Favorite American Gun

[Gen. Sandworm]

My favorite gun was the Colt 45 pistol. This was the AK-47 of hand guns. Funny enough the Colt 45 was the the standard issue sidearm of the USArmy from 1911 to 1984. It saw little changes over this time frame. Great gun and I think it looks cool too.

http://www.civil-defence.org/products/ballistics/photos/firearms/colt45.jpg
COLT 45

The Americans did produce alot of effective guns during WW2. My 2nd favorite American gun was the Thompson sub machine gun. Mean weapon, a bit heavy and expensive to make, but had great stopping power. Plus it was a favorite of the gangsters as well :)



http://www.auto-ordnance.com/images/vg_final.jpg

[South African Military]

Mean weapon, a bit heavy and expensive to make, but had great stopping power. Plus it was a favorite of the gangsters as well :)


ya thats for sure.

I would have to go with the thompson for being my favorite American gun.

[Cactus]

Oh Making me pick just one? :D
Well I would have to say the BAR then I guess.
Thompson is nice for my favorite allied sub-machine gun. However for laying down some heat I would go with the BAR. :lol:

[South African Military]

My favorite gun was the Colt 45 pistol. This was the AK-47 of hand guns. Funny enough the Colt 45 was the the standard issue sidearm of the USArmy from 1911 to 1984. It saw little changes over this time frame. Great gun and I think it looks cool too.


Im not quite sure about this, but I think the Russians took the Colt .45 and then redesigned it to make slightly better. I dont know what they changed though. Can someone please fill the gap?

[TexWiller]

i'll say M1 Garand.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Im not quite sure about this, but I think the Russians took the Colt .45 and then redesigned it to make slightly better. I dont know what they changed though. Can someone please fill the gap?

I dont think the Americans changed much besides adding better structual parts and increasing the angle of the handle.

[South African Military]

Im not quite sure about this, but I think the Russians took the Colt .45 and then redesigned it to make slightly better. I dont know what they changed though. Can someone please fill the gap?

I dont think the Americans changed much besides adding better structual parts and increasing the angle of the handle.

You mean Russians right?

[Gen. Sandworm]

No I mean the Americans. They made very slight changes to the Gun over the years. Im not sure what the Russians did but they had a very similar looking gun. Not sure if that is the one you talking about or not.

[South African Military]

ya, the russians changed it. mmm, i wonder where i can get that information.

[Gen. Sandworm]

i'll say M1 Garand.

Great weapons as well. My favorite weapon to use in any WW2 game...gimme that and the Thompson and im pretty lethal. :twisted:

[South African Military]

i'll say M1 Garand.

Great weapons as well. My favorite weapon to use in any WW2 game...gimme that and the Thompson and im pretty lethal. :twisted:

Just give me the Bren and Illl kick your arse LOL :lol:

[Gen. Sandworm]

i'll say M1 Garand.

Great weapons as well. My favorite weapon to use in any WW2 game...gimme that and the Thompson and im pretty lethal. :twisted:

Just give me the Bren and Illl kick your arse LOL :lol:

Your on!!! Prepare to die. :D

[Preatorian]

ya, the russians changed it. mmm, i wonder where i can get that information.
I guess you talking about russian TT (Tulskiy Tokareva) pistol. http://gunsite.narod.ru/tt.gif
Yeah, this thing looks very simular with Colt M1911A2, but not Colt was "father" of this gun.
Offcourse, TT used simular mechanical idea with Colt M1911A2, patented by John Moses Browning. And TT looks more equal with earler Brownings handgun, FN 1903.
http://eko-czao.narod.ru/ball/pistol/brauning1903/brauning1903-1.jpg

By the way, TT was used in Soviet Army from 1930 till late 60's.
TT use cartriges сal. 7.62x25 мм, practicaly equal Mauser's cartriges 7.63x 25 from C-96 handgun.

[Preatorian]

i'll say M1 Garand.

Great weapons as well. My favorite weapon to use in any WW2 game...gimme that and the Thompson and im pretty lethal. :twisted:

Just give me the Bren and Illl kick your arse LOL :lol:
Okay, okay... can i shoot somebody there with my favorite FG-42 or Johnson LMG M1941, can't i ? :wink: :lol:

[South African Military]

if any game allows u to use the Johnson LMG (wich ive never heard of) FG-42 you can tho.

[Preatorian]

... Johnson LMG (wich ive never heard of) ....
It's no wonder.
Johnson auto rifle and Johnson LMG was never adopted as official USA Army weapon. But US marines used some quantity of Johnson M1941 rifle and Johnson M1941 and M1944 LMGs.
Not a lots information about Johnson's LMG (i hawe got once take this LMG in hand few years ago in USA, TX, and hawe great material in Guns'n'Ammo magazine, but no information in Internet).
This site more about M1941 Johnson auto rifle and Johnson himself, but there page about LMG too: http://www.johnsonautomatics.com/combatuse.htm
http://www.johnsonautomatics.com/lmg.jpg

There is Guns magazine dec. 2000 by Robert Bruce article about M1941 - very good material about M1941 : http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_12_46/ai_66491975

[Gen. Sandworm]

Looks like a pretty mean LMG.

[savoy6]

the first special service force loved the johnson LMG.they got their's from the marine raider units in a trade for some plastic explosives.the johnson rifle saw less use than the reising SMG and that says not much.

[lieutlienant Vorontsov]

My favorite gun from the U.S.A. is Tomson, and rifle M1!

[Sturmtruppen]

30 cal machinegun hits everything,destroying it!.
grease gun was good because it was cheaper than tompson.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Do you think I should start a poll on this subject as well?

[Preatorian]

...
grease gun was good because it was cheaper than tompson.
Oh, right !!! :D
M3/M3A1, aka Greasу Gun, .45 ACP, simple, cheap and reliable thing.
Was prodused by GM Corp. from 1942 (M3), then was simplified in 1944 (M3A). Very usable SMG for close combats and for non-battle personell, as tank/car crews for example.
Was in service in US Army from 1942 till end of 60's.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/m3.jpg

[Sturmtruppen]

cool! i didn`t hear about Johnson LMG,great description praetorian

[Preatorian]

cool! i didn`t hear about Johnson LMG,great description praetorian
You welcome.
Guns - it was a part of my job and now is it a bit mania.

BTW - i wish you got in arms this M1941 LMG somehow (in USA you can found some quantity of it in private collections, offcourse, only in civilian semy-auto versions). Is it great feeling - this LMG finished as very expencive english-made hunter shootguns. Glance and fine. Polished and shinig. Usually parts war-made guns looks very utilitary - with signs of stamping, not polished - just instruments of war. But not Johnsons...
Today semy-auto Johnson's rifles still used as high accurate sporting rifles - these rifles and LMGs too was made with great quality.
And this quality was a one of reason why M1941 was never adopted as US Army rifle - price of M1941 was very high.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Started the poll.........think i got all the guns that I could gather sorry if i left any out. This poll should be on going so well see what people think. :D

[Preatorian]

Started the poll.........think i got all the guns that I could gather sorry if i left any out. This poll should be on going so well see what people think. :D
Yeah... how about M1941 Johnson autorifle :wink:
And M1917 (Lee Endfield 1914 for .303 cal) ?
And M1917 / M21 Winchester pump action shootgun (as well as Intaca shootgun)
I just kidding.
For me greatest weapon of US Army in WWII without doubts should be an M1 Garand.
In other words "My M1 does my talk" :wink:
In some situations i would use an BAR M1918.
In some - M1 Carabine.
And in any situation i must hawe Colt M1911A2 - greatest autopistol for any times. :wink:
If my weapons out of ammo and around no rocks to trow in enemies - okay, i agree to use Thomson or M3 :D (Just kidding again)
Or, probably, i'll need some of Winchester army's pump-actioneers M1917 (modification of Winchester mod. 94) or M21...
Hard to ansver. :lol:

[Sturmtruppen]

you know a lot about guns!.

did you hear about secret WW2 weapons?

well,im creating now a topic about it.

[Dani]

Thompson by far!!

[IRONMAN]

Yea, Preatorian knows a lot about weapons. He is a virtual encyclopedia on them.

As for shotguns Preatorian, I prefer Mossburg brand. I own one too. They are known for extreme reliability and lack of jamming. Although, Remington, Browning and Ithica are also excellent shotguns. Mossburg have been widley adopted by police forces here in the US and most police cars carry a Mossburg shotgun on the trunk.

I like the M1 Carbine the most of American weapons in WWII. Yes, I know, not too powerful at over 200 yards, but light, effective at up to medium range, not so much kick, and accurate. Great weapon for any kind of fighting at up to 200-250 yards distance.

[Preatorian]

Yea, Preatorian knows a lot about weapons. He is a virtual encyclopedia on them.

Thanks !

As for shotguns Preatorian, I prefer Mossburg brand. I own one too. They are known for extreme reliability and lack of jamming. Although, Remington, Browning and Ithica are also excellent shotguns. Mossburg have been widley adopted by police forces here in the US and most police cars carry a Mossburg shotgun on the trunk.

I got Mossberg few yeas ago, model 500, 12 gauge, 8 shells, and i sure - is it pretty good pomp-action gun, i can bet it.
But after time i sold my Mossberg and got Winchester Mod. 1300 (also 12 Gauge/8 shells) with composite stock. In one reason - i'm not hunter, can't shoot animals, 'cos they can't shoot in me, so, i need shootgun for selfdefence only, and my Win1300 a bit (700 gramm) lighter and more shorter than Mossberg 500 - it better for fight in bulding.

I like the M1 Carbine the most of American weapons in WWII. Yes, I know, not too powerful at over 200 yards, but light, effective at up to medium range, not so much kick, and accurate. Great weapon for any kind of fighting at up to 200-250 yards distance.
Is it matter of unfortunate design of bullet for .30 in WWII - cartrige got powder to shoot at more than 400 yards, but bullet speed fall aburptly after 200 meters (this 0.30 bullet in 1942 was just a bit modificated pistol-bullet). Mistake with aerodinamic's things. So, today with new cartrige you can use it better, i hope. Btw - ask your father, please, if it possible - maybe during Korean war US Army already got different cartrige for M1Car than same in WWII ? I can't belive that US Army don't fixed this problem.

[Firefly]

My favourite US gun is the 155mm Howitzer. The power in that thing is amazing, especielly if firing VT ammunition.

If I were to choose a small arm (i.e. not a gun) it would be the Garand I think, for no particular reason though, I just like the look of it.

[South African Military]

Wow, I see we are forgettiing about the M2A1-7 Flame Thrower.

Horrific death if you are ever the enemy and come accross this one. It was also used as a "psychological" weapon. Very destructive, and you must think of what to burn up before you fire, because the fuel is difficult to extinguish.

Of course the Flame Thrower gunner, is an easy target to hit. One shot on the fuel tank and he, and allot of the surrounding comrades will burst into flames.

http://www.defenseonline.com.cn/weapon/qwq/phq/Phq00003.gif

[Guderian9200]

Two veterans I talked to said the best weapon was the m1 grand and that the m1 cabine had to small a calber to do anything.

[Bladensburg]

They're the same calibre it's just that the carbine bullet is the wrong shape and the cartridge is too small.

[Cuts]

Wow, I see we are forgettiing about the M2A1-7 Flame Thrower.

Horrific death if you are ever the enemy and come accross this one. It was also used as a "psychological" weapon. Very destructive, and you must think of what to burn up before you fire, because the fuel is difficult to extinguish.

Of course the Flame Thrower gunner, is an easy target to hit. One shot on the fuel tank and he, and allot of the surrounding comrades will burst into flames.

http://www.defenseonline.com.cn/weapon/qwq/phq/Phq00003.gif

Bit of an aside SAM but you may know that the SADF had them on the books until fairly recently.
The Ack Pack, (racking my brain here but I seem to recall it's official designation was the No. 5 Mk 1.) was the Brit version, still a very effective wpn though, even allowing for the limited shots.

[Sturmtruppen]

the greasegun is very good,cheap,and using it,you have better acuracy than tompson.it was designed for crew,so,the weapon had purpose of a crew weapon or a infantry short range weapon.It was made in lots.

[DerMann]

Well my uncle was in the tank corp from about 1985-1989, and he was issued a Grease gun. He says it was the biggest piece of crap he'd ever seen, it was totally inaccurate. It wasn't because he was a bad shot, because he registered expert with the 1911 and M16, sharpshooter with grenades, and his team and him set the current record for his units for accuracy with the M-60 tank. But he did say that if you hit someting with it, it would leave a huge mark. I'm not sure what to think of it.

I prefer the Thompson, I've fired one in full-automatic, and it is the smoothest automatic I've ever fired. Sure it was costly, but you get what you pay for... the Cadillac of SMG's.

[Sturmtruppen]

Well my uncle was in the tank corp from about 1985-1989, and he was issued a Grease gun. He says it was the biggest piece of crap he'd ever seen, it was totally inaccurate. It wasn't because he was a bad shot, because he registered expert with the 1911 and M16, sharpshooter with grenades, and his team and him set the current record for his units for accuracy with the M-60 tank. But he did say that if you hit someting with it, it would leave a huge mark. I'm not sure what to think of it.

I prefer the Thompson, I've fired one in full-automatic, and it is the smoothest automatic I've ever fired. Sure it was costly, but you get what you pay for... the Cadillac of SMG's.

excuse me dermann,the tompson is more accurate than the greasegun?

[DerMann]

At a range of about 30-40yd's, I hit a bucket 25/30 time doing 5 round bursts.

[Cuts]

excuse me dermann,the tompson is more accurate than the greasegun?

Yes Erwin I'd say so.
The bbl is a bit longer than the M3's, (2½" normally,) it's a lot heavier so in R&R it's much easier to hold on target.
However I'd hate to have had to carry one into battle, not because of reliability just due to the weight.

I know a chap that was in Combined Ops during WWII and he says carried the 1928 model with a 100 rd mag plus two fifty rd mags in pouches for raids on northern France.
This is over and above boxed rounds for reloading and other special to role eqpt !
If all goes well for a raid then no problems, but if you're walking from Normandy to Berlin it might get to be a pain in the behind !

[Sturmtruppen]

thanks for the replies! :)

[DerMann]

I know a chap that was in Combined Ops during WWII and he says carried the 1928 model with a 100 rd mag plus two fifty rd mags in pouches for raids on northern France.
This is over and above boxed rounds for reloading and other special to role eqpt !
If all goes well for a raid then no problems, but if you're walking from Normandy to Berlin it might get to be a pain in the behind !

Wow. About how much does a hundred round drum weigh?

I love the original 1928 Thompsons with the drum mags, those are the only ones you can call Tommy Guns :) . Also if you have the 1928 version, you would probably have the Cutts compensator, so even less recoil and muzzle climb.

[Firenze]

Spring Field......

[Man of Stoat]

Spring Field......

Ever fired one? They're a bit hard on the old shoulder...

[Gen. Sandworm]

Spring Field......

Ever fired one? They're a bit hard on the old shoulder...

Yea i should have put that one up when I started the poll. Poop. :(

[DerMann]

It's one word, Springfield. I haven't fired one, but my friend has two.

[Sturmtruppen]

looks like the favourite is garand,i voted for the grease gun,Cheap and loyal!

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

I like the M1 Garand, but off the list, i like the AR-15 and the M4, too bad tehy wernt around in WWII era.

[Matrix]

dont matter to me I like all

[Pavy]

Reising model 50
even though the marines hate it, i like it

[mike M.]

I agree..I like them all, but if I had to pick one it would be the BAR. Mike

[Sturmtruppen]

I agree..I like them all, but if I had to pick one it would be the BAR. Mike
welcome mike :D

[mike M.]

welcome mike :D


Thanks Erwin, Just found this site today, looks like a very cool place. Mike

[StalingradK]

I perfer the Thompson, those .45 APC bullets could shred through anything :twisted:

[Man of Stoat]

I perfer the Thompson, those .45 APC bullets could shred through anything :twisted:

err, no. They're pistol bullets which can be stopped by not terribly thick steel plate.

[Firefly]

I perfer the Thompson, those .45 APC bullets could shred through anything :twisted:


In your signature is the word loose?

Is it meant to read lose? As in not win, or were they setting loose the war?

[Firefly]

I perfer the Thompson, those .45 APC bullets could shred through anything :twisted:

err, no. They're pistol bullets which can be stopped by not terribly thick steel plate.

Or 2 inches of army Madeira cake.............

[StalingradK]

I didn't really mean ANYTHING, god some one you are so anal....

[Man of Stoat]

I didn't really mean ANYTHING, god some one you are so anal....

You said that they were very powerful & compared to rifle cartridges, they're not. We corrected you. Simple. Not anal at all! 8)

[South African Military]

I didn't really mean ANYTHING, god some one you are so anal....

Get used to it. Were not allowing any false statements. If you're wrong, you're going to be corrected.

[StalingradK]

Yeah looks that way doesn't it =/

[Hosenfield]

give me the greaser!!

[StalingradK]

You grease monkey :P

[mike M.]

My favorite Gun is the BAR. I wish it was legal to own in california. BUT my favorite gun I own is this M1 Carbine. Dated 1-43 and all original

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8561/carbine17wa.jpg

[StalingradK]

How much did that set you back?

[Bluffcove]

thats a beautiful assault rifle you've got there man :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[StalingradK]

I don't think that was an assault rifle was it? The first one in that day and age was the STG44 I think.

[mike M.]

Here is another close up pic. I bought it at a gun show in 1989 from an old man in palm Springs California, I paid $200.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4551/carbine57hq.jpg

[StalingradK]

TWO HUNDRED? :shock: You lucky devil you :o

[Man of Stoat]

I don't think that was an assault rifle was it? The first one in that day and age was the STG44 I think.

Of course it's not - that was a joke referring back to previous topics & Ironpan's rather twisted views on these things...

[StalingradK]

Oh... :D :D :D :D :D

[Bluffcove]

It is a good looking weapon though I agree, how much of it is still original? or is it reproduction in part?

[mike M.]

This carbine is 100% original. For whatever reason it was not issued.

[Pavy]

ahhh yes, the m1 carbine.
i have an m2. its dated 1951, used in korea
i have a class 3 liscense, so its legal ;)

[Izabig_d]

My fav weapon has to be the (BAR) Browning Automatic Rifle

Rate of fire: 500 rds/ min
Length o/a: 1219 mm
Weight: 7.28 kg
Barrel: 610 mm
Rifling: 4 grooves, rh
Feed system: 20- round box magazine

CARTRIDGE
30-06 US Service

IN PRODUCTION
1917-45

MARKINGS
Browning Bar M1918 cal 30 mfd

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

My fav weapon has to be the (BAR) Browning Automatic Rifle

Rate of fire: 500 rds/ min
Length o/a: 1219 mm
Weight: 7.28 kg
Barrel: 610 mm
Rifling: 4 grooves, rh
Feed system: 20- round box magazine

CARTRIDGE
30-06 US Service

IN PRODUCTION
1917-45

MARKINGS
Browning Bar M1918 cal 30 mfd

Yeah, the BAR is a pretty cool rifle, it had pretty decent use in the US Army as well.

[planebldr]

My personal favorite is the M1 Garand. I just picked up one from a guy getting out of the gun collecting thing. It is no where near original (pieces and parts from the armories before it went surplus). It is one of the smoothest semi-auto's I have shot(granted I haven't shot many), and is still accurate considering the barrel looks like a sewer pipe on the inside. My only complaint is that mine suffers from what some people call the 8th round jam. I often doesn't carry the 8th round into the chamber on its own sometimes.

[WaistGunner]

I had to a vote in for the Grease Gun. At roughly $20 dollars per they were able to be mass produced and their compact size made them invaluable in close quarters combat such as towns and hamlets. Their max effective range left a bit to be desired at approximately 100 yrds but then again they were a close quarters weapon. When I discharged from the Army in 1998 my unit still had three grease guns in use. I loved the things.

[cpl condor]

My favorite weapon is the Colt M1911, how many times was in service
in the US Army? And when its was retired, some of the officers still have it as your sidearm :arrow:

[PLT.SGT.BAKER]

Nobody likes the .30 machine gun.

Word is that the M1 has a greater velocity than the M-16. True?

[Gutkowski]

Word is that the M1 has a greater velocity than the M-16. True?


No the M16 has a higher velocity ,which is 3100fps
The M1 Garand is 2800fps

[Cuts]

Word is that the M1 has a greater velocity than the M-16. True?

The M1 being heaver will probably have a lower velocity, it just depends how hard you can throw them.

:wink:

[Gutkowski]

Word is that the M1 has a greater velocity than the M-16. True?

The M1 being heaver will probably have a lower velocity, it just depends how hard you can throw them.

:wink:
I bet you could get 25 feet out of that M16 LOL the Garand not so much the thing weighs 12 lbs

[Nickdfresh]

Started the poll.........think i got all the guns that I could gather sorry if i left any out. This poll should be on going so well see what people think. :D

Sorry if someone has mentioned this already, I haven't read the whole thread yet. But the WWI vintage Springfield .03-06 rifle was issued at the beginning of the war as a stop-gap measure as enough M-1s could not be produced until the end of 1942, mostly to the Marines, and it was probably used by the US Navy throughout the war in ship board armories. The rifle was then modified into a sniper rifle made famous in "Saving Private Ryan."

And oh yeah, I love the Tommy-gun. :twisted:

[Nickdfresh]

Nobody likes the .30 machine gun.

I think my first thread may be about that subject....

It must have been a disadvantage to have them, when compared to the MG-42s.

[DerMann]

The M1919 had an advantage over the Type 92 because the tripod the .30 cal used was much closer to the ground so the people using to it weren't as exsposed as the people using the Type 92.