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imi
05-06-2016, 12:42 PM
In the video in 3:56 the forensic doctor shows a handgun
I've never seen this pistol before
This is Adolf Hitler or Eva Braun suicide pistol?
What is the type of this weapon? (looks like a type of the Walther but I'm not sure)

The pistol
http://oi66.tinypic.com/dmfhn9.jpg

The full video (in german language)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6SiBOUQK_I

Nickdfresh
05-07-2016, 12:22 AM
I believe it was a Walther PPK in the 7.65mm (.32 ACP) caliber...

Nickdfresh
05-07-2016, 12:24 AM
A quick Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_PP#PPK) check confirms it...


"PPK" is an abbreviation for Polizeipistole Kriminalmodell (Police Pistol Detective Model), "kriminal" referring to the police detective (criminal) division.[3] Adolf Hitler shot and killed himself with his PPK (a 7.65mm/.32 ACP) in the Führerbunker in Berlin.[5] The Walther PPK pistol is famous as fictional secret agent James Bond's gun in many of the films and novels: Ian Fleming's choice of the Walther PPK directly influenced its popularity and its notoriety.[6][7] Fleming had given Bond a .25 Beretta 418 pistol in early novels, but switched to the PPK in Dr. No on the advice of firearms expert Geoffrey Boothroyd.[7][8][9]

imi
05-07-2016, 05:59 AM
I believe it was a Walther PPK in the 7.65mm (.32 ACP) caliber...

I also knew that Hitler's Walther PPK with a 7.65 caliber and had committed suicide with his Walther and by biting a cyanide capsule while shoot inside the head himself
Eva Braun was lying untouched gun on the table, she just took a cyanide capsule

But I was thinking two thoughts
But in the picture little bit different than other Walther pistols:

a) the gun trigger is solid (The Walther Company never made any model with solid trigger, only with normal trigger)

The second question

Hitler skull
http://oi63.tinypic.com/ou9ypu.jpg

Another baffling question of Hitler's skull, the photograph clearly shows two things:

The strange thing is for me the place of the bullet output or exit location, because it is located next to the Foramen magnum
Which rather seems as if the ball would have input or exit of the lower section of the back of the skull
Hitler and shot herself in the skull temple, so it is quite interesting position where the ball would have input or exit on the lower area of the skull

imi
05-07-2016, 08:04 AM
I ask gun experts says another forum,and this pistol is a third variation of a Walther Model 8 in 6.35 or 7.65 caliber (but Artur Axmann took Hitler handgun which later disappeared after becoming prisoners of war Axmann)

Walther Model 8
http://oi63.tinypic.com/v4szv4.jpg

More question it arises in the case
- Whose gun is it if not Hitler or Eva Braun gun? The forensic doctor from took out of the box which contains (in theory) Hitler skull and teeth are the video

imi
05-07-2016, 02:44 PM
Okay the mistery is solved probably!
- The gun is a third variant Walther Model 8, 6.35 caliber that is sure
- The gun is owned probably Eva Braun in the bunker

The only question that remains for me is not clear if Hitler shot himself in the temple, why the exit wound of the bullet at the bottom of the skull, next to the Foramen magnum hole?

Here is a interesting picture: this is the reenact position of Hitler and Eva Braun dead bodies after their suicide
http://oi68.tinypic.com/14oc961.jpg

Rising Sun*
05-08-2016, 11:18 AM
I believe it was a Walther PPK in the 7.65mm (.32 ACP) caliber...

IIRC, the Vietnam era Australian standard issue military 7.62mm SLR I used equated to a .308 (or .308W, depending on who you talk to) civilian round.

Assuming that 7.62 = .308 or thereabouts, a Walther PPK or anything else adding a mere .03mm to 7.62mm falls a long way short of .32.

Presumably this is just another calibre that is based on something other than common sense standardised measurements. Anyone know why?

tankgeezer
05-08-2016, 01:03 PM
Historically, the imperial system of firearms cartridges frequently causes frustration when figuring out which thing goes to which caliber. The .32 auto pistol cartridge is a perfect example of this confusing situation. In Europe, its called the 7.65 and sometimes has the case length in mm following. In the Imperial system, it is called the .32 auto, .32 a.c.p. or the .32 Browning.
In this case, the actual bullet diameter (caliber) is .312 to .314 inches. this makes it a .31 caliber, but the imperial system loves to round up, or down the numbers. The mentioned 7.62x51 Nato cartridge is with slight differences, a .308 Winchester, and considered to be a .30 caliber. .45 caliber pistols use .452 diameter bullets, and .45 Rifles use .458. The venerable .38 special is in truth, a .35 cal. (.357 dia) and a .380 is a 9mm with a short case on it. (.355 dia.) Even Dirty Harry's famed .44 Magnum is a somewhat less impressive .429.
The .32 auto uses the same diameter(though much lighter a bullet) as the .303 British, and the Japanese 7.7 Arisaka. The .32 winchester of long ago uses .321 " bullets, and the 7.92x57 Mauser uses .323" This was also a problem created by marketing, as no one wanted to, (or were allowed to by copyright, or patent )use something that would allow for mistakes in choosing the wrong MFG's product. So poor translation between Imperial, and Metric sizes, advertising ploys, or just lazyness on the part of the nomenclature folks, it's all a very confused mish-mash of numbers.

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 03:58 AM
Historically, the imperial system of firearms cartridges frequently causes frustration when figuring out which thing goes to which caliber. The .32 auto pistol cartridge is a perfect example of this confusing situation. In Europe, its called the 7.65 and sometimes has the case length in mm following. In the Imperial system, it is called the .32 auto, .32 a.c.p. or the .32 Browning.
In this case, the actual bullet diameter (caliber) is .312 to .314 inches. this makes it a .31 caliber, but the imperial system loves to round up, or down the numbers. The mentioned 7.62x51 Nato cartridge is with slight differences, a .308 Winchester, and considered to be a .30 caliber. .45 caliber pistols use .452 diameter bullets, and .45 Rifles use .458. The venerable .38 special is in truth, a .35 cal. (.357 dia) and a .380 is a 9mm with a short case on it. (.355 dia.) Even Dirty Harry's famed .44 Magnum is a somewhat less impressive .429.
The .32 auto uses the same diameter(though much lighter a bullet) as the .303 British, and the Japanese 7.7 Arisaka. The .32 winchester of long ago uses .321 " bullets, and the 7.92x57 Mauser uses .323" This was also a problem created by marketing, as no one wanted to, (or were allowed to by copyright, or patent )use something that would allow for mistakes in choosing the wrong MFG's product. So poor translation between Imperial, and Metric sizes, advertising ploys, or just lazyness on the part of the nomenclature folks, it's all a very confused mish-mash of numbers.

Thanks, TG.

Down here, we got rid of one and two cent coins years ago, with the law requiring that prices are rounded down or up to the nearest five cents, which seems reasonable.

The same approach would see the 7.65mm rounded down to .31, which is beyond common sense

My money is on advertising ploys and the commercial greed which spawn them being responsible for it being rounded up to .32.

I doubt any other industry would get away with such gross misdescriptions, e.g. you pay for 32 litres of petrol but get only 31, or pay for 32,000 metres of steel / timber / etc but get only 31,000.

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 04:26 AM
Even Dirty Harry's famed .44 Magnum is a somewhat less impressive .429.

With the greatest respect to a, until now, moderator of outstanding knowledge, ability and judiciousness, you are treading on thin ice when you say anything which diminishes Dirty Harry and his .44 Magnum, being the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off.

In the interests of avoiding a further decline in your statements about Saint Clint Eastwood which, I fear, could lead ultimately to disparaging comments about The Outlaw Josey Wales, and while it is not customary for one mod to warn another on the public board, I feel I must caution you to observe proper reverence for Dirty Harry, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Saint Clint's other expressions of all that is fine and good in police and, somewhat confusingly, outlaws. ;););) :D:D:D

imi
05-09-2016, 07:23 AM
With the greatest respect to a, until now, moderator of outstanding knowledge, ability and judiciousness, you are treading on thin ice when you say anything which diminishes Dirty Harry and his .44 Magnum, being the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off.

The 44 magnum is a powerful caliber until 2003, but nothing beats today a 500 Magnum :D (otherwise a close range shotgun shot is also effective to the head)

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 08:14 AM
The 44 magnum is a powerful caliber until 2003, but nothing beats today a 500 Magnum :D (otherwise a close range shotgun shot is also effective to the head)

To the extent that I can remember some brief forensic aspects in lectures and reading 40 or so years ago, a shotgun with the muzzle against the head will do more damage than just about any other small arm, not least because the large bore, large wad and shot are forced into the skull with an explosion of following explosive gas which is massive compared with rifled small arms, including side arms. That holds true for very short ranges of, perhaps, a few metres. The shotgun destruction is greater than a rifled small arm because the shot tends to expend its kinetic energy in a larger area of the human body than do many much smaller but much faster solid projectiles from rifled weapons, although rifled projectiles concentrate a shockwave in the organs which is also very destructive well beyond the path of penetration.

For example, at any range a fully jacketed rifled projectile hits the body at a higher velocity (feet or metres per second) than a shotgun shot round with its energy concentrated in a much smaller head than shotgun shot and, even as the rifled projectile deforms or tumbles or fragments as it hits tissue and bone, is more likely to continue through a given thickness of tissue and bone than shotgun shot. The rifled projectile will penetrate much further and on a narrower path than shot, but with greater shockwave damage to surrounding organs versus the wider penetration path of shot.

In most cases it doesn't matter what you're hit with much above a .22 if it's a standard military shot to the centre of the torso, or a full head shot, because there's enough critical organs in there that between penetration, shockwave, shock and infection that you're probably going to die sooner or later.

imi
05-09-2016, 08:35 AM
In most cases it doesn't matter what you're hit with much above a .22 if it's a standard military shot to the centre of the torso, or a full head shot, because there's enough critical organs in there that between penetration, shockwave, shock and infection that you're probably going to die sooner or later.

In most cases but sometimes there are exceptions in handguns when the bullet is not worth any vein or an area of the brain which cause death, only cripple to life

tankgeezer
05-09-2016, 08:37 AM
With the greatest respect to a, until now, moderator of outstanding knowledge, ability and judiciousness, you are treading on thin ice when you say anything which diminishes Dirty Harry and his .44 Magnum, being the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off.

In the interests of avoiding a further decline in your statements about Saint Clint Eastwood which, I fear, could lead ultimately to disparaging comments about The Outlaw Josey Wales, and while it is not customary for one mod to warn another on the public board, I feel I must caution you to observe proper reverence for Dirty Harry, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Saint Clint's other expressions of all that is fine and good in police and, somewhat confusingly, outlaws. ;););) :D:D:D

His Eminence, the right Honorable St. Harry's Virtue is well protected. As are that of all of his predecessors, Sir Josey of Wales, and Duke Joseph of Kidd. Even unto his progenitors of the middle ages.
Let us not forget his use of the Mssr's Smith& Wesson model 29 bestowed of the vigorous .44 Magnum cartridge, or his fondness for the Automag pistol in .44 AMP an even more potent cartridge.
It is rumored that St. Harry decended from one Harcourt Callahan,(pictured in a wood cut below) spoken of in low dulcet tones to have been the (unexpected) issue of King Henry V, and Maid of all work, Minerva Callahan. It is said that at this time, the penchant for powerful arms became the custom for the Callahan family.

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 09:00 AM
His Eminence, the right Honorable St. Harry's Virtue is well protected. As are that of all of his predecessors, Sir Josey of Wales, and Duke Joseph of Kidd. Even unto his progenitors of the middle ages.
Let us not forget his use of the Mssr's Smith& Wesson model 29 bestowed of the vigorous .44 Magnum cartridge, or his fondness for the Automag pistol in .44 AMP an even more potent cartridge.
It is rumored that St. Harry decended from one Harcourt Callahan,(pictured in a wood cut below) spoken of in low dulcet tones to have been the (unexpected) issue of King Henry V, and Maid of all work, Minerva Callahan. It is said that at this time, the penchant for powerful arms became the custom for the Callahan family.

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Note: All saints have their weak spots, and Saint Clint has some spectacular ones, notably the idiotic sequence towards the end of The Gauntlet where cops on either side of the bus shoot at it with gay abandon (I'm not suggesting the cops are gay, although some of them in some of Saint Clint's movies do look like they'd be happier in the Village People) and one of the all time great war (and it was a long way short of war) movie turkeys Heartbreak Ridge.

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 09:02 AM
To the extent that I can remember some brief forensic aspects in lectures and reading 40 or so years ago, a shotgun

Clarification.

I should have said 12 gauge shotgun, although if fired into you at close range a 20 gauge and even a .410 will still piss you off mightily.

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 09:09 AM
In most cases but sometimes there are exceptions in handguns when the bullet is not worth any vein or an area of the brain which cause death, only cripple to life

And you can be exceedingly lucky.

I recall back in the ?1970s? reading of a medical specialist attending a medical conference somewhere in America who woke up after being mugged in the street. He walked back to his hotel but found his headache unbearable.

After being X-rayed in hospital he was found to have several .22 slugs in his skull, all of which had missed critical areas.

Maybe they were .22 shorts, or sub-sonics, or fired from a weapon with imperfect sealing, but I'd expect that he wouldn't have survived several long rifle hollow points fired from a properly sealed weapon,

tankgeezer
05-09-2016, 09:12 AM
The 44 magnum is a powerful caliber until 2003, but nothing beats today a 500 Magnum :D (otherwise a close range shotgun shot is also effective to the head)

There are many newer. and more powerful cartridges in the .40 to .50 caliber range that are making the headlines these days. After the various iterations of the .44 Mag. revolver appeared, and there were many of them both in single, and double action, newer ideas came forward to take their rightful places, and some actually did. The .44 Automag was a very good idea, and the design well conceived. although it was let down by the lack of metallurgical technology take advantage of being made of Stainless Steel. This failing caused most of the pistols to suffer breakage of the more stressed parts, and led to it's dropping off the market in just a few years. It was chambered in two calibers, the .357 Automag, and the dread .44 Automag. The .44 AMP was more powerful than the old .44 Mag, and did account for many medium, and large game kills. (as long as nothing broke ) So passed the AutoMag pistol. Following this, came the Wildey, it was gas operated, and feaured a changeable barrel design that allowed for barrel length to be suited for use, from 5in. to 18 in. It was also offered in several calibers, the Dirty Harry worthy ones being. 44 Auto Mag
.44 Wildey Magnum
.45 Winchester Magnum
.45 Wildey Magnum
.475 Wildey Magnum
Although they seemed to work well enough, they were not entirely successful, probably due to price point.
Some time later, the Desert Eagle came along. Made by Magnum Research, a division of Israeli military industries, and chambered for a variety of calibers, the most memorable of which are the .44 magnum, and the .50 A.E. (Action Express) This pistol was an immediate hit, and remains so to this day. Everyone wants one, but few want to pay the $1,500 price tag. After these very cool firearms, we get into serious territory with the .458 Socom cartridge, and the .50 Beowolf.
The S&W .500 Mag is a thundering monster, as is its slightly milder brother the .460 Mag. I do recommend two hand shooting with either of these, as your wrists will get well stretched by either of them . I fired the .460 Mag once, and once was enough for me. (as it would be for an errant Bear, or Feral Boar. )

tankgeezer
05-09-2016, 09:23 AM
:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Note: All saints have their weak spots, and Saint Clint has some spectacular ones, notably the idiotic sequence towards the end of The Gauntlet where cops on either side of the bus shoot at it with gay abandon (I'm not suggesting the cops are gay, although some of them in some of Saint Clint's movies do look like they'd be happier in the Village People) and one of the all time great war (and it was a long way short of war) movie turkeys Heartbreak Ridge.

Agreed ! that was one of his less lustrous films, maybe that was because he didn't use his usual ensemble group we see in most of his films from the best, Josey Wales, High plains Drifter, to the goofy ones, the "Any which way" series, and Bronco Billy come to mind.

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 09:46 AM
There are many newer. and more powerful cartridges in the .40 to .50 caliber range that are making the headlines these days. After the various iterations of the .44 Mag. revolver appeared, and there were many of them both in single, and double action, newer ideas came forward to take their rightful places, and some actually did. The .44 Automag was a very good idea, and the design well conceived. although it was let down by the lack of metallurgical technology take advantage of being made of Stainless Steel. This failing caused most of the pistols to suffer breakage of the more stressed parts, and led to it's dropping off the market in just a few years. It was chambered in two calibers, the .357 Automag, and the dread .44 Automag. The .44 AMP was more powerful than the old .44 Mag, and did account for many medium, and large game kills. (as long as nothing broke ) So passed the AutoMag pistol. Following this, came the Wildey, it was gas operated, and feaured a changeable barrel design that allowed for barrel length to be suited for use, from 5in. to 18 in. It was also offered in several calibers, the Dirty Harry worthy ones being. 44 Auto Mag
.44 Wildey Magnum
.45 Winchester Magnum
.45 Wildey Magnum
.475 Wildey Magnum
Although they seemed to work well enough, they were not entirely successful, probably due to price point.
Some time later, the Desert Eagle came along. Made by Magnum Research, a division of Israeli military industries, and chambered for a variety of calibers, the most memorable of which are the .44 magnum, and the .50 A.E. (Action Express) This pistol was an immediate hit, and remains so to this day. Everyone wants one, but few want to pay the $1,500 price tag. After these very cool firearms, we get into serious territory with the .458 Socom cartridge, and the .50 Beowolf.
The S&W .500 Mag is a thundering monster, as is its slightly milder brother the .460 Mag. I do recommend two hand shooting with either of these, as your wrists will get well stretched by either of them . I fired the .460 Mag once, and once was enough for me. (as it would be for an errant Bear, or Feral Boar. )

I recall many years ago on another forum being in a minority objecting to a photo which was then doing the rounds of the internet of a kid who supposedly had downed a large animal (?boar?) with some large calibre handgun not conventionally used for game hunting. I think the kid's father had posted it, proudly.

My view was, and is, that it's unfair to the animal to try to make yourself a pointless hero by downing the animal with too little gun. For every kill, you're probably going to injure several or even many more animals and leave them running away in the bush to die or recover painfully.

It's a lesson I learnt in my teens when I thought I was clever by bringing down a big kangaroo with an intentional shot in the spine with a .22 because I knew I was unlikely to kill it with a head shot and certainly not with a body shot. I was correct about the head shot. I felt like a real bastard after the second or third head shot on the paralysed animal still failed to kill it instantly.

Apart from amusing oneself by firing a stupidly overpowered pistol, I don't see much practical use for these extreme calibres in the hands of ordinary people.

Then again, in the right hands they may have value.

Back in the late 1970s when I was a lawyer in a country town I had a bit to do with an old style police sergeant who loved nothing better than getting up into the high country with his various weapons and hand loads.

There came a time when a local criminal (whose younger brother was a client of mine and who we both discovered accidentally had burgled my flat before he became my client, and who failed to return the stolen property as promised after I kept the little turd out of a well deserved stint in gaol) went on an armed rampage and was engaged in a running gunfight at various locations with increasing numbers of police, whom he taunted with assurances that he wouldn't be taken alive.

Enter the aforementioned police sergeant, his large gun, and his extreme hand loads. Said police sergeant waited for the criminal to pop up from his cover in a paddock and fire a few more shots at the police, then unloaded a round at the criminal. Shortly afterwards, the criminal yelled out that he was surrendering; threw out his weapon; and put his hands up above his cover.

When asked later why he had surrendered at that point after spending most of the day firing at police, he referred to the sergeant's shot and said "When that shot went into the ground beside me, the ground f**king shook.".

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 10:10 AM
Agreed ! that was one of his less lustrous films, maybe that was because he didn't use his usual ensemble group we see in most of his films from the best, Josey Wales, High plains Drifter, to the goofy ones, the "Any which way" series, and Bronco Billy come to mind.

Not to mention the absurd one where he steals a Russian fighter.

Be all that as it may, it may come as no surprise to you to learn that as I type this at my beach shack in splendid isolation (i.e. no family or anyone else with me) with an ample supply of beer, bacon, eggs, cheese, bread and pepper and hot sauces, I have on my shelves an oft watched DVD of Josey Wales and sundry others such as Joe Kidd, High Plains Drifter, and Pale Rider, along with Coogan's Bluff, Play Misty for Me, etc.

It is testament to the poverty of culture of recent generations that not only do they not value the eternal verities of such great lines as Josey Wales telling Ten Bears that his word of death is true, and so his word of life is true, and the Shakespearean response of Ten Bears who understands Josey's words of iron. Even worse, these young bastards nowadays have never heard of Josey Wales.

I fail to see why we pay taxes for an education system which allows children to complete high school without knowing of Josey Wales. I mean, who do they think fought for the freedoms they now enjoy?

imi
05-09-2016, 11:57 AM
Some time later, the Desert Eagle came along. Made by Magnum Research, a division of Israeli military industries, and chambered for a variety of calibers, the most memorable of which are the .44 magnum, and the .50 A.E. (Action Express) This pistol was an immediate hit, and remains so to this day. Everyone wants one, but few want to pay the $1,500 price tag.

1500$ for a Desert Eagle? I'd give him not one euro
The israeli weapon factorys made one of the world poor quality idiot-designed weapons
Who need a Desert Eagle when its too big to wear and the handling is also probably difficult from the size of the gun, and not to mention about the Uzi you simply can not grasp
The Israeli Army is using today american weapons probably because their own weapons are unusable

tankgeezer
05-09-2016, 12:05 PM
The movies of Clint Eastwood should be a course required at all Universities, as well as several from the John Wayne Westerns, and the Quiet Man. I noticed that Fire Fox was very similar in plot line to Blue Thunder (Roy Scheider, Malcome McDowell) a different malevolent adversary, but otherwise nearly the same movie only using a Super Helicopter instead of a Super Fighter.
As far as the millenial generation, and important historic knowledge concerning the source of their Freedoms, sadly it comes to this.

imi
05-09-2016, 12:14 PM
good attachment tankgeezer!
Two different world: one foot in the grave already much smarter people than those who are struggling with mental sensitivity problems in tedium

Nickdfresh
05-09-2016, 04:38 PM
To the extent that I can remember some brief forensic aspects in lectures and reading 40 or so years ago, a shotgun with the muzzle against the head will do more damage than just about any other small arm, not least because the large bore, large wad and shot are forced into the skull with an explosion of following explosive gas which is massive compared with rifled small arms, including side arms. That holds true for very short ranges of, perhaps, a few metres. The shotgun destruction is greater than a rifled small arm because the shot tends to expend its kinetic energy in a larger area of the human body than do many much smaller but much faster solid projectiles from rifled weapons, although rifled projectiles concentrate a shockwave in the organs which is also very destructive well beyond the path of penetration.

For example, at any range a fully jacketed rifled projectile hits the body at a higher velocity (feet or metres per second) than a shotgun shot round with its energy concentrated in a much smaller head than shotgun shot and, even as the rifled projectile deforms or tumbles or fragments as it hits tissue and bone, is more likely to continue through a given thickness of tissue and bone than shotgun shot. The rifled projectile will penetrate much further and on a narrower path than shot, but with greater shockwave damage to surrounding organs versus the wider penetration path of shot.

In most cases it doesn't matter what you're hit with much above a .22 if it's a standard military shot to the centre of the torso, or a full head shot, because there's enough critical organs in there that between penetration, shockwave, shock and infection that you're probably going to die sooner or later.

An American actor accidentally killed himself in the 1980's by taking a blank filled .44 Magnum and placing it too his head suicide style, after a gun fight scene ceased filming, and said, "now this one is for me!". The resulting blank cartridge detonating smashed in a section of his skull drving it into his brain instantly killing him... IIRC

The story here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum#Death

Nickdfresh
05-09-2016, 04:44 PM
:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

...and one of the all time great war (and it was a long way short of war) movie turkeys Heartbreak Ridge.

That's a great bored on Saturday afternoon beer and popcorn movie...

tankgeezer
05-09-2016, 10:36 PM
1500$ for a Desert Eagle? I'd give him not one euro
The israeli weapon factorys made one of the world poor quality idiot-designed weapons
Who need a Desert Eagle when its too big to wear and the handling is also probably difficult from the size of the gun, and not to mention about the Uzi you simply can not grasp
The Israeli Army is using today american weapons probably because their own weapons are unusable

Well, from what I've been told by owners of them was the weight was inconvenient, but functionality was good. Very dependable, and performed well. It certainly isn't the first choice for concealed carry, but it does well for those who hunt with a pistol . The Dirty Harry revolver the S&W Model 29 is an old warhorse of a pistol, having been on the market for near to 60 yrs. It was not initially a brisk seller, it was heavy, and the recoil was more than many people wanted to deal with. (with the exception of the aforementioned pistol hunters) It was largely ignored by the shooting public. Then dirty Harry hit the screens. All of a sudden, everyone wanted the mod.29, the most powerful handgun in the World etc. People went on lengthy waiting lists, and many of those who bought them, never fired them, just kept them in the velvet lined wood case they came in. I had an older model in 5" special order and it was not difficult for me to handle, but it didn't really do anything for me either, so in time, I sold it.
the truly funny thing is that Harry never used Magnum ammunition in his, he used a "light special" meaning the .44 special cartridge,loaded with a lighter than normal 215 grain lead bullet. Common in the late 1800's to early 1900's but still available today. The only difference is in the case length. The Magnum case is made 1/10 inch longer to prevent it from being mistakenly loaded into a .44 special firearm. This same safety feature is used in the .38 special/.357 magnum.

tankgeezer
05-09-2016, 10:39 PM
That's a great bored on Saturday afternoon beer and popcorn movie...
It sure is, love to hate that uptight Major.

Kregs
05-09-2016, 10:51 PM
I have joined this discussion too late, it seems. I apologize for that, as I have not had access to the internet where I have resided for the past year or so, near Morskie Oko.
But, as of late last week, I watched a forensic documentary about Hitler and Eva Braun's remains near the Reich Chancellery. Interestingly, the forensic examiner complained throughout the documentary about the Russians sloppy examination of the bodies, which he believes were not completely burned, as the gasoline shortage was so severe that the Nazis did not secure enough to completely obliterate the bodies; therefore, that would led one to believe that the bodies were still recognizable, even to a novice forensic examiner. That oversight led to another oversight in which the examiner claimed that the Russians confused Hitler's form of suicide with Eva Braun's due to the location of the blood spots on the sofa and the broken flower vase on the floor, inches from the table. This error made its way to the Allies, and ultimately Life Magazine, who published photos of the bunker and the bloody sofa.

I have even read accounts that state that no one has ever recovered Hitler's skull; the one found by the Russians is that of a 30 year old, young woman.

Rising Sun*
05-10-2016, 03:45 AM
An American actor accidentally killed himself in the 1980's by taking a blank filled .44 Magnum and placing it too his head suicide style, after a gun fight scene ceased filming, and said, "now this one is for me!". The resulting blank cartridge detonating smashed in a section of his skull drving it into his brain instantly killing him... IIRC

The story here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum#Death

We were strongly warned not to fire at anyone at short range when using blank firing attachments on 7.62mm SLRs, to avoid injury.

Thanks to the warnings which had been impressed on us, I passed on the opportunity to find out how much damage could be done when I had the muzzle of my SLR, with blank firing attachment, jammed under the chin of another soldier who was playing Viet Cong in an exercise and who decided to be a hero by trying to escape from the prisoners I was guarding.

Rising Sun*
05-10-2016, 04:06 AM
Science on blank wounds.


Blank firing pistols are generally considered to be harmless and these guns are not accepted as being firearms in most countries. Due to lack of legal regulations these guns are easily purchased by anyone aged over 18 years. Reports of serious injuries and even fatalities due to these guns are increasing in the literature. These guns when modified or even unmodified can cause serious and potentially fatal injuries. Without doing any changes to the barrel, using blank or tear gas cartridges, firing at contact range can cause penetration of gas into the body including bone originated from gun powder. We report two suicide cases shooting themselves at temporal region with a blank cartridge gun at contact range. There was no foreign body on radiological examination and there was no trajectory of a bullet inside the brain. In both cases the wound was at the right temporal region and there was defect at temporal bone. There was circular soot around this bone defect. The injury of the brain tissue was localized at the level of the defect but there was widespread subarachnoidal bleeding. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19573850


The authors describe 3 cases of lethal injuries caused by 7.62 mm blank cartridge shots from military automatic rifle of domestic origin (AK 47, 7.62 mm). In 1 case, the cartridge was fired from a weapon that had been leaned on the head, with subsequent destruction of brain, and in other 2 cases, the weapon had been leaned on the chests, which led to destruction of heart parts. The injuries were caused by the action of striking wave of gunpowder explosion, the air blast type. The cases demonstrate that the gas pressure from the exploding propellant of blank cartridge is powerful enough to penetrate the thoracic wall and the skull. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19901805


Lethal injuries of the thorax due to shots fired from blank cartridges calibre 8 mm are reported in three cases. The muzzle of the weapon was in contact with the left side of the breast (contact discharge) and injuries to bones were absent in all three cases. In two of the cases the pericardium was not involved but the anterior wall of the right heart ventricle was ruptured and death was due to cardiac tamponade. In the third case the pericardial sac and the left ventricle were both ruptured and the victim died due to rapid exsanguination. The cases demonstrate that the gas pressure from the exploding propellent of blank ammunition can be powerful enough to penetrate the thoracic wall. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9541854

imi
05-10-2016, 05:41 AM
Then dirty Harry hit the screens. All of a sudden, everyone wanted the mod.29, the most powerful handgun in the World etc. People went on lengthy waiting lists, and many of those who bought them, never fired them, just kept them in the velvet lined wood case they came in. I had an older model in 5" special order and it was not difficult for me to handle, but it didn't really do anything for me either, so in time, I sold it.
the truly funny thing is that Harry never used Magnum ammunition in his, he used a "light special" meaning the .44 special cartridge,loaded with a lighter than normal 215 grain lead bullet.

Originally, Frank Sinatra wanted to act Dirty Harry's character but for he was too heavy the 44-inch magnum, then after they think John Wayne but after Clint Eastwood was selected as the main actor (I think also it was probably the best choice was Eastwood)

tankgeezer
05-12-2016, 12:19 PM
That's true, the list of people who rejected the part is quite long. Sinatra as you said turned it down because an old injury kept him from hefting Harry's .44 S&W, which is sad because he had the roughness of character to have played Harry well. But I'm not complaining, Eastwood did a fine job in the role. The rest were as follows. (Courtesy of "the art of Manliness Trunk")
Frank Sinatra was originally cast to play Dirty Harry, but a broken wrist he suffered while filming the Manchurian Candidate prevented him from hoisting Harry Calagan’s signature beast of a gun. So he had to quit. John Wayne was then offered the role, but he turned it down because he didn’t “like being offered Sinatra’s rejections.” Producers then went after Robert Mitchum, but he turned it down because he thought the role was a “piece of junk.” Burt Lancaster was then offered the role, but he turned it down because he didn’t agree with the movie’s violence. Finally Eastwood was offered the script and the rest was movie history.

imi
05-13-2016, 03:59 AM
I once saw a film of Frank Sinatra From Here to Eternity
I think Frank Sinatra for forming very weak in the movie and he's got for this movie the Oscar and the Golden Globe Award for the "Best Supporting Actor", that is unbelievable to me
Sinatra may have was good as a singer but I think acting skills were very weak

JR*
05-13-2016, 07:45 AM
Agree regarding Sinatra's performance in "From Here to Eternity". A strangely "green" performance, not helped by the comparison with Burt Lancaster in the principal male part. Burt was a much-underestimated screen actor, who tended to eclipse others acting opposite him. I thought Sinatra as pretty good in "Manchurian Candidate", another movie with a brilliant cast of underestimated actors. Sinatra, generally, may have been better suited to "light" parts, preferably involving singing. His performance in "Robin and the Seven Hoods" and the brilliant cinematic realization of "Guys and Dolls", even in the company of Jean Simmons and Marlon Brando. Horses for courses, perhaps ? Yours from the crap game, JR.