Favorite WW2 Commander-Vote Dammit :)

[Gen. Sandworm]

Who do you think was the best commander of WW2? Might be best to split them into catagories. Army, Navy, Air Force.

[TexWiller]

i'll just say Erwin Rommel.

[TexanSkyraider]

Patton. What did Rommel ever do that lasted?

[WildBoar]

Lol Patton well Rommel was held back by hitler etc. so he did well considering that.

WHilst Patton was in charge of a numerically superior army which would have really had to mess up to lose.

The German commanders were years ahead of the rest but held back by the Rulers who wouldn't let them make decisions,For example D-day would quite possibly have ended in disaster for the Allies if the local Germann commanders had been allowed to deploy the available forces without seeking permission from Berlin.

[Gen. Sandworm]

I have to add Patton was held up by his big mouth so this probably puts him on the same level as Rommel insofar as problems in the background.

As far as the army goes....I have to say that Heinz Guderian is my favorite commander. Nobody did more to change the face of modern warfare than this man.

Naval commanders......I like Isoroku Yamamoto. Must have been hard to have planed such a successful attack that you knew was a really bad idea.

Air force.......that one is hard ill have to give it more thought.

[TexWiller]

plus,Rommel was a gentleman.

[Russischer Fritz]

Die besten Kommandeure es Gitler und Stalin! Die dummen Amerikaner. Immer prahlen in dienstlicher Angelegenheit!

:x

[Gen. Sandworm]

So how is Dresden looking these days?

[lieutlienant Vorontsov]

I say G. Jukov

[Russischer Fritz]

I say G. Jukov

поддерживаю! Ð*ОССИЯ ВПЕÐ*Ð�Д!!!!!!!!!

[lieutlienant Vorontsov]

Russischer Fritz you are Russian?

[South African Military]

Id have to say that Bernard Law Montgomery was best for the army. He began the offensive of El ‘Alamein, and did an excellant job defeating Rommel in North Africa. And also ruled sucessfully over troops in Europe.

[Russischer Fritz]

Russischer Fritz you are Russian?

Ja ja.. :)

[lieutlienant Vorontsov]

Ja ja..
Я тоже, тока Украинец

[Russischer Fritz]

значит Мы Вме�те!!!

[lieutlienant Vorontsov]

Russischer Fritz пролитарии в�ех �тран �нова �оедин�ют��!!

[Gen. Sandworm]

This seems to be a decent site for translating russian into english and vice versa.

http://www.rustran.com/socrat.php4

Just thought it might be useful for those that dont speak Russian.

Russischer Fritz do you miss the "old days" ???

[South African Military]

This seems to be a decent site for translating russian into english and vice versa.

http://www.rustran.com/socrat.php4

Just thought it might be useful for those that dont speak Russian.

Russischer Fritz do you miss the "old days" ???

links not found

[Gen. Sandworm]

Im thinking maybe Russischer Fritz and I were using the same site or sites run by the same people for our translations. The link is just down at the moment. Ill keep search and see if I find anything. Please post if you happen to find something as well.

[Russischer Fritz]

I use PROMT 7. In Russia all programs are cracked. We use all of them absolutely free of charge. For example Windows XP costs{stands} in Russia 2 $. You buy in any booth and you use yet will not bother :)..
Therefore dear friends, do not puzzle. I do not use the Internet for translation{transfer} :)

[Gen. Sandworm]

Did anyone have any Navy or Airforce commanders they liked?

[South African Military]

Did anyone have any Navy or Airforce commanders they liked?

Im afraid I dont know any.

[Dani]

Erwin Rommel - Desert fox :lol: :lol:

[HEINRICI]

i'll just say Erwin Rommel.
Although Rommel is not my first choice, I would say that he
was defeated not by the tactics of Bernard Law Montgomery,
but by the Royal Navy. He couldn't get any reinforcements or
supplies.

[Gen. Sandworm]

i'll just say Erwin Rommel.
Although Rommel is not my first choice, I would say that he
was defeated not by the tactics of Bernard Law Montgomery,
but by the Royal Navy. He couldn't get any reinforcements or
supplies.

Good point about the navy. Rommel did absolutely superb for what he had. I think he was a better commander than Monte who was a bit to cautious. Wonder if things might have changed much if Hitler had not interferred so much? Especially in Normandy. Then we might have seen how good Rommel actually could have been.

[South African Military]

i'll just say Erwin Rommel.
Although Rommel is not my first choice, I would say that he
was defeated not by the tactics of Bernard Law Montgomery,
but by the Royal Navy. He couldn't get any reinforcements or
supplies.

Good point about the navy. Rommel did absolutely superb for what he had. I think he was a better commander than Monte who was a bit to cautious. Wonder if things might have changed much if Hitler had not interferred so much? Especially in Normandy. Then we might have seen how good Rommel actually could have been.

Ya, Hitler really stopped Rommel in doing what he wanted to. But its hard to compare Montgomery with Rommel, directly. Its safe to say that Montgomery was the best commander of the allies, and Rommel the best of the Axis.

[Gen. Sandworm]

...... Its safe to say that Montgomery was the best commander of the allies, and Rommel the best of the Axis.

What about Patton? I think they were pretty evenly matched. Extremely opposing views on how to wage war. Lets not forget Patton race to Bastogne to help relieve the 101st airborne.

[Gen. Sandworm]

I added a poll that will run for 30days of the commanders that were listed under this topic so far. Sorry if your commander isnt there. Please vote and we will see who is King. :D

If this becomes popular ill do it again with more commanders.

[South African Military]

...... Its safe to say that Montgomery was the best commander of the allies, and Rommel the best of the Axis.

What about Patton? I think they were pretty evenly matched. Extremely opposing views on how to wage war. Lets not forget Patton race to Bastogne to help relieve the 101st airborne.

Ya Patton was good, but Montgomery was the mastermind of DDay. And he did a pretty good job in that. He also was the man in El Alamein, so thats two turning points in two campaigns.

[HEINRICI]

On offense, I'd want my commander to be 'Swift' Heinz Guderian.
On defense, I'd want the 'tough little bastard' Gotthard Heinrici.

[Gen. Sandworm]

On offense, I'd want my commander to be 'Swift' Heinz Guderian.
On defense, I'd want the 'tough little bastard' Gotthard Heinrici.

I think we are in agreement Heinrici.

For those that havent voted yet or would like me to add a commander to the next poll please let me know. This poll should run to May 6th or so.

[lieutlienant Vorontsov]

I liked Admiral Kuznetsov, Denits, Reder.

[Gen. Sandworm]

I liked Admiral Kuznetsov, Denits, Reder.

Dont know any thing about Admiral Kuzentsov.....could you tell more.

Another good commander was the head of the German special forces Otto Skorzeny.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERskorzeny.htm

[Sturmtruppen]

ROMMEL IS THE BEST!

[Gen. Sandworm]

Would appear that we have a stalemate between Rommel and Guderian at the moment. Also list any other Commanders that you think where good for the next poll.

[Komissar Ombrok]

I'm bet on the famous triade of Vasilevskiy, Rokossovskiy, Konev

[FarraoN]

Патриотические чувства требуют чтобы я сказал Жуков, but I think Rommel was the best.

[IRONMAN]

I think Montgomery proved his worth in Africa. It was a glorious victory. The Germans having the better tanks ended up meaning nothing.

[2nd of foot]

Slim achieved far more with far less.

He was a very good strategic thinker and was ahead of his time in many ways. He had thought and planed the use of air power to support his troops in future op when at Staff College in the 20s/30s. As a commander and a leader he had none of the failings of others commanders. Being in the public eye and showing how great he was, was not one of his failing like some of the commander. It also shows a lot about him that he does not appear in you list.

Look him up.

[reiver]

Slim achieved far more with far less.

He was a very good strategic thinker and was ahead of his time in many ways. He had thought and planed the use of air power to support his troops in future op when at Staff College in the 20s/30s. As a commander and a leader he had none of the failings of others commanders. Being in the public eye and showing how great he was, was not one of his failing like some of the commander. It also shows a lot about him that he does not appear in you list.

Look him up.
I'd have to go along with that.
If Slim was good enough for Mountbatten to call him "the finest general World War II produced", who am I to argue with the Supreme Commander, South East Asia?

http://www.burmastar.org.uk/slim.htm

[2nd of foot]

Then Slim relates at one critical point in the retreat in a jungle clearing he came across a unit which was in a bad way. "I took one look at them and thought "My God, they’re worse than I supposed." then I saw why. I walked round the corner of that clearing and I saw officers making themselves a bivouac. They were just as exhausted as their men, but that isn’t my point. Officers are there to lead. I tell you, therefore, as officers, that you will neither eat, nor drink, nor sleep, nor smoke, nor even sit down until you have personally seen that your men have done those things. If you will do this for them, they will follow you to the end of the world. And, if you do not, I will break you."

This is why he is one of the best.

[Tubbyboy]

Then Slim relates at one critical point in the retreat in a jungle clearing he came across a unit which was in a bad way. "I took one look at them and thought "My God, they’re worse than I supposed." then I saw why. I walked round the corner of that clearing and I saw officers making themselves a bivouac. They were just as exhausted as their men, but that isn’t my point. Officers are there to lead. I tell you, therefore, as officers, that you will neither eat, nor drink, nor sleep, nor smoke, nor even sit down until you have personally seen that your men have done those things. If you will do this for them, they will follow you to the end of the world. And, if you do not, I will break you."

This is why he is one of the best.

That quote should be read by all officers every single morning.

[Walther]

Another one I would suggest is Omar Bradley, I understand tha he was very much liked by his soldiers for his modest ways.

Jan

[LargeBrew]

How about Cpt Johnny Walker, It's easy to forget that the longest and most decisive engagement of WW2 was the battle of the Atlantic (1939-1945)
Mjr Orde Wingate DSO, a commander who really knew how to think outside the box. Operating with niether front line or rear and with re-supply by air only. His opperations in Burma may not have led to stregic gains but the effect on the moral of the Japanese soldier was a turning point in the far east.

[South African Military]

Slim achieved far more with far less.

He was a very good strategic thinker and was ahead of his time in many ways. He had thought and planed the use of air power to support his troops in future op when at Staff College in the 20s/30s. As a commander and a leader he had none of the failings of others commanders. Being in the public eye and showing how great he was, was not one of his failing like some of the commander. It also shows a lot about him that he does not appear in you list.

Look him up.

Slim, now he sounds like a really good cammander. Not following the usuall tactics of the time, he created his own unique offensive, his plans worked almost perfectly.

more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Slim%2C_1st_Viscount_Slim

[Gen. Sandworm]

Edited the poll so it will be continous. Rommel won the first round.

[Sturmtruppen]

rommel rules

[DerMann]

Patton defeated Rommel with green troops, the American military had not been in combat since November 1918. Rommel had been fighting through North Africa and had the elite Afrika Korps behind him. Not to mention Rommel didn't have to deal with the Sherman tank. And after all Patton's army made the fastest largest advance in all of history. And Patton killed two of Pancho Villa's guards with a Colt SAA, after his men had all missed with their Springfields.

[Guderian9200]

I wil have to vote for guderian. The whole reason why ww2 was filled with tanks was because of him. He also gave germany all their tank tactics.

[Canaris]

Montgomery and Patton both had very good PR and were both their own greatest fan. Personally this puts me off. Montgomerry's greatest achievement was El Alamain (sp?) he waited until he had built up enough reserves and logistics so that he could not have failed. This was commendable as he managed to stave off political pressure to attack when most other commanders would have bent. However in Normandy I think he was not exaclty too cautious but to deliberate and attritional. Patton on the other hand was more opportunist and aggresive and this paid off in France and at the Rhine. Having said that if Patton had commanded the 8th Army in Africa he probably would have attacked too early and come unstuck.
I think Slim will always be the British Army's favourite General.

Romel was agood general but Guderian, Manstein and Kesslering (who was air force btw) were all better than him IMHO.

[Gen. Sandworm]

Romel was agood general but Guderian, Manstein and Kesslering (who was air force btw) were all better than him IMHO.

I knew Kesselring was in the Air Force but why was he commanding troops in Italy???? Dont get me wrong it was a wise decision. He was probably one of the best defensive Generals the Germans had.

[student-scaley]

I think one of the best naval commanders of the war has to be Yamamato. Yamamato(i hope i've spelled this right) knew he couldn't win the pacific war with japan's navy even though it was good it had some vital flaws those being lack of supplies for one. Even though all this hindered him the attack on pearl harbour was (unfortunately) very well planned and was apple to disable part of the 7th fleet for a while giving him enough time to achieve some successes before the full weight of the American industrial complex could be brought to bear.

[DerMann]

And then he was shot down by a squadron of P-38's while in his transport plane...

My favorite naval commander was long dead by WWII, Lord Horatio Nelson :P

[student-scaley]

Well of course Nelson, the greatest naval commander to have lived. And just to show off he beat those damn frenchies with only one eye, one arm and whilst dying. Top form! :D

[reiver]

Well of course Nelson, the greatest naval commander to have lived. And just to show off he beat those damn frenchies with only one eye, one arm and whilst dying. Top form! :D

Ok, pedantry time, but I'm a major Nelson fan.
He always had two eyes.
He was blinded in one (the right) but never lost it. Wore a shade on occasion, never a patch.
And trivia time too :)..he lost his arm and his sight in land battles, not at sea.

(edit for spelling)

[student-scaley]

Well of course Nelson, the greatest naval commander to have lived. And just to show off he beat those damn frenchies with only one eye, one arm and whilst dying. Top form! :D

Ok, pedantry time, but I'm a major Nelson fan.
He always had two eyes.
He was blinded in one (the right) but never lost it. Wore a shade on occasion, never a patch.
And trivia time too :)..he lost his arm and his sight in land battles, not at sea.

(edit for spelling)

Sir, I apologise for my most gevious errors in my facts regarding Nelson. I shall self-flagellate myself and resign my commission(once i get it) forwith.
yours,
Student-scaley KFS, TLA, MIA(bar), Order of the dirty Bath, Lazy student order 1st class, Queens medal for actions against her enemies(ironman)1

[Bladensburg]

Steady lad, steady, you're in danger of becoming a parody of a parody. :lol:

[Sturmtruppen]

I'm a major Nelson fan.
He always had two eyes.
I have two eyes :roll:

[festamus]

I think one of the best naval commanders of the war has to be Yamamato. Yamamato(i hope i've spelled this right) knew he couldn't win the pacific war with japan's navy even though it was good it had some vital flaws those being lack of supplies for one. Even though all this hindered him the attack on pearl harbour was (unfortunately) very well planned and was apple to disable part of the 7th fleet for a while giving him enough time to achieve some successes before the full weight of the American industrial complex could be brought to bear.

Indeed. Yamamoto - inspired by the British, no less (their 1940 action at Taranto) was certainly very gifted, must have known as soon as he knew the "score" from Pearl Harbor that Japan was, sooner or later, going to get well and truly shafted by the US. When the IJN hit Pearl, they caught lots of ships in port, but not the ones they *really* wanted - the three fleet carriers stationed there: not one of the three carriers was in port at the time! Instead, they got around a dozen warships, scores if not hundreds of aircraft and a couple of thousand men. A terrible blow to the US, but not the one the Japanese needed.

Given the near irrelevance of the Battleship in the Pacific in WWII, for much more than NGFS, sinking battleships at Pearl wasn't the knock out blow that sinking the carriers could have been. One does wonder if this was purely good fortune on the part of the Americans, or if more than luck was at play...

But perhaps that's one for conspiracy theorists rather than right minded people such as ourselves.

[Gen. Sandworm]

I think one of the best naval commanders of the war has to be Yamamato. Yamamato(i hope i've spelled this right) knew he couldn't win the pacific war with japan's navy even though it was good it had some vital flaws those being lack of supplies for one. Even though all this hindered him the attack on pearl harbour was (unfortunately) very well planned and was apple to disable part of the 7th fleet for a while giving him enough time to achieve some successes before the full weight of the American industrial complex could be brought to bear.

Indeed. Yamamoto - inspired by the British, no less (their 1940 action at Taranto) was certainly very gifted, must have known as soon as he knew the "score" from Pearl Harbor that Japan was, sooner or later, going to get well and truly shafted by the US. When the IJN hit Pearl, they caught lots of ships in port, but not the ones they *really* wanted - the three fleet carriers stationed there: not one of the three carriers was in port at the time! Instead, they got around a dozen warships, scores if not hundreds of aircraft and a couple of thousand men. A terrible blow to the US, but not the one the Japanese needed.

Given the near irrelevance of the Battleship in the Pacific in WWII, for much more than NGFS, sinking battleships at Pearl wasn't the knock out blow that sinking the carriers could have been. One does wonder if this was purely good fortune on the part of the Americans, or if more than luck was at play...

But perhaps that's one for conspiracy theorists rather than right minded people such as ourselves.

I find it odd that no one has voted for him yet.

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

Even tho Patton defeated Rommel, he's still the coolest Nazi Reichsmarshall. Definately my favorite.

[pdf27]

If we're going to include air/naval commanders, I'd say Keith Park (in charge of No. 11 Group during the battle of Britain and didn't put a foot wrong) and Andrew Cunningham (almost up there with Nelson IMHO) deserve inclusion. No idea what Montgomery is doing in that poll though - far too good a publicist and bad a general (again, IMHO).

[Crab_to_be]

We should add William Slim (Field Marshal the Viscount) and Arthur Tedder (Marshal of the Royal Air Force, Lord) to any future edition of this poll.

[South African Military]

If we're going to include air/naval commanders, I'd say Keith Park (in charge of No. 11 Group during the battle of Britain and didn't put a foot wrong) and Andrew Cunningham (almost up there with Nelson IMHO) deserve inclusion. No idea what Montgomery is doing in that poll though - far too good a publicist and bad a general (again, IMHO).

Montgomery a bad general? Did he not defeat Rommel in North Africa. He planed out El Alamein, which was a turning point. And he made the plans for D-Day.

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

If we're going to include air/naval commanders, I'd say Keith Park (in charge of No. 11 Group during the battle of Britain and didn't put a foot wrong) and Andrew Cunningham (almost up there with Nelson IMHO) deserve inclusion. No idea what Montgomery is doing in that poll though - far too good a publicist and bad a general (again, IMHO).

Montgomery a bad general? Did he not defeat Rommel in North Africa. He planed out El Alamein, which was a turning point. And he made the plans for D-Day.

Monty also partially thought up what was to become market garden. That Op. was a diaster and was the last allied loss of the war.

[pdf27]

Montgomery a bad general? Did he not defeat Rommel in North Africa. He planed out El Alamein, which was a turning point. And he made the plans for D-Day.
He beat Rommel in North Africa - after he had been given an overwhelming superiority in all forms of weaponry, had a very comprehensive submarine blockade of the enemy coast (100% casualty rates in Italian convoys were common!) and a major invasion in the enemy rear. Throw in these little facts and Alamein really doesn't look like such an impressive victory.
After D-Day, he did some good work but wasn't particularly impressive. Same applies to the drive into Germany - Arnhem was a failure (largely due to bad planning).

He may not be a particularly bad general, but he wasn't as good as some of his peers (Slim being the shining example). He was, however, a rather good self publicist - probably the main thing I hold against him.

[Sturmtruppen]

I think Rommel was much better,but everybody can loose a war,having a good general,because there are lots of factors,troops,supplies,climate...

so,montgomery wasn´t the best for defeating Rommel,because he had the conditions then.

[reiver]

Field Marshall William Joseph Slim, 1st Viscount Slim of Yarralumla and Bishopston
born , Aug. 6, 1891, Bristol, Gloucestershire, Eng.
died Dec. 14, 1970, London

http://img276.echo.cx/img276/6614/slim5mg.jpg

I know he isn't in the poll, but he should be.

[PzKpfw VI Tiger]

Field Marshall William Joseph Slim, 1st Viscount Slim of Yarralumla and Bishopston
born , Aug. 6, 1891, Bristol, Gloucestershire, Eng.
died Dec. 14, 1970, London

http://img276.echo.cx/img276/6614/slim5mg.jpg

I know he isn't in the poll, but he should be.

In March 1942, Slim was given command of BurCorps (consisting of the Indian 17th and Burmese 1st Division) in Burma, which was being attacked by the Japanese. Heavily outnumbered, he was soon forced to withdraw to India.

Having successfully brought the majority of his shattered command out of Burma, he took over XV Corps, which covered the coastal approaches from Burma to India, east of Chittagong. During this time he planned for a revolutionary new style of warfare—to negate the advantages the Japanese had in mobility on the offense and depth in defence. He also took to the task of training the rapidly-growing Eastern Army and restoring their confidence and abilities.

However, XV Corps was taken from him by Noel Irwin, the incompetent commander of Eastern Army. Slim had been planning for XV Corps' advance into the Arakan Peninsula for nearly a year. His plan involved indirect approaches, resupply by the air, concentration in the attack and defence and integration at all levels between air and ground forces—Irwin threw all this out of the window and just went for a traditional, direct attack—which went disastrously wrong. Irwin then stepped back and ordered Slim to retake control of XV Corps.

Once again, Slim was thrown in at the deep end with considerable portions of his corps already destroyed by the Japanese. Once again, Slim managed to extricate the majority of his force from a desperate situation.

Irwin initially blamed Slim for the disastrous Arakan Campaign, but justice was done and Slim was elevated to command the new Fourteenth Army—formed from IV Corps (Imphal), XV Corps (Arakan) and XXXIII Corps (reserve)—later joined by XXXIV Corps.

He quickly got on with the task of training his new army to take the fight to the enemy. The basic premise was that off-road mobility was paramount: Much heavy equipment was exchanged for mule- or air-transported equipment and motor transport was kept to a minimum and restricted to those vehicles that could cope with some of the worst combat terrain on earth. From now on there would be almost no non-combatants: All troops were trained to fight as infantrymen first and foremost. The new doctrine dictated that if the Japanese had cut the lines of communication, then they too were surrounded. All units were to form defensive 'boxes', to be resupplied by air and assisted by integrated close air support and armour. These boxes would then become the anvil, upon which the Japanese would be broken by the hammer coming down from the reserve formations.

This theory was put to the test in January 1944, when the Second Arakan Offensive was met by a Japanese counter-offensive, which quickly surrounded the Indian 7th Infantry Division and parts of the 5th Indian and West African 81st Divisions. The 7th Division's defence was based largely on the "Admin Box"—formed initially from drivers, cooks, suppliers, etc, who now fought as "Uncle Bill" had told them to do. They were supplied by air—negating the importance of their lost supply lines. The Japanese forces were then almost totally destroyed by the reserve divisions coming down from the north.

But the real test was now to commence—the Arakan had been a distraction. the main Japanese offensive was heading for Imphal—hundreds of miles to the north. Slim was initially caught off-balance, but rallied incredibly. He airlifted two entire veteran divisions (5th & 7th Indian) from battle in the Arakan, straight into another battle in the north. The Second Arakan Campaign was repeated on a much larger scale—desperate defensive actions were fought at places such as Imphal, Sangshak and Kohima, while the RAF and USAAF kept them resupplied from the air.

Once again, the Japanese were broken upon the anvil by the hammer that Slim brought against them from colossal distances. These were the first major land defeats ever suffered by the IJA.

In 1945, Slim launched his greatest gamble—a blitzkrieg-style offensive into Burma, with lines of supply stretching almost to breaking point across hundreds of miles of trackless jungle. The Irrawaddy was crossed (with the longest Bailey bridge in the world at the time—most of which had been transported by mule and air) and the city of Meiktila was taken, followed by Mandalay. The Allies then switched to a mobile defence, sallying out and breaking Japanese attacking forces in isolation, maintaining the initiative at all times, backed up by possibly the best air-land co-operation seen in WWII—fully integrated air resupply and close air support, performed by both RAF and USAAF units.

With virtualy all major Japanese formations in Burma crushed, Rangoon was taken by a textbook combined land/air/sea operation in May 1945.

Nice record. :D

[Man of Stoat]

Please please please don't just post large tracts from other places (wikipedia, nationmaster etc.) as your own! Post the link, and any highlights.

FYI, the link to that is: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/William-Slim

[Sturmtruppen]

Please please please don't just post large tracts from other places (wikipedia, nationmaster etc.) as your own! Post the link, and any highlights.

FYI, the link to that is: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/William-Slim
come on stoat!,don´t be jealous,he posts good works,they aren´t copyrighted,so,what´s the problem?.

[Man of Stoat]

Please please please don't just post large tracts from other places (wikipedia, nationmaster etc.) as your own! Post the link, and any highlights.

FYI, the link to that is: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/William-Slim
come on stoat!,don´t be jealous,he posts good works,they aren´t copyrighted,so,what´s the problem?.

It's not a question of jealousy (any idiot can cut and paste) - it's plagerism. It's bad manners to the actual author(s). Bad internet etiquette, and rude to those of us who have posted long pieces of our own work.

EDITED TO ADD:

It's not a problem if a link to the original is provided!

[Sturmtruppen]

most of us posted our own work,and other works too,with links,if he didn´t put a link,you just search it on google and done.

Man,he is doing a great job posting and doing threads in this forum.MORE THAN SOME OF US :!: .

yes,it´s better to put the link,but he can edit posts then.Im not the mod of this topic,so,this is out of my hands.

[Crab_to_be]

I'm with Stoat here. Wherever I have posted work that is not my own, I have referenced it. It's an important thing to do. When reading posts on this site, I make an assessment based on many things and one of them is the history of the poster. Not referencing work makes this harder.

Without meaning to be rude to PKW, I know where to find the Wikipedia. I also know how to use google. Simple cut and pastes from internet source aren't actually contributions. Adding your own thoughts, opinions and analysis, supported by evidence from other sources, is the type of contribution that keeps this site interesting.

Finally, thanks to he who brought up Field Marshal Slim again. I am of the opinion that he is one of the greatest commanders ever produced by the Empire. One could argue that he is one of the greatest commanders of all time, especially taking into account his evident mastery of all-arms warfare including the expert application of air power. Read "Defeat into Victory" and "Unofficial History", both by the Field Marshal.