flank of the 3d Battalion and supporting its action. T/Sgt. Coolidge went forward with a sergeant of Company K to reconnoiter positions for coordinating the fires of the light and heavy machineguns. They ran into an enemy force in the woods estimated to be an infantry company. T/Sgt. Coolidge, attempting to bluff the Germans by a show of assurance and boldness called upon them to surrender, whereupon the enemy opened fire. With his carbine, T/Sgt. Coolidge wounded 2 of them. There being no officer present with the force, T/Sgt. Coolidge at once assumed command. Many of the men were replacements recently arrived; this was their first experience under fire. T/Sgt. Coolidge, unmindful of the enemy fire delivered at close range, walked along the position, calming and encouraging his men and directing their fire. The attack was thrown back. Through 25 and 26 October the enemy launched repeated attacks against the position of this combat group but each was repulsed due to T/Sgt. Coolidge's able leadership. On 27 October, German infantry, supported by 2 tanks, made a determined attack on the position. The area was swept by enemy small arms, machinegun, and tank fire. T/Sgt. Coolidge armed himself with a bazooka and advanced to within 25 yards of the tanks. His bazooka failed to function and he threw it aside. Securing all the hand grenades he could carry, he crawled forward and inflicted heavy casualties on the advancing enemy. Finally it became apparent that the enemy, in greatly superior force, supported by tanks, would overrun the position. T/Sgt. Coolidge, displaying great coolness and courage, directed and conducted an orderly withdrawal, being himself the last to leave the position. As a result of T/Sgt. Coolidge's heroic and superior leadership, the mission of this combat group was accomplished throughout 4 days of continuous fighting against numerically superior enemy troops in rain and cold and amid dense woods.

[Bluffcove]

For those of you reading this who have never seen a simple question avoided, that was what it looks like!
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Consequently I shall repeat the question:

That is true Mr. Schätzer, it is a light rifle, and as such, it did not shoot pistol ammunition. Albiet a weak rifle, but effective at it's maximum effective range, as are all weapons. It may not be effective at 600m, like a standard or sniper rifle, but it was a dandy little weapon.


does this quote mean that a standard rifle is effective at 600 metres unlike the M1 carbine, IRONMAN?

and below is the emboldened script of TURGIDPHALLUSs post.


France.
carrying 12 carbine magazines.
crawled 75 yards under heavy direct fire toward the timbered emplacement shielding the left machinegun. As he jumped to his feet 10 yards from the gun and charged forward.
His carbine empty.
proceeded 50 yards through a storm of automatic and rifle fire to attack the second machinegun.
then fired down into the supporting foxholes with his carbine dispatching and dispersing the enemy riflemen.
again advanced ahead of his platoon in an assault on enemy positions[b] farther up the hill. Coming under machinegun fire from 65 yards to his front, while rifle grenades exploded 10 yards from his position, he hit the ground and crawled forward. At 15 yards range, he jumped to his feet, staggered a few paces toward the timbered machinegun emplacement and killed the crew with hand grenades. An enemy rifleman fired at pointblank range, but missed him. [b]After killing the rifleman, T/Sgt. Dunham drove others from their foxholes with grenades and carbine fire
175 rounds of carbine ammunition

[IRONMAN]

HARRELL, WILLIAM GEORGE - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, 1st Battalion, 28th Marines, 5th Marine Division. Place and date: Iwo Jima, Volcano Islands, 3 March 1945. Entered service at: Mercedes, Tex. Born: 26 June 1922, Rio Grande City, Tex. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as leader of an assault group attached to the 1st Battalion, 28th Marines, 5th Marine Division during hand-to-hand combat with enemy Japanese at Iwo Jima, Volcano Islands, on 3 March 1945. Standing watch alternately with another marine in a terrain studded with caves and ravines, Sgt. Harrell was holding a position in a perimeter defense around the company command post when Japanese troops infiltrated our lines in the early hours of dawn. Awakened by a sudden attack, he quickly opened fire with his carbine and killed 2 of the enemy as they emerged from a ravine in the light of a star shellburst. Unmindful of his danger as hostile grenades fell closer, he waged a fierce lone battle until an exploding missile tore off his left hand and fractured his thigh. He was vainly attempting to reload the carbine when his companion returned from the command post with another weapon. Wounded again by a Japanese who rushed the foxhole wielding a saber in the darkness, Sgt. Harrell succeeded in drawing his pistol and killing his opponent and then ordered his wounded companion to a place of safety. Exhausted by profuse bleeding but still unbeaten, he fearlessly met the challenge of 2 more enemy troops who charged his position and placed a grenade near his head. Killing 1 man with his pistol, he grasped the sputtering grenade with his good right hand, and, pushing it painfully toward the crouching soldier, saw his remaining assailant destroyed but his own hand severed in the explosion. At dawn Sgt. Harrell was evacuated from a position hedged by the bodies of 12 dead Japanese, at least 5 of whom he had personally destroyed in his self-sacrificing defense of the command post. His grim fortitude, exceptional valor, and indomitable fighting spirit against almost insurmountable odds reflect the highest credit upon himself and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.

[IRONMAN]

KELLEY, OVA A. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Private, U.S. Army, Company A, 382d Infantry, 96th Infantry Division. Place and date: Leyte, Philippine Islands, 8 December 1944. Entered service at: Norwood, Mo. Birth: Norwood, Mo. G.O. No.: 89 19 October 1945. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Before dawn, near the edge of the enemy-held Buri airstrip, the company was immobilized by heavy, accurate rifle and machinegun fire from hostile troops entrenched in bomb craters and a ditch less than 100 yards distant. The company commander ordered a mortar concentration which destroyed 1 machinegun but failed to dislodge the main body of the enemy. At this critical moment Pvt. Kelley, on his own initiative, left his shallow foxhole with an armload of hand grenades and began a 1-man assault on the foe. Throwing his missiles with great accuracy, he moved forward, killed or wounded 5 men, and forced the remainder to flee in a disorganized route. He picked up a M-1 rifle and emptied its clip at the running Japanese, killing 3. Discarding this weapon, he took a carbine and killed 3 more of the enemy. Inspired by his example, his comrades followed him in a charge which destroyed the entire enemy force of 34 enlisted men and 2 officers and captured 2 heavy and 1 light machineguns. Pvt. Kelley continued to press the attack on to an airstrip, where sniper fire wounded him so grievously that he died 2 days later. His outstanding courage, aggressiveness, and initiative in the face of grave danger was an inspiration to his entire company and led to the success of the attack.

[Bluffcove]

21 posts from IRONINGMAN so far.


That is true Mr. Schätzer, it is a light rifle, and as such, it did not shoot pistol ammunition. Albiet a weak rifle, but effective at it's maximum effective range, as are all weapons. It may not be effective at 600m, like a standard or sniper rifle, but it was a dandy little weapon.

does this quote mean that a standard rifle is effective at 600 metres unlike the M1 carbine, IRONMAN?

[IRONMAN]

McGRAW, FRANCIS X. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Private First Class, U.S. Army, Company H, 26th Infantry, 1st Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Schevenhutte, Germany, 19 November 1944. Entered service at: Camden. N.J. Birth: Philadelphia, Pa. G.O. No.: 92, 25 October 1945. Citation: He manned a heavy machinegun emplaced in a foxhole near Schevenhutte, Germany, on 19 November 1944, when the enemy launched a fierce counterattack. Braving an intense hour-long preparatory barrage, he maintained his stand and poured deadly accurate fire into the advancing foot troops until they faltered and came to a halt. The hostile forces brought up a machinegun in an effort to dislodge him but were frustrated when he lifted his gun to an exposed but advantageous position atop a log, courageously stood up in his foxhole and knocked out the enemy weapon. A rocket blasted his gun from position, but he retrieved it and continued firing. He silenced a second machinegun and then made repeated trips over fire-swept terrain to replenish his ammunition supply. Wounded painfully in this dangerous task, he disregarded his injury and hurried back to his post, where his weapon was showered with mud when another rocket barely missed him. In the midst of the battle, with enemy troops taking advantage of his predicament to press forward, he calmly cleaned his gun, put it back into action and drove off the attackers. He continued to fire until his ammunition was expended, when, with a fierce desire to close with the enemy, he picked up a carbine, killed 1 enemy soldier, wounded another and engaged in a desperate firefight with a third until he was mortally wounded by a burst from a machine pistol. The extraordinary heroism and intrepidity displayed by Pvt. McGraw inspired his comrades to great efforts and was a major factor in repulsing the enemy attack.

[IRONMAN]

POWER, JOHN VINCENT - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization. First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps. Born: 20 November 1918, Worcester, Mass. Appointed from: Massachusetts. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as platoon leader, attached to the 4th Marine Division, during the landing and battle of Namur Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands, 1 February 1944. Severely wounded in the stomach while setting a demolition charge on a Japanese pillbox, 1st Lt. Power was steadfast in his determination to remain in action. Protecting his wound with his left hand and firing with his right, he courageously advanced as another hostile position was taken under attack, fiercely charging the opening made by the explosion and emptying his carbine into the pillbox. While attempting to reload and continue the attack, 1st Lt. Power was shot again in the stomach and head and collapsed in the doorway. His exceptional valor, fortitude and indomitable fighting spirit in the face of withering enemy fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service. He gallantly gave his life for his country.

[Bluffcove]

23 posts and he has avoided this question 3 times in this thread and 5 times overall.

That is true Mr. Schätzer, it is a light rifle, and as such, it did not shoot pistol ammunition. Albiet a weak rifle, but effective at it's maximum effective range, as are all weapons. It may not be effective at 600m, like a standard or sniper rifle, but it was a dandy little weapon.


does this quote mean that a standard rifle is effective at 600 metres unlike the M1 carbine, IRONMAN?

Does this mean a Carbine is different to a standard rifle?

[IRONMAN]

SCOTT, ROBERT S. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization: Captain (then Lieutenant), U.S. Army, 172d Infantry, 43d Infantry Division. Place and date. Near Munda Air Strip, New Georgia, Solomon Islands, 29 July 1943. Entered service at. Santa Fe, N. Mex. Birth: Washington, D.C. G.O. No.: 81, 14 October 1944. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty near Munda Airstrip, New Georgia, Solomon Islands, on 29 July 1943. After 27 days of bitter fighting, the enemy held a hilltop salient which commanded the approach to Munda Airstrip. Our troops were exhausted from prolonged battle and heavy casualties, but Lt. Scott advanced with the leading platoon of his company to attack the enemy position, urging his men forward in the face of enemy rifle and enemy machinegun fire. He had pushed forward alone to a point midway across the barren hilltop within 75 yards of the enemy when the enemy launched a desperate counterattack, which successful would have gained undisputed possession of the hill. Enemy riflemen charged out on the plateau, firing and throwing grenades as they moved to engage our troops. The company withdrew, but Lt. Scott, with only a blasted tree stump for cover, stood his ground against the wild enemy assault. By firing his carbine and throwing the grenades in his possession he momentarily stopped the enemy advance using the brief respite to obtain more grenades. Disregarding small-arms fire and exploding grenades aimed at him, suffering a bullet wound in the left hand and a painful shrapnel wound in the head after his carbine had been shot from his hand, he threw grenade after grenade with devastating accuracy until the beaten enemy withdrew. Our troops, inspired to renewed effort by Lt. Scott's intrepid stand and incomparable courage, swept across the plateau to capture the hill, and from this strategic position 4 days later captured Munda Airstrip.

[IRONMAN]

STRYKER, STUART S. - Medal of Honor Recipient

Rank and organization. Private First Class, U.S. Army, Company E, 513th Parachute Infantry, 17th Airborne Division. Place and date: Near Wesel, Germany, 24 March 1945. Entered service at: Portland, Oreg. Birth. Portland, Oreg. G.O. No.: 117, 11 December 1945. Citation. He was a platoon runner, when the unit assembled near Wesel, Germany after a descent east of the Rhine. Attacking along a railroad, Company E reached a point about 250 yards from a large building used as an enemy headquarters and manned by a powerful force of Germans with rifles, machineguns, and 4 field pieces. One platoon made a frontal assault but was pinned down by intense fire from the house after advancing only 50 yards. So badly stricken that it could not return the raking fire, the platoon was at the mercy of German machine gunners when Pfc. Stryker voluntarily left a place of comparative safety, and, armed with a carbine, ran to the head of the unit. In full view of the enemy and under constant fire, he exhorted the men to get to their feet and follow him. Inspired by his fearlessness, they rushed after him in a desperate charge through an increased hail of bullets. Twenty-five yards from the objective the heroic soldier was killed by the enemy fusillades. His gallant and wholly voluntary action in the face of overwhelming firepower, however, so encouraged his comrades and diverted the enemy's attention that other elements of the company were able to surround the house, capturing more than 200 hostile soldiers and much equipment, besides freeing 3 members of an American bomber crew held prisoner there. The intrepidity and unhesitating self-sacrifice of Pfc. Stryker were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service.

[Bluffcove]

9 copy and paste citations from the CMH back catalogue since I first asked my simple question that requires no researc, merely a yes or no answer.

25 overall so far and counting no sign of an answer.
May it be said he is avoiding the question yet?



That is true Mr. Schätzer, it is a light rifle, and as such, it did not shoot pistol ammunition. Albiet a weak rifle, but effective at it's maximum effective range, as are all weapons. It may not be effective at 600m, like a standard or sniper rifle, but it was a dandy little weapon.


does this quote mean that a standard rifle is effective at 600 metres unlike the M1 carbine, IRONMAN?

[Cyb]

The best fighter ace of America and the U.K. was a South African YAY! LOL :D

Do you have any info on this person???

Top Finland ACE WWII is Ilmari Juutilainen with 94 Victories.

Most victories obtained flying the Dutch made Fokker D.XXI's a plane which is also made known by the Dutch WWII Ace Cor Roos who on his last flight took out 12 Focke Wulfs 190's and ME-109's before crashing into the ground with his guns still blazing during the first week of the war on the Netherlands.

Check the links below if interested:

Finish Ace = http://www.sci.fi/~fta/finace01.htm

Dutch Ace = http://home.tiscali.be/ed.ragas/

Fokker D.XXIs = http://www.saunalahti.fi/veijju/ma03.html

[Cyb]

Dumb dumb dumd, mixed the South African Ace up with the Finish one

South African ace was Squadron Leader M.T. St. J. Pattle with 41 Victories while flying for South Africa.

Another South African Ace was Marmaduke Pattle+ with 51 confirmed victories while flying for RAF. (Check 2 links below)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWpattleM.htm
http://web311.pavilion.net/2WWpattleM.htm

German Ace was Major Erich Hartmann with a stunning 352 confirmed victories.

Hiroyishi Nishizawa was the Japanese Ace with 87 victories.

Russia had Ivan Kozhedub with 62 confirmed victories.

Major Richard I. Bong was the US Ace with 40 victories

Here's a good link with a nice overview for more aces

http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/aces.htm

[Cyb]

While I'm at it... another hero in an untapped field in this topic. The resistance fighters.

Hermine Santrouschitz, more commonly known today as Miep Gies. She risked her life to save the lives of others. She hid Anne Frank and her family and many others from the Nazis, providing them with food and other necessities, as well as news from the outside world. Most of all, she provided them with courage, hope, and a friendship that will never be lost.
I think that being able to make a difference in someones life and taking advantage of that opportunity is what makes a hero

[Dani]

Also a good link for WW2 aviation aces is:
http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/ww2.htm

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

Not exactly a soldier, but I think Kurt Student deserves recognition. He came up with the original idea for Paratroopers, but his idea failed. Germany first used Paratroopers in the invasion of Crete, but due to faulty intelligence, was a huge diaster for the German Army. After that, Adolf Hitler swore never to use paratroopers in such a large scale operation. But anyway, it's due to Kurt Student that the world now has Para Troops.

[Cyb]

True, Kurt Student did come up with the idea as far as my knowledge go's.
His original plan to use Paratroopers was over Den Hague in the Netherlands.
Kurt set up a daring plan to capture the Royal family to end the war in Holland quickly (Hmmm... or lets say even quicker than it did).
But fortunately for the Dutch the royal family already had chickened out to the UK, leaving the Army in rule to defend the kingdom with obsolete army gear dating back as far as the the Napoleonic war... (Funny to look back at now, but it wasn't at that stage)