Balloon attack against America

[FW-190 Pilot]

This is a brilliant idea to attack America heartland with high explosive, but many of them are off course and land in Canada instead. No damage is cause by these weapons.
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[WildBoar]

I believe I read somewhere that one of these devices managed to kill one or two people in America, a Farmer and family member or something like that.

[King_Nothing]

Out of about 9k Fugo's released only around 500 made it, 1 woman and 5 children killed when they moved a downed balloon causing it to explode.

[Gen. Sandworm]

I have to disagree that this was a good idea. More like a great idea to waste resources. The idea was that the bombs would start many fires around the US and Canada. Dont think this would have made that much of a difference even if more had landed. The US and Canada have plenty of forest fires every year and they are dealt with every year.

[HEINRICI]

I believe I read somewhere that one of these devices managed to kill one or two people in America, a Farmer and family member or something like that.
Two interesting side notes to the balloon attacks. One of them knocked out the power to the U.S. Nuclear Research facility in Oregon. Fortunately,
the generators for the building, which had never been tested, kicked on automatically, preventing a nuclear meltdown.
The Japanese debated using plague germ warfare using the balloons.
I guess they decided not to do it, because all those B29's would have retaliated in kind.

[Bluffcove]

This is a really interesting idea htey have here, amazing the ingenuity that desperation at a time of war will throw up, one feels that htere might be parallels with the pigeon guided bombs and bats that the USAF looked into reported elswhere on this site.

[Commando Jordovski]

Ah the Japanese Balloon bombs, an ideal secret way to bomb U.S.A, alot of launched over U.S.A but unfourtnatly for the japanese it was highly inaccurate and caused minor damage.

[StalingradK]

Yeah a family was killed in Washington (I think or Oregon) but the balloons were like the Anti-Tank Hand Grenades that the germans made. :lol:

[Commando Jordovski]

The whole family?, like how many people, do you know how mate ?

[Commando Jordovski]

Out of about 9k Fugo's released only around 500 made it, 1 woman and 5 children killed when they moved a downed balloon causing it to explode.

I read that, a mother and kids pulled a balloon down that was stuck and it went off.

[Pantera]

I have read,that was a way to Japan launch quimical weapons on USA in the end of the war.Japan had made many experiences with this kind of weapons,and i think that this could be a way to use them

[Firefly]

I have read,that was a way to Japan launch quimical weapons on USA in the end of the war.Japan had made many experiences with this kind of weapons,and i think that this could be a way to use them

And where did you read this O-Wise-One? Can I have a reference, or even point me in the direction?

[Hanz Lutz]

I have read,that was a way to Japan launch quimical weapons on USA in the end of the war.Japan had made many experiences with this kind of weapons,and i think that this could be a way to use them

No way ballons never hit american coast ,they will been shot down over the sea,and where you find that.

[Man of Stoat]

I think you'll find that some balloons with conventional bombs did indeed reach the west coast of the US:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/jbb.htm

One of the best kept secrets of the war involved the Japanese balloon bomb offensive, prompted by the Doolittle raid on Tokyo on April 18, 1942 as a means of direct reprisal against the U.S. mainland. Some 9,000 balloons made of paper or rubberized silk and carrying anti-personnel and incendiary bombs were launched from Japan during a five-month period, to be carried by high altitude winds more than 6,000 miles eastward across the Pacific to North America. Perhaps a thousand of these reached this continent, but there were only about 285 reported incidents. Most were reported in the northwest U.S., but some balloons traveled as far east as Michigan

[Hanz Lutz]

I think you'll find that some balloons with conventional bombs did indeed reach the west coast of the US:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/jbb.htm

One of the best kept secrets of the war involved the Japanese balloon bomb offensive, prompted by the Doolittle raid on Tokyo on April 18, 1942 as a means of direct reprisal against the U.S. mainland. Some 9,000 balloons made of paper or rubberized silk and carrying anti-personnel and incendiary bombs were launched from Japan during a five-month period, to be carried by high altitude winds more than 6,000 miles eastward across the Pacific to North America. Perhaps a thousand of these reached this continent, but there were only about 285 reported incidents. Most were reported in the northwest U.S., but some balloons traveled as far east as Michigan

Ok dont say they dont reach ,but ballons with hemical and biological materials dont be very useful ,maybe one hit coast or town but i think anyone alse cant ,american army destroyd them in air over the ocean or somealse .

[Tubbyboy]

I think you'll find that some balloons with conventional bombs did indeed reach the west coast of the US:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/jbb.htm

One of the best kept secrets of the war involved the Japanese balloon bomb offensive, prompted by the Doolittle raid on Tokyo on April 18, 1942 as a means of direct reprisal against the U.S. mainland. Some 9,000 balloons made of paper or rubberized silk and carrying anti-personnel and incendiary bombs were launched from Japan during a five-month period, to be carried by high altitude winds more than 6,000 miles eastward across the Pacific to North America. Perhaps a thousand of these reached this continent, but there were only about 285 reported incidents. Most were reported in the northwest U.S., but some balloons traveled as far east as Michigan

Ok dont say they dont reach ,but ballons with hemical and biological materials dont be very useful ,maybe one hit coast or town but i think anyone alse cant ,american army destroyd them in air over the ocean or somealse .

Read the highlighted part...



Dullard

[Man of Stoat]

I think you'll find that some balloons with conventional bombs did indeed reach the west coast of the US:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/jbb.htm

One of the best kept secrets of the war involved the Japanese balloon bomb offensive, prompted by the Doolittle raid on Tokyo on April 18, 1942 as a means of direct reprisal against the U.S. mainland. Some 9,000 balloons made of paper or rubberized silk and carrying anti-personnel and incendiary bombs were launched from Japan during a five-month period, to be carried by high altitude winds more than 6,000 miles eastward across the Pacific to North America. Perhaps a thousand of these reached this continent, but there were only about 285 reported incidents. Most were reported in the northwest U.S., but some balloons traveled as far east as Michigan

Ok dont say they dont reach ,but ballons with hemical and biological materials dont be very useful ,maybe one hit coast or town but i think anyone alse cant ,american army destroyd them in air over the ocean or somealse .

THERE WERE NO GODDAMN CHEMICAL OR BIOLOGICAL BALLOONS!

Only 1 appears to have been shot down, by a P38.

Read up on this subject before posting more dullardy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Balloon_Bombs

[Hanz Lutz]

OK OK ,but thats based on perhaps,maybe real thousands reached continent but we dont know that ,so we can tallk about that . :wink:

[Man of Stoat]

There weren't any, so what's to discuss? Or are you trying to start a "what if the balloon bombs had had biological or chemical warheads?" thread?

[Tubbyboy]

OK OK ,but thats based on perhaps,maybe real thousands reached continent but we dont know that ,so we can tallk about that . :wink:

I give up.

Thanks to the overwhelming horde of dullards and trolls that now populate this once fine site I will no longer try to reason with anyone.

I will stop reading any of the "factual" parts of the site and restrict myself to Off Topic and Site Feedback. I fear that even the Film/Book/Game pages would inflame my overwhelming desire to reboot my PC with an axe every time I read yet another ill-informed twat either ignoring the facts as laid out in front of them or defending an untenable point/attitude.

I am particularly sick of bone questions (especially "What if?"), lists copied and pasted from elsewhere and sodding polls!

I will leave all of you morons to rewrite history while trying desperately to boost your post counts up so that you can become "Lord High Generalissimo of the Site" with more medals than God. I wish you all the best of luck!

What happened to lurking on a site for a few months and reading all of the posts before making a few tentative posts of your own?

[Hanz Lutz]

OK OK ,but thats based on perhaps,maybe real thousands reached continent but we dont know that ,so we can tallk about that . :wink:

I give up.

Thanks to the overwhelming horde of dullards and trolls that now populate this once fine site I will no longer try to reason with anyone.

I will stop reading any of the "factual" parts of the site and restrict myself to Off Topic and Site Feedback. I fear that even the Film/Book/Game pages would inflame my overwhelming desire to reboot my PC with an axe every time I read yet another ill-informed twat either ignoring the facts as laid out in front of them or defending an untenable point/attitude.

I am particularly sick of bone questions (especially "What if?"), lists copied and pasted from elsewhere and sodding polls!

I will leave all of you morons to rewrite history while trying desperately to boost your post counts up so that you can become "Lord High Generalissimo of the Site" with more medals than God. I wish you all the best of luck!

What happened to lurking on a site for a few months and reading all of the posts before making a few tentative posts of your own?

Wait why you call me moron ,i dont tell nothing to you means if i dont desagrie with you i am moron ,and i dont want to become "Lord High Generalissimo of the Site" i am member on the others forums and there i have about 1190 post here thats not my wish,and who rewrite history if i dont disapprove with you i am not moron ,and i not rewriting history .

[Commando Jordovski]

OK OK ,but thats based on perhaps,maybe real thousands reached continent but we dont know that ,so we can tallk about that . :wink:

I give up.

Thanks to the overwhelming horde of dullards and trolls that now populate this once fine site I will no longer try to reason with anyone.

I will stop reading any of the "factual" parts of the site and restrict myself to Off Topic and Site Feedback. I fear that even the Film/Book/Game pages would inflame my overwhelming desire to reboot my PC with an axe every time I read yet another ill-informed twat either ignoring the facts as laid out in front of them or defending an untenable point/attitude.

I am particularly sick of bone questions (especially "What if?"), lists copied and pasted from elsewhere and sodding polls!

I will leave all of you morons to rewrite history while trying desperately to boost your post counts up so that you can become "Lord High Generalissimo of the Site" with more medals than God. I wish you all the best of luck!

What happened to lurking on a site for a few months and reading all of the posts before making a few tentative posts of your own?

Wait why you call me moron ,i dont tell nothing to you means if i dont desagrie with you i am moron ,and i dont want to become "Lord High Generalissimo of the Site" i am member on the others forums and there i have about 1190 post here thats not my wish,and who rewrite history if i dont disapprove with you i am not moron ,and i not rewriting history .

I dont think Clauss von stauffeberg ment any harm or to annoy anyone 8) :wink:
and it wasn't really called for to call everyone morons.

[Hanz Lutz]

Looks like Tubbyboy dont think like you .And i never call them moron never.

[Dani]

OK guys! DROP IT!!
Clauss von Stauffeberg and Commando Jordovski, nobody called you moron.
Tubbyboy doesn't said "Clauss, you moron..." or "Commando, you moron...".
Stop adding gas on fire!!

For your satisfaction, please read as follows:

Tubbyboy, in your statements, please do not post things that could be harmful for some users.

[Hanz Lutz]

ok :oops:

[Commando Jordovski]

Sorry Dani, will do :wink: :wink:

[Commando Jordovski]

The Japanese balloon bombs was one of the best kept secrets in the War, Some 9,000 balloons made of paper or rubberized silk and carrying anti-personnel and incendiary bombs were launched from Japan during a five-month period, to be carried by high altitude winds more than 6,000 miles eastward across the Pacific to North America. Perhaps a thousand of these reached this continent, but there were only about 285 reported incidents. Most were reported in the northwest U.S., but some balloons traveled as far east as Michigan.

There were other incidents involving balloon kills in U.S.A , On May 5, 1945, six picnickers were killed in Oregon when a balloon bomb they dragged from the woods exploded. The U.S. Government quickly publicized the balloon bombs, warning people not to tamper with them. These were the only known fatalities occurring within the U.S. during WWII as a direct result of enemy action.


http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/jbb.htm

[1000ydstare]

I like this site!!! :D

Arguements are good for the advancement of knowledge.

First of all, again, I have never found evidence in any archives that states that NBC devices were used in the balloons.

No one knows howmany were realeased but many would have crashed in to the sea. They were not a reliable weapon.

The yanks did indeed see them as a serious threat and they did do serious damage.

A whole para company (either 222 or 666) was deployed as fire jumpers to extinguish forest fires during 1944. Some of which would undoubtedly be started by these devices.

The company used, was the only all black, an in Negro, para trained company in the Army.

[Firefly]

I like this site!!! :D

Arguements are good for the advancement of knowledge.

First of all, again, I have never found evidence in any archives that states that NBC devices were used in the balloons.



Welcome Mate - its always good to have our knowledge advanced by an expert.

I like the sentance above - just a quick question - I assume that when you say again, and as this is your first post - that you are emphasising what others have said and in no way hint that you have already posted about this as someone else already?

[1000ydstare]

This is not my first post firefly.

However there is another thread in which someone claims the allies were going to drop an unconventional weapon on Berlin. I had posted that just previous to the above post.

Is it me or are there some very touchy people on this site?

[1000ydstare]

Can I use the word Negro? I have already upset someone with the word Nips.

[Hosenfield]

the moderators in this site don't really tolerate name calling, racism, stupidity, etc.

the politically correct term is "african american" but negro isn't racist.

[Man of Stoat]

the moderators in this site don't really tolerate name calling, racism, stupidity, etc.

the politically correct term is "african american" but negro isn't racist.

But that offends carribean-americans :shock:

Pleeeease don't go down the PC road - it will lead us nowhere.

[1000ydstare]

African American? What if they are in Britain? Are they British African Americans?

I hate all this PC drivvel!!!

[Sturmtruppen]

i guess you can,negro means black,as you speak english,why don't you use just africans/african descendents?.

DON'T DISCRIMINATE :wink: (advice for the future).
and GET IN TOPIC :wink:

[Cuts]

Can I use the word Negro? I have already upset someone with the word Nips.

If it's PC to say Caucasian (bio) then Negro or negroid should be fine.

[StalingradK]

Negro is offensive to a lot of black people, just call them black people, black persons really don't care about being called that. And don't say OH ITS POLICALLY CORRECT FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, you ever notice how the white people made up all this politically correct hibby-jibby?

[Sturmtruppen]

well,i see,and im agree with stalingradk,just call them blacks.
btw,why negro?

[StalingradK]

Negro is a term used a lot in the 50's when racism was at its primein the US.

[Sturmtruppen]

Negro is a term used a lot in the 50's when racism was at its primein the US.
Negro is black in spanish also

[StalingradK]

Yeah, but racists always turn something that means something else into something bad or degrading. Negro is like calling someone a black degenerate.

[Firefly]

This is not my first post firefly.

However there is another thread in which someone claims the allies were going to drop an unconventional weapon on Berlin. I had posted that just previous to the above post.

Is it me or are there some very touchy people on this site?

Yes

[Cuts]

Can I use the word Negro? I have already upset someone with the word Nips.


If it's PC to say Caucasian (bio) then Negro or negroid should be fine. Furthermore, 'Nips' is a contraction of Nipponese, any clown complaining about this has got to be a bit soft in the head as they never seem to think that 'Brits' is offensive !

Negro is offensive to a lot of black people, just call them black people, black persons really don't care about being called that. And don't say OH ITS POLICALLY CORRECT FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, you ever notice how the white people made up all this politically correct hibby-jibby?

Do you really think that it was only whites that made up political correctness ?
Now by the same reasoning that is a racist statement !

[1000ydstare]

Thanks to PC we no longer have Golly Wogs.

These were the mischievous characters in Noddy books. But because they were black, and had afro hair, they were seen as racist.

Noddy is now banned in Britian, after 50 years of entertaining children, because of the Golly Wogs, and because Noddy shares a bed with Big Ears.

Of course anyone reading the first book will know that Big Ears took noddy in when he had no where to go and was homeless. But Big Ears only had one bed in his BedSit house.

But any way.

Thomas the Tank Engine is also seen as sexist because all the steam trains are male and the carrages are female. There is one female train but she doesn't have any carrages so is seen as lesbian or something.

Oh and bob the builder has recently been abused because of not promoting the correct Health and Safety procedures on building sites.

But apparently Telly Tubbys are acceptable

I ask you, world gone bad.

Apologise to the non Brit viewers who may not have a clue about what I just mentioned!!1

In short Political Correctness is BLX!!!

[Man of Stoat]

But apparently Telly Tubbys are acceptable


But Dipsy (the green one) had a lighter face to start with - now he's got a darker one - so even that got PC'd - they're meant to be aliens, FFS!

[StalingradK]

Negro is offensive to a lot of black people, just call them black people, black persons really don't care about being called that. And don't say OH ITS POLICALLY CORRECT FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, you ever notice how the white people made up all this politically correct hibby-jibby?

Do you really think that it was only whites that made up political correctness ?
Now by the same reasoning that is a racist statement !

No it is not, learn what is racist and what is not, saying that white people mostly made up politically correct statements is true by the way, and NOT RACIST, god, it's like you're too afraid to be racist, so the first thing that involves saying ones' race, it's offensive.

[Cuts]

Ok my old china, I'm more than happy to be re-educated.
What, in your opinion, is racist and what isn't ?

[1000ydstare]

I was deployed with the SPAMs during Telic. I have never seen such a fundamentally raciest army/nation at base level. I say that because all this comes from somewhere, and I have seen, or been told about it, in a few other units.

They sat in ghettos in the chow hall, and our one and only black female (AGC clerk) was given the name and location of a Black dudes girlfriend if she ever wanted a night with "the sisters"!!!

Similarly things were said or implied to the whites for sitting with blacks and vice versa.

Racism is not itself racist, it affects all and can be conducted by all.

Oh yeah, the lunch time speaches that were conducted were outragious.

20 minutes while your trying to eat, especially if you were late and ended up sitting within ear shot, on such topics as

Black power, women in uniform, the gay soldier, the injustices against the american native peoples, blah, blah, blah.

Never once heard a speach on the hetrosexual white male, aged 18 to 40 in uniform.

[StalingradK]

Being racist is grouping someone and giving a HURTFUL steriotype. Being racist usually involves thinking your race is superior, or think that another race is inferior.

Damn, some people :roll:

[Cuts]

Being racist is grouping someone and giving a HURTFUL steriotype. Being racist usually involves thinking your race is superior, or think that another race is inferior.

Damn, some people :roll:

So by saying that "the white people made up all this politically correct hibby-jibby" is not grouping the whites together nor being hurtful or denigrating about their decisions ?
Besides being just plain wrong of course.

Edited to add:
I hope the word 'denigrating' isn't hurtful to anyone.
:wink:

[Commando Jordovski]

this has nothing to do with balloon bombs, no ones being rascist