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tombennett91
01-18-2016, 12:51 PM
Is war beyond our understanding? For several months I've read many different opinions on this subject throughout the forum (some others) which has been extremely enlightening.

With this question in mind and being a Film Editor I decided to create a video titled 'Our Wars In 2 Minutes' that covers the major wars since WW1 up until ISIS. WW2 is the longest section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BumcS6dlrVU&feature=youtu.be

Having worked on this for a couple of months it would be extremely rewarding to hear back from a community that has informed much of my knowledge on international conflicts and warfare.

Churchill
01-18-2016, 01:03 PM
Great work, looks really good.

Frankly Dude Really
01-19-2016, 03:53 AM
Sorry.. it sucked.
( I left a more detailed remark..you can guess who I am at joootoop ..so you gained a "viewer hit"...you're welcome).

Sounds hard, but I find that a serious subject like war and especially "philosophying " over it, deserves better handling. It looks like a school project of a 16 y.o.

How old are you Tom Bennet ? Born in 1991 ? Then you should be able to make it better...

Rising Sun*
01-19-2016, 08:48 AM
Is war beyond our understanding? For several months I've read many different opinions on this subject throughout the forum (some others) which has been extremely enlightening.

With this question in mind and being a Film Editor I decided to create a video titled 'Our Wars In 2 Minutes' that covers the major wars since WW1 up until ISIS. WW2 is the longest section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BumcS6dlrVU&feature=youtu.be

Having worked on this for a couple of months it would be extremely rewarding to hear back from a community that has informed much of my knowledge on international conflicts and warfare.


Looks fine, but I'm sorry to be negative as you haven't added anything to what is already known about those wars and have completely ignored the causes and effects, although nobody is going to manage that in two minutes, nor probably two hours or even two years as there is still no clear and universally accepted explanation for the outbreak of WW1, never mind what came later.

Churchill
01-19-2016, 02:15 PM
I doubt that's the point, seems to be more of overview of the wars the US was in as well as one or two important moments in each...

FDR don't be such a ****, you can think its bad all you want, but no need to put him down for making a video.

tankgeezer
01-19-2016, 09:44 PM
******

Rising Sun*
01-20-2016, 02:51 AM
I doubt that's the point, seems to be more of overview of the wars the US was in as well as one or two important moments in each...

Yeah, you're probably correct. I was looking at it from a historian's perspective rather than the one you've put forward.

Negative comments withdrawn, with apologies to tombennett91


FDR don't be such a ****, you can think its bad all you want, but no need to put him down for making a video.

Agree.

Frankly Dude Really
01-20-2016, 03:00 AM
I doubt that's the point, seems to be more of overview of the wars the US was in as well as one or two important moments in each...

FDR don't be such a ****, you can think its bad all you want, but no need to put him down for making a video.

Who knows, perhaps Tom sees himself as the next John Ford or Spielberg and a career in Hollywood is his obsession. Better to stop this illusion in its tracks, to save him more time and money wasting.

Here is a good youtube directing channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GXv2C7vwX0

Here is a very refreshing (though not all data were correct, or some were biased..it always is) ww2 youtube statistics clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWUaDMuMATM
It brings "the same" but in a "new format" and thus can surprise the audience.
So, first think of the message/story you want to bring....after that, work on the filming/editing.
Bad script = bad film. Always.

Rising Sun*
01-20-2016, 03:23 AM
Who knows, perhaps Tom sees himself as the next John Ford or Spielberg and a career in Hollywood is his obsession. Better to stop this illusion in its tracks, to save him more time and money wasting.

Tom's work stands for what it is, which I think was accurately assessed by Churchill at #5.

Your comments stand for what they are. They, like many of your other posts, come across as those of a condescending know-all smartarse committed to negative rather than positive contributions. It's up to you if that's the way you want to continue, but you diminish yourself by doing it.

Frankly Dude Really
01-20-2016, 07:35 AM
Tom's work stands for what it is, which I think was accurately assessed by Churchill at #5.

Your comments stand for what they are. They, like many of your other posts, come across as those of a condescending know-all smartarse committed to negative rather than positive contributions. It's up to you if that's the way you want to continue, but you diminish yourself by doing it.


How do you like to see your future ? One in which rubbish, bad quality products and media , are poured over the globe and into your world ..all because no-one dares to criticise or implement quality control ? You know what I mean. For every top quality mechanic tool , you have literally hundreds of Chinese fake or chinese own brand garbage tools. Looks quite allright. But performs like hell.
The same goes for movies. Any blockbuster original American/British movie of the past has been duplicated in chinese or bollywood style and adapted for their public. Yet, none of them ever beats the original.
Now, ask yourself...who or what is to "blame" for this tsunami of trash ?

Maybe, just maybe, you guys assume that Tom is a 12 year old doing his first ever youtube project.
Well, where is the proof ? A "private" in this forum does not mean that you are an adolescent.
Let Tom tell us here and in his youtube clip that he is 12 y.o. and we all can say "aaaaaaaaah, well done". Including me !
BUT he specifically DOES NOT WANT to be judged on his age (however juvenile it may be), therefore we owe it to him to comment his work on its own merits. (and he is said to be a"being a Film Editor"...that sounds quite professional ?!)
(me, I think he is older than 20...and remember. Bomber pilots in ww2 were ..younger !)

"and then?" " and then ?" "and then ?"

( only US involvements, no korea war, US perspective only, no other raging wars and conflicts, too much and immediate focus on maimed casualties, no "pointe", no structure, no surprising effect, no message, no philosophy)


I cannot brew beer, but I am sure qualified to TASTE quality beer.

Frankly Dude Really
01-20-2016, 07:50 AM
PS.
Tom, editor, if you want a very good example how a certain surprising feeling emanates from good editing work in combination with music; see the begin score of The Iron Cross of Sam Peckinpah ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSMiG1PrxjU&index=9&list=FLB4aiDBLdmAqlZfRrQC5bbQ
this is not just "and then" "and then" "and then" sequence.
you see ? can you see it ?

tankgeezer
01-20-2016, 08:11 AM
PS.
Tom, editor, if you want a very good example how a certain surprising feeling emanates from good editing work in combination with music; see the begin score of The Iron Cross of Sam Peckinpah ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSMiG1PrxjU&index=9&list=FLB4aiDBLdmAqlZfRrQC5bbQ
this is not just "and then" "and then" "and then" sequence.
you see ? can you see it ?
Perhaps before attempting to point out flaws (real, or imagined) in other's posts, you might work on your own. Your attitude is querulous for the most part, and not a good position from which to Proclaim Ex-Cathedra to anyone.

Frankly Dude Really
01-20-2016, 09:41 AM
... from which to Proclaim Ex-Cathedra to anyone.
And who is condescending, know-all, smartarsing , now , hey ?


you know the difference between the one smartarse versus all (you) other smartarses ?
I have pointed where things ARE wrong, but I also pointed to WHERE he can find improvement (limited to my time and effort. Of course).
What have you smartarses done ? Only bickering and cursing (to me) and..whoa, also to Tom "what is already known about those wars and have completely ignored the causes and effects", but NONE of you points Tom in ANY right direction to find the cup of improvement.
Nuthing.
Some good example of Ivory Tower snobisms.

Look in the mirror Tankgeezer.

PS what does ****** mean ?

tankgeezer
01-20-2016, 10:08 AM
Not I, not sure about you yet though. A small hint for you, It never pays to back sass the staff. Officially, I would recommend that you learn (hastily) to comport yourself as a reasoning adult when on this Site.

Rising Sun*
01-21-2016, 06:31 AM
How do you like to see your future ? One in which rubbish, bad quality products and media , are poured over the globe and into your world ..all because no-one dares to criticise or implement quality control ? You know what I mean. For every top quality mechanic tool , you have literally hundreds of Chinese fake or chinese own brand garbage tools. Looks quite allright. But performs like hell.

I don't think Tom was trying to compete with the best China can produce. Which, actually, is as good as the best any other country can produce.



The same goes for movies. Any blockbuster original American/British movie of the past has been duplicated in chinese or bollywood style and adapted for their public. Yet, none of them ever beats the original.
Now, ask yourself...who or what is to "blame" for this tsunami of trash ?

tombennett91? :confused::rolleyes::shock:



Maybe, just maybe, you guys assume that Tom is a 12 year old doing his first ever youtube project.
Well, where is the proof ? A "private" in this forum does not mean that you are an adolescent.
Let Tom tell us here and in his youtube clip that he is 12 y.o. and we all can say "aaaaaaaaah, well done". Including me !
BUT he specifically DOES NOT WANT to be judged on his age (however juvenile it may be), therefore we owe it to him to comment his work on its own merits. (and he is said to be a"being a Film Editor"...that sounds quite professional ?!)
(me, I think he is older than 20...and remember. Bomber pilots in ww2 were ..younger !)

Yes, there does seem to be an absence of proof that Tom is a 12 year old.

So what? You're the only one who's getting worked up about, or even vaguely interested in, his age, which you've dropped from 16 years old in your original blast to 12 years old now.

I fail to see what introducing irrelevancies about his age or occupation has to do with judging his work on its viewed merit or lack of merit.

If Saving Private Ryan had been directed by a nine year old, would that make it a different experience for the viewer?


( only US involvements, no korea war, US perspective only, no other raging wars and conflicts, too much and immediate focus on maimed casualties, no "pointe", no structure, no surprising effect, no message,

If it's such a terrible waste of two minutes, why are you spending vastly more time moaning about its deficiencies?

Why the reference to "pointe"? It's a ballet term.


no philosophy

That's an about face since your first post where you said "I find that a serious subject like war and especially "philosophying" " over it, deserves better handling."


I cannot brew beer, but I am sure qualified to TASTE quality beer.

I'm not a bull, but I can still recognise bullshit.

Give Tom a go, for Christ's sake, and stop being such a *****!

Rising Sun*
01-21-2016, 06:32 AM
****** mean ?

******

Obviously!

Rising Sun*
01-21-2016, 06:33 AM
And who is condescending, know-all, smartarsing , now , hey ?


you know the difference between the one smartarse versus all (you) other smartarses ?
I have pointed where things ARE wrong, but I also pointed to WHERE he can find improvement (limited to my time and effort. Of course).
What have you smartarses done ? Only bickering and cursing (to me) and..whoa, also to Tom "what is already known about those wars and have completely ignored the causes and effects", but NONE of you points Tom in ANY right direction to find the cup of improvement.


Okay, genius.

Make a better video and post it.

tankgeezer
01-21-2016, 07:42 AM
******

Obviously!

To be accurate, the post said " **** " and FDR said " ****** " but even so, the meaning is indeed obvious.

Rising Sun*
01-21-2016, 08:19 AM
FDR may have inserted an apostrophe and an s to make it a plural.

Doesn't alter the fact that a **** is still a ****.

tankgeezer
01-21-2016, 08:42 AM
FDR may have inserted an apostrophe and an s to make it a plural.

Doesn't alter the fact that a **** is still a ****.
An immutable truth my good Colleague.

Frankly Dude Really
01-22-2016, 06:50 AM
So how do these ****** fit in that light ?

Like this: ******



and the "shit" in bullshit ?

Conventionally, the shit in bullshit fits in as the last four letters of the word.

There are other possibilities, such as bullfrog and bullrush, but they don't really do the job when one wants to refer to, as defined by Merriam Webster:

Definition of bullshit: nonsense; especially : foolish insolent talk

The last three words pretty much sum up why TG gave you a brief holiday.

Frankly Dude Really
01-22-2016, 07:06 AM
PS no-one ever wondered why "Tom" never joins the discussion ?
and no one noticed that "Tom" sends the same youtube link to many other war fora around the world ?
hmmm ?

Maybe Tom is not really interested in any of this "shit" or historic smart documentaries, but he is only after scoring many youtube hits (advertisement points ? money ?).

tankgeezer
01-22-2016, 07:38 AM
PS no-one ever wondered why "Tom" never joins the discussion ?
and no one noticed that "Tom" sends the same youtube link to many other war fora around the world ?
hmmm ?

Maybe Tom is not really interested in any of this "shit" or historic smart documentaries, but he is only after scoring many youtube hits (advertisement points ? money ?).

It's not for you to determine, or act on whatever motives other posters may, or may not have in posting something to the Boards, that is for Staff to decide. You may bring up problems to the Staff if you find Spam, or some other abuse of the Boards purpose. We do however, dislike frivolous use being made of the Report Post Button, so if you use it, please be sure it's an appropriate report.

tankgeezer
01-22-2016, 07:56 AM
exactly!

Now I remember this: "So FDR, to be plain, this sort of behavior must stop, respect the other members and do not insult anyone, that is also against the rules here. " words by tankgeezer.

So how do these ****** fit in that light ? and the "shit" in bullshit ?


And for the record the "it sucks" on the work (followed by a minor "excuse in advance") is not aimed at the person.
But all the ******* and bullshits is.

Well FDR, You seem quite willing to dish it out, but also seem unable to take it when someone calls you on it. Time for you to take another look in that mirror, I'm certain that the source of your afflictions can be found there.

Frankly Dude Really
01-22-2016, 09:20 AM
Okay, genius.

Make a better video and post it.

Tom asked for " it would be extremely rewarding to hear back from a community", not a challenge to make a better document.

Frankly Dude Really
01-22-2016, 09:30 AM
It's not for you to determine, or act on whatever motives other posters may, or may not have in posting something to the Boards, that is for Staff to decide. You may bring up problems to the Staff if you find Spam, or some other abuse of the Boards purpose. We do however, dislike frivolous use being made of the Report Post Button, so if you use it, please be sure it's an appropriate report.

Tank, you just violated your own /this website's rules; once a PM was sent to some other person, then the ensuing communication should stay in that medium.
Now you draw something that was PRIVATE into the PUBLIC.

But since you choose it, please COPY and PASTE my abuse report (actually only a couple of sentences) here about you* and Rising Sun.
Because I find no save of it in my PM box (isn't that a quality issue too ?).
There's a good boy.

(* NB the butcher inspecting and approving his own meat... again, doesn't rate well in quality standard.)

Frankly Dude Really
01-22-2016, 09:39 AM
Well FDR, You seem quite willing to dish it out, but also seem unable to take it when someone calls you on it. Time for you to take another look in that mirror, I'm certain that the source of your afflictions can be found there.



Well then master moderator; do comprise a list of this thread where you find I go astray beyond the decency, and make another list of all the demeaning and condescending remarks (both open AND obscured) of all the other commentators (and please, donot forget yourself ;) ).
And see, if you can implement the effect of peer pressure or ganging up effect of this schoolyard boyish attitude harassment too.

tankgeezer
01-22-2016, 12:24 PM
Time to come down from the Cross FDR, your rancorous behavior continues despite warnings, and guidance from both myself, and RS* In consideration of this, and the fact that you've pretty much threadjacked Tom's Thread, I'm going to give you some time to consider your attitude toward this community as posted in this, and other Threads. You are hereby given 2 infraction points, and 3 days temporary ban. Should your present attitudes, and behavior continue after the ban ends, harsher corrections are possible. Fractious, combative behaviors are not welcome on this Site, nor is Trolling, which your posts are rapidly taking the appearance of. One final note before you're off to your sackcloth, and ashes FDR, I am an ordinary Moderator, there are several ranks of Moderators, and Administrators above me. One thing I will tell you is that (and to this the others will agree) I'm the nice one.

tankgeezer
01-22-2016, 12:43 PM
[QUOTE=Frankly Dude Really;195915]Tank, you just violated your own /this website's rules; once a PM was sent to some other person, then the ensuing communication should stay in that medium.
Now you draw something that was PRIVATE into the PUBLIC.

How I choose to communicate as a Moderator is at my discretion, I usually make first contact via PM, but there is no requirement that I do so, Or continue to do so.

Rising Sun*
01-23-2016, 05:32 AM
And for the record the "it sucks" on the work (followed by a minor "excuse in advance") is not aimed at the person.

My apologies.

I was under the misapprehension that you were referring solely to Tom when you started your critique of his video with:


Sorry.. it sucked.
( I left a more detailed remark..you can guess who I am at joootoop ..so you gained a "viewer hit"...you're welcome).

Yeah, right, it was aimed at a stranger who came into his house and got hold of his computer and posted the video under Tom's name, to whom you did not direct your comments.

Highly convincing. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Rising Sun*
01-23-2016, 05:49 AM
PS no-one ever wondered why "Tom" never joins the discussion ?

No.

I figured he might be like the kids who respond to schoolyard bullying by keeping a low profile.



and no one noticed that "Tom" sends the same youtube link to many other war fora around the world ?
hmmm ?

Tom is on more than one forum!

Quelle horreur!


What a treacherous bastard!

Shit! Jesus H Christ on a bicyle! F**k me roan!

Someone get the FBI / CIA / SAS onto this threat to harmony on the internet.

Then again, he hasn't earned himself a forum holiday by being a persistently negative, carping, condescending, supercilious, self-righteous *****, which shows the wisdom of not responding in kind to a persistently negative, carping, condescending, supercilious, self-righteous *****.

Perhaps you'd like to keep that in mind when you come back from holidays.

Although I'm betting you won't.

tankgeezer
01-23-2016, 09:33 AM
The Militant Arm of WW2inc is prepping to deploy, to quell this disaster as we speak! ;)

garm1and
01-24-2016, 08:09 AM
I like it! 7612

JR*
01-25-2016, 04:10 AM
In fairness, not Irish troops. The real Irish special forces - the Army "Ranger Wing" - are a very tough bunch, given to training with the likes of the SAS and the German border guard. They have also served with UN peacekeeping forces in west Africa, and a "peace enforcement" mission to the steaming jungles of East Timor. Not to be messed with ... JR.

tankgeezer
01-25-2016, 07:39 AM
In fairness, not Irish troops. The real Irish special forces - the Army "Ranger Wing" - are a very tough bunch, given to training with the likes of the SAS and the German border guard. They have also served with UN peacekeeping forces in west Africa, and a "peace enforcement" mission to the steaming jungles of East Timor. Not to be messed with ... JR.
I did try to find the image sans fake poster border, to no avail. Just think of them as the WW2inc special drinking forces.... Their Motto, "Ne quid inter nos ac dolor " (Don't come between us an' our Pints) ;) :)

Frankly Dude Really
01-29-2016, 02:12 AM
My apologies.

I was under the misapprehension that you were referring solely to Tom when you started your critique of his video with:



Yeah, right, it was aimed at a stranger who came into his house and got hold of his computer and posted the video under Tom's name, to whom you did not direct your comments.

Highly convincing. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


he sucks or it sucks ? Now there is a proper difference.

it sucks; like ***** can be many things. Which is it ?:

suckle,
wet-nurse,
imbibe,
breastfeed,
drink,
give suck,
lactate,
nurse
intake,
sucking,
consumption,
ingestion,
uptake,
suction
absorb,
suck in,
take in
blow,
go down on,
fellate,
excite,
stir,
stimulate
draw,
blot,
take up,
imbibe,
absorb,
mop,
wipe up,
soak up,
take in,
mop up,
suck up,
sop up,
sponge up
That is worthless. Yuck! That sucks! This meat loaf is terrible.
insufficient. worthless. bad. inappropriate. all things negative.underperforming.



Now, the *****
what could that possibly mean ?

Is it in the eye of the beholder ?

Then what is N****R ? or Burning j*w ?
(southpark hint)

Nickdfresh
01-29-2016, 07:59 AM
Coming back for a troll through the site?

tankgeezer
01-29-2016, 10:01 AM
Not for long though I think.

Firefly
02-10-2016, 03:16 PM
Is war beyond our understanding? For several months I've read many different opinions on this subject throughout the forum (some others) which has been extremely enlightening.

With this question in mind and being a Film Editor I decided to create a video titled 'Our Wars In 2 Minutes' that covers the major wars since WW1 up until ISIS. WW2 is the longest section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BumcS6dlrVU&feature=youtu.be

Having worked on this for a couple of months it would be extremely rewarding to hear back from a community that has informed much of my knowledge on international conflicts and warfare.

I've seen this on a few sites now. Are you hawking it round the bazaars for a reason?