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imi
02-25-2016, 08:03 AM
This is a Russian site of Hungarian Panzers (recommend to use google chrome to translate to your native language)


A few model for example, the site contains more vehicles with also the blueprints!


"Turán" medium tank
http://topwar.ru/26477-bronetehnika-vengrii-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyny-sredniy-tank-turan.html

"Toldi" light tank
http://topwar.ru/26281-bronetehnika-vengrii-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyny-legkiy-tank-toldi.html

"Nimród" self-propelled armor
http://topwar.ru/26480-bronetehnika-vengrii-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyny-samohodnaya-ustanovka-nimrod.html

"Szabó" armored car
http://topwar.ru/26805-bronetehnika-vengrii-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyny-broneavtomobil-chabo.html

JR*
02-25-2016, 08:24 AM
Very interesting diagrams and photos. I will try the Google Chrome option - I hope it works; my Russian does not extend beyond the ability to order a glass of water or a vodka, warn that a bear is approaching, and say "goodbye". Thanks for posting, JR.

imi
02-25-2016, 10:29 AM
have a good work! :D

Kovalski
03-03-2016, 07:27 AM
I see some of the tanks are on display at Kubinka Museum.

imi
03-03-2016, 10:03 AM
I see some of the tanks are on display at Kubinka Museum.

The funny thing is in foreign lands more hungarian Panzers found in the museums than in Hungary :D
I wonder about this foreign site, on the Hungarian side could not find such a precise description and photos from the hungarian armory under ww2

Chevan
04-11-2016, 02:32 AM
Hungarian Panzers site - This is a Russian site of Hungarian Panzers
So this is a russian site , imi;) Write it right...

]The funny thing is in foreign lands more hungarian Panzers found in the museums than in Hungary
The much more funny that even in Hungary there are more foreign museum panzers then own - the rioters still have to use the museum T-34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMibTpdof2U) :mrgreen:

imi
04-12-2016, 08:47 AM
So this is a russian site , imi;) Write it right...

The much more funny that even in Hungary there are more foreign museum panzers then own - the rioters still have to use the museum T-34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMibTpdof2U) :mrgreen:

a) Sorry my english grammary not the best probably I'm getting older :D

b) The T34 is a iconic statue in the 1956 hungarian revolution, the insurgents in 1956 occupied some of the russian tanks in 1956 hungarian - russian conflict,that's why you can see the hungarian scutcheon on the russian T-34 tank in the video
This video is from a riot from Budapest from october 23rd of 2006, which escalated into bloody reprisals from the police at the end

On the morning of 23rd of october in 2006 the hungarian civilian mass staged a peacefully protest against the Hungarian Goverment and the protest going into a riot in the afternoon
The civilians attack the building of the hungarian television and beaten hard a few policeman to the hospital who try to protect the national television
Afer the civilians successfully occupied the television station made barricades at the streets and the bridges, and attack the police with Molotov cocktails, brick and rock pieces and wood and metal pipes

After the next second day in the afternoon the civilians stole a T34 from a musem this is what you see in the video
The second day night the police disbanded hardly the two day and night riot, with tear gas and rubber bullets and water canons, and the riot was over
Many of the insurgents go into the hospital because the police made a hard revenge for the previous day police officers beating: beaten hard the civilian peoples to hospital with batons that made some broken heads, arms and legs, and the police use rubber bullet shotguns, shoot around head height, that made blinded some of the peoples and the riot was over with not a few blood flow in the streets of Budapest

Pictures from the 23rd of october in 2006 riot Budapest Hungary (warning: some images may are disturbing)

Disband the riot by the police
http://mno.hu/data/cikk/1/30/13/94/cikk_1301394/New_K_EPA20150823100.jpg
http://cdn.atlatszo.hu/wp-content/uploads/sites/24/2015/09/gumil.jpg

The stolen tank from the museum
http://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/243/2432/24324/2432454_2ecb9c7e304d69e9407b3d2adf94421f_wm.jpg

Civilian results after the second afternoon and night police assault
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Victims_of_Police_Action_(Budapest_23-10-06).jpg
http://img.index.hu/cikkepek/0610/belfold/okt23_4//.gdata/gp__DSC7293.jpg
http://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/119/1194/11942/1194237_e67209e9ffcb2a6823e86f1dec5ade60_wm.jpg
http://portal.jobbik.net/files/images/vipera-serult.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/3699/z3699704X.jpg
http://portal.jobbik.net/files/images/vereszaszlo.jpg

Anyway back to the original title: the typical hungarian WW2 tanks was the Turan I and the Turan II but the communist after the war melt down the remaining pieces, so hard to find a Turan tank today

Chevan
04-12-2016, 10:31 AM
Yeah, i heard there were a serious riots with victims. But what was the reason of uprising? I have no idea what could make the people take the museum tank and use it against police, imi?Is everything OK in EU? Is there democraty or what? ;) Just another one USSR?

imi
04-13-2016, 08:31 AM
Hungary ceremony is every October 23,this is the starting date of the 1956 year Revolution
The 1956 Hungarian Revolution celebrated which at that time was directed against the Soviet occupation since hold the country still from 1945 after the war ended
The revolution started in 23rd of october 1956 Budapest and ended with hungarian faliure in 10th of november in 1956
A huge Soviet forces marched from the Soviet Union to supress the revolution what it did a lot hungarian civilian deaths required (about 3000 person died in the fights and later about 300 executed for taking part of the Revolution)
These civilians and insurgents deads every year we remember, those who fought for the freedom of the country against the Russian Soviet occupation in 1956

Photos from the 1956 Revolution (warning some images may be disturbing)

Civilian mass demonstration with a hungarian flag, previously cut out the communist hungarian - soviet crest from the middle of the flag
http://mult-kor.hu/image/article/main/.630x1260/44753.jpg

Hungarian insurgents in a occupied russian T 34 tank in the streets of Budapest
http://blog.volgyiattila.hu/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/56oktober23-40073-photoNagyGyulaFortepan.jpg

Stalin's statue toppled
http://hir.ma/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/1956magyarnemzetorseg1956_oktober_23_RnWV125606970 6.jpg

Tortured and beaten to death secret service communist hungarian policemen, hung up by his foot to a tree spit upon by a hungarian women. The other photos shows hungarian executed secret hungarian service policemens
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/ma/maimanohaz/image/1956/29_rougier.jpg

Hungarian insurgents with PPSH 41 submacineguns
http://www.bien.hu/files/userfiles/images/2(12).jpg

Hungarian insurgents
http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/files/2013/06/Hungarian-Revolution-1956-21.jpg
https://41.media.tumblr.com/4462b36b192b30a545467ac56df24955/tumblr_nle1hdpuVw1upkgb8o1_400.jpg

Knocked out Soviet ISU 152 and T34 tank in the streets of Budapest
http://galeria.vezess.hu/files/890/075/000/75890/75890_626338_784x523.jpg

Hungarian communist Secret Service Policemens at the moments of their public execution on the street
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/ri/ritkanlathatotortenelem/image/1956.%20%C3%81VO-sok%20kiv%C3%A9gz%C3%A9se%20az%20utc%C3%A1n..jpg

Hungarian kid with a rifle
http://www.studiolum.com/wang/lenin/hungarian-children-revolutionaries-in-1956.jpg

Tortured and hunged up dead secret service men on a tree in the streets of Budapest
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/2f/a4/58/2fa45876b3875363b6372f877ace4e57.jpg

Coffins for hungarian victims around a knocked out T 34
http://pestisracok.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/13_1137588-e1415110047168.jpg

Soviet tanks in the streets of Budapest after around the end of the Revolution
http://pestisracok.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/utcai-harcok-56.jpg

Back to 2006 riots
The 2006 riots were due a few violent people who love the circus, each event is always such, but this time the current government then began to scold and some of which emerged in the mass riot
In fact, the television building and attacked the policemens beating was not a nice thing for some hooligan, but the police the next day's non official revenge was a very cruel: The police officers hit everyone,man or women or oldies, and have been beaten journalists who have not left the area with a loud warning given previously
The police use steel batons for beatings which resulted in many civilian people's arms, legs and skull fracture, and use rubber bullet shotguns used at head height, some people eye shot out
Many people who were blinded or suffered serious injuries and denounced the police later, but the court can't identify the police officers from the photos or videos because the police masks were up in their faces, their identification numbers and insignia they are removed beforehand from the uniforms when they score off the civilian mass

Today Hungary is a small and poor country who always need some financial help from the EU,without the EU financy we are a dead country
The whole country a catastrophe the youngsters and the doctors about 70% of emigrating abroad for a better life
The hungarian average salary now is around 280$ for the average workers wich is is very low and the prices are high, eastern payment - western prices.
In foreign countrys the hungarian average workers earn about 1,000 $ - 1300 $ around the same amount of work, the doctors earn about 1000$ here, in foreing lands earn about 3000 $ per month
(Now is the prime minister is Viktor Orban who have common private businesses with the Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin) and we are also in the European Union, so I leave to you the judgment of the country
Hungary is a free playground now everybody who have money almost all of the company's foreign ownership
Now Hungary is based on tourism and the capitol Budapest night life prostitution and international mafia is rising

Chevan
04-13-2016, 10:30 AM
Today Hungary is a small and poor country who always need some financial help from the EU,without the EU financy we are a dead country
The whole country a catastrophe the youngsters and the doctors about 70% of emigrating abroad for a better life
The hungarian average salary now is around 280$ for the average workers wich is is very low and the prices are high, eastern payment - western prices.
In foreign countrys the hungarian average workers earn about 1,000 $ - 1300 $ around the same amount of work, the doctors earn about 1000$ here, in foreing lands earn about 3000 $ per month
(Now is the prime minister is Viktor Orban who have common private businesses with the Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin) and we are also in the European Union, so I leave to you the judgment of the country
Hungary is a free playground now everybody who have money almost all of the company's foreign ownership
Now Hungary is based on tourism and the capitol Budapest night life prostitution and international mafia is rising
Well, if everything so bad , and the contemporary Hungary so poor and doomed countre- who is gult? Your local govenment or EU authories which imposed the rules? I also didn't know there so big-scale emigration of manpower. I hear something about Poland , from my polish mate, the youngs still don't see the perspectives in own motheland. SO -such is the EU:) So how do you think - have the Hungary persepctives in EU in economical integration or they should will better bet on personal economical an dpolitical partnership with non-EU states like Russia or China?

imi
04-13-2016, 12:55 PM
So how do you think - have the Hungary persepctives in EU in economical integration or they should will better bet on personal economical an dpolitical partnership with non-EU states like Russia or China?

I think we don't need anymore of any communist state,we must going our interest in the western countries
The European Union is the biggest help our country: the EU supports the creation of new hospitals, new roads, economic developments for millions of dollars in support so far in the EU to Hungary
Without the EU this country is nowhere to evolve, if dependned on Russia or China
In comparison, the Russian businesses does not mean anything financially in this country against for EU aids, the only big business is buying gas from the Russian Gasprom for Hungary and import coal and wood
The fact that China is what kind of business relationship with Hungary I do not know. Maybe China interests in some usually cheap with poor quality clothes shopping centers in Hungary, and maybe in interest in natural medicines, also nothing compared with the EU

Chevan
04-13-2016, 01:34 PM
I think we don't need anymore of any communist state, the European Union is the biggest help the country, the EU supports the creation of new hospitals, new roads, economic developments for millions of dollars in support so far in the EU to Hungary
Does this "help" from EU include also the the rise of prostitution , mafia and poverty which you have wrote about?
Seems there is sort of logical contradiction- if the EU does so much kind - why then Hungarian economic in ruins? Why the hungarian doctors shall emigrate abroad for better life? Maybe coz the most rich countries of EU like Gemany, merely grabbs your for cheap menpower?


Without the EU this country is nowhere to evolve...
But in EU you seems, evolutes with unemployment, hight gain of criminality and total poverty - is that perspectives you want for Hungary?


In comparison, the Russian businesses does not mean anything financially in this country against for EU aids, the only big business is buying gas from the Russian Gasprom for Hungary

Becouse you have no other choice except buying the gas. Endeed the Russia provides a row of hight-tech technologies like, say nuclear stations or cheap and effective modern military systems. You may have a trade with us by billions of dollars for mutual profit- but you prefer the miserable doles from EU;) Does EU build the modern plants or creats the technologies in Hungary?


The fact that China is what kind of business relationship with Hungary I do not know. Maybe China interests in some usually cheap with poor quality clothes shopping centers in Hungary, and maybe in interest in natural medicines, also nothing compared with the EU
China sells the .... all possible sort of modern technologies. Forgot about their 'poor quality". The contemporary chinese goods flood the markets in your city and all over world - the TVs, computers , clothes, everything.

imi
04-14-2016, 02:13 AM
Does this "help" from EU include also the the rise of prostitution , mafia and poverty which you have wrote about?
Seems there is sort of logical contradiction- if the EU does so much kind - why then Hungarian economic in ruins? Why the hungarian doctors shall emigrate abroad for better life? Maybe coz the most rich countries of EU like Gemany, merely grabbs your for cheap menpower?

But in EU you seems, evolutes with unemployment, hight gain of criminality and total poverty - is that perspectives you want for Hungary?

Becouse you have no other choice except buying the gas. Endeed the Russia provides a row of hight-tech technologies like, say nuclear stations or cheap and effective modern military systems. You may have a trade with us by billions of dollars for mutual profit- but you prefer the miserable doles from EU;) Does EU build the modern plants or creats the technologies in Hungary?
Maybe the Russian gas is cheap but i think we can agree with Western countries is a good price

China sells the .... all possible sort of modern technologies. Forgot about their 'poor quality". The contemporary chinese goods flood the markets in your city and all over world - the TVs, computers , clothes, everything.

- The rise of the international prostitution, the drug business, and the mafia non official use for political directions is a Hungarian contrivance, this has nothing to do with the EU
Hungary is a small country everything and everyone is for sale for good money or political points
The high gain of criminality cause the too many gypsy population who given to the criminality and the Hungarian government, who legally authorizes the operation of criminals in Hungary
The government use the criminals who occasionally performs political tasks sometimes,(make murder for hire,obtain drugs and obtain prostitutes for tourists or high class usually foreign participant guests) in turn,the goverment left alone by police from criminals
The international prostitution and homosexual prostitution was always helpful, always you need women (or a gay) who are willing to do anything or some drugs if you want to feel better yourself in the nightclubs of Budapest or festivals
The hungarian criminals a large part of the international network which included Russians from Russia who provide manpower muscle and guns, Turks from Austria and Germany who provide drug business and manpower muscle, Italians who provides the prostitution and drug business

- The Hungarian doctors emigrate because the foreign wages are pay three times more than the hungarian wages for the docs

- Maybe the Russian gas is cheap but i think we can agree with Western countries in a good price

- If you interested what I want: I want a clean and clear Hungary who towards the Western intelligence, not writhing on the eastern communist slavic-gipsy filth and not oscillates between West and the East

Chevan
04-14-2016, 10:06 AM
- The rise of the international prostitution, the drug business, and the mafia non official use for political directions is a Hungarian contrivance, this has nothing to do with the EU
Hungary is a small country everything and everyone is for sale for good money or political point

It's not just for Hungary- the same miserable fate is getting the all the eastern eruopeans countries in EU. Same troubles in Poland and Romania, Slovakia and Baltic states. The rise or criminality , poverty and lack of manpower ( all who can go adboad). And Gypsy and islamic immigrants as well:)


The hungarian criminals a large part of the international network which included Russians from Russia who provide manpower muscle and guns, Turks from Austria and Germany who provide drug business and manpower muscle, Italians who provides the prostitution and drug business

Yeah the international mafia also is organized the own king of EU;)


- The Hungarian doctors emigrate because the foreign wages are pay three times more than the hungarian wages for the docs

Not just doctors- eveyone who capable for a job - try to migrate to the west. As the resault the own industry and cities feel hungry for manpower. The industry and social services degradate and ets.The same for all East Europe.


- Maybe the Russian gas is cheap but i think we can agree with Western countries in a good price
No you can't on definition. Your are not equal to the western countries in economical relations, coz you live by dotations. The western partners don't interesting to sell you cheap resources becouse it mean they should lose the profit. And the western workers earn in awerage 3 time bigger then yours - they will not to argee to lesser their salary, besides you already get their taxes wia the finantional dotation of EU. Another factor not to let you to get resources - is the competition. Obviously you need the EU only for cheap manpower and new markets - nobody will let you to buld the new plants and competite with the western companies. Your potentionsl economical grow is very limited therefore.


- If you interested what I want: I want a clean and clear Hungary who towards the Western intelligence, not writhing on the eastern communist slavic-gipsy filth and not oscillates between West and the East
It will never happend. The clean and clear Hungary is impossible , coz the general migrational rules is determined by EU , not by your local govenment. And EU wanna you to bee flooded with all sort of emigrants - note, not China or Russia flood you with "slavic-gypsy" or muslim criminals. But your own govenment in order to realize the general eu policy.

imi
04-15-2016, 08:39 AM
Oh i am a idiot, now I see on your avatar you're a russian!

You should know that the Russian mafia in the 90's in doing extraordinary circus in Hungary?
The leader Semion Mogilevich (in russian: Семён Юдкович Могилевич) who was a Russian and jewish "businessman" and the leader of the hungarian stationing russian mafia
He went all in the 90s: diesel forgery, car bombing in downtown Budapest,rocket launcher assaults against night clubs, handgrenade attacks against bars, contract killings in public streets and bars Hungary, that was the 90's in Hungary

There are still a wealthy Russians and Jews today in Hungary who are permitted at all themselves and for small people kicking as I am, just because they are eastern racists and typically russian mentality crazy beasts: cocain and vodka addicts and cold blooded killers who hate white germans, more prefers and control the the criminal gipsyes

Sorry Chevan now but our conversation is now over: I don't talk russians because personal matters
I have a few russian enemy, who ruin and destroy my life,humble me and murder some of my family members and my some of my german friends (my innocent german friends die for World War 2 reasons, because the crazy jewish russians blame them for the holocaust after five generation still, thats crazy
Russia and Israel is the worst enemy of the white human race: terrorizing Hungary and the other smaller countries still today, looks like the communist-jewish system terror and the the KGB methods did not end in 1989
Goodbye

Chevan
04-15-2016, 10:17 AM
Oh i am a idiot, now I see on your avatar you're a russian!

I was russian yet 3 years back when i first time met you and we have a talk;)


You should know that the Russian mafia in the 90's in doing extraordinary circus in Hungary?
The leader Semion Mogilevich (in russian: Семён Юдкович Могилевич) who was a Russian and jewish "businessman" and the leader of the hungarian stationing russian mafia
He went all in the 90s: diesel forgery, car bombing in downtown Budapest,rocket launcher assaults against night clubs, handgrenade attacks against bars, contract killings in public streets and bars Hungary, that was the 90's in Hungary

There are still a wealthy Russians and Jews today in Hungary who are permitted at all themselves and for small people kicking as I am, just because they are eastern racists and typically russian mentality crazy beasts: cocain and vodka addicts and cold blooded killers who hate white germans, more prefers and control the the criminal gipsyes

imi, i can understand your fears amd may to believe in your story, but why do you think the all russian are mafia and enemies? Do you think that i love or justify the "russian/jewish mafia" - i'm not. I suffer from organized criminality in russia just like you or any other adaquate man. And i hate and wish the deat to all "russian mafia" , or whatever you call as russian mafia , as much as you wish. BTW there is some of misunderstanding , which you probably don't even notice. The Mogilevich is a famouse mafiosy - but not russian. You will laugh- but he is ukrainain from Kiev;) And he actually belongs to what you call as the "jewish" organized criminality. So he is not Russian, please take it into future consideration.

Sorry Chevan now but our conversation is now over: I don't talk russians because personal matters
This is pure psyhological trouble , imi.
Becouse you probably think i,m enemy. It's not. You have complined recently you have no friends here - but how can you get them if you look with hostile to any one , just coz he from country you dislike. Even if i am russian- this doesn't mean i will justify the bithers and criminals from so called "russian mafia". Please stop identfy me as a mafiosi. I'm not and i will be glad to wish you to finish off all the mud from so called "russian mafia" -i believe they fully deserved to finish their rotten life in gas chambers or owens;)


I have a few russian enemy, who ruin and destroy my life,humble me and murder some of my family members and my some of my german friends (my innocent german friends die for World War 2 reasons, because the crazy jewish russians blame them for the holocaust after five generation still, thats crazy)
Russia and Israel is terrorizing Hungary and the other smaller countries still today looks like the communist-jewish system terror and the the KGB methods did not end in 1989

Sad story with your friend. What make you to think your enemies are russian? Even so, what make you to think i will justify those bast..rs , just coz they are "russians". Not all the russians are russian mafia. Especialy if this is endeed an ukrainian mafia;)And yes that's crazy to blame someone in holocaust. And i never justified the zionism. And Russia is not friend of Israel. So much of dumb clishes!! The Israel is a ally of USA - why you still call your enemies as russian?