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JR*
12-08-2015, 05:19 AM
:confused: Let's see. Mosques should be placed under surveillance; Moslems should be made to wear "identity badges"; Moslems should be forbidden from entering the United States (including US citizens who happen to be outside the country) ... Donald Trump is beginning to remind me of a certain personality from the fairly recent past, but I'm not sure who ... Yours from the Beer Cellar, JR.

Nickdfresh
12-09-2015, 10:47 AM
He's becoming rather unhinged. Some people see him as refreshing and honest, but I think he's the drunk guy in the bar that has diarrhea of the mouth...

tankgeezer
12-09-2015, 10:59 AM
He may feel himself to be outspokenly honest, and perhaps to a degree he is. (He is a business man, and making Pitches is part of the marketing game, so some hyperbole, and Bombast should be expected) But more often these days I hear conservative people shifting from the Donald to Ben Carson, or Carly Fiorina . The reason being that Talk is cheap, and while speaking skills are a good, and useful trait for a President, the job is less about fiery oratory, and more about wits, and reason.

leccy
12-10-2015, 07:13 AM
There are calls by MP's in the UK to ban him from Britain under the same rules that ban hate preachers and extremists.

tankgeezer
12-10-2015, 08:39 AM
Might work, unless he is actually elected to the Office.

leccy
12-10-2015, 08:55 AM
Would be interesting as Britain has banned other national leaders due to their politics and actions.

JR*
12-10-2015, 09:23 AM
I understand that the UK (like here in the Emerald Isle) has a procedure whereby securing a substantial number of signatures to a public petition (300,000 in UK, I think) in favour of a particular topic requires the House of Commons to debate the matter - whether in Select Committee or on the Floor of the whole House I am not sure. The result of any such process would count as "advice" to the Government, but would not compel it to act in accordance with the result. At least one British national newspaper, this morning, claimed that the required number of signatures had been obtained for an "exclude Trump" proposal. I understand that the UK has, in the past, excluded a number of foreign politicians and agitators, but never, I think, in response to a public petition. I am not sure whether "the Don" has any intention of visiting Britain in the near future - but I can easily see why the British Government would welcome such a visit like a hole in the head ... Yours from Doonbeg (Trump) Golf Resort, JR.

JR*
12-10-2015, 09:27 AM
PS - I recall that there was a strong campaign to exclude Robert Mugabe, Dimzabwe's geriatric dictator, from the country on an occasion on which he was due to visit on an official/protocol occasion. Not sure whether there was a petition attempted here. At any rate, the proposal went nowhere; Mugabe's visit went ahead. Best regards, JR.

leccy
12-10-2015, 12:05 PM
The present move against Trump has the backing of (and instigation) of a few members of the very left leaning opposition. It would be awkward for the present government but probably no more so than the recent Saudi visit or Chinese State visit.

pdf27
12-10-2015, 01:52 PM
I understand that the UK (like here in the Emerald Isle) has a procedure whereby securing a substantial number of signatures to a public petition (300,000 in UK, I think) in favour of a particular topic requires the House of Commons to debate the matter - whether in Select Committee or on the Floor of the whole House I am not sure. The result of any such process would count as "advice" to the Government, but would not compel it to act in accordance with the result. At least one British national newspaper, this morning, claimed that the required number of signatures had been obtained for an "exclude Trump" proposal. I understand that the UK has, in the past, excluded a number of foreign politicians and agitators, but never, I think, in response to a public petition. I am not sure whether "the Don" has any intention of visiting Britain in the near future - but I can easily see why the British Government would welcome such a visit like a hole in the head ... Yours from Doonbeg (Trump) Golf Resort, JR.
The required threshold for a debate in Parliament is 100,000 - to date the total has reached 450,000.

tankgeezer
12-10-2015, 09:18 PM
Some say (sorry Top Gear) that he will be attacked for his being an outsider who has the means to win an election without the help of the political establishment, and this in the minds of those insiders makes him unpredictable, and uncontrollable (not under the thumb) by the establishment. They also fear that Trump will make good on his statements that he will root out culpable politicians, and prosecute them and happily assist in demolishing the legally questionable acts of predecessors' Administrations. (Not play the good old boy game) It will be interesting to see what happens should he find himself elected next year. Personally, I don't believe that he would much care if the U.K. wouldn't allow him to visit. Who knows, he may own some of it.

leccy
12-11-2015, 05:31 AM
Some say (sorry Top Gear) that he will be attacked for his being an outsider who has the means to win an election without the help of the political establishment, and this in the minds of those insiders makes him unpredictable, and uncontrollable (not under the thumb) by the establishment. They also fear that Trump will make good on his statements that he will root out culpable politicians, and prosecute them and happily assist in demolishing the legally questionable acts of predecessors' Administrations. (Not play the good old boy game) It will be interesting to see what happens should he find himself elected next year. Personally, I don't believe that he would much care if the U.K. wouldn't allow him to visit. Who knows, he may own some of it.

He badgered Scotland to sell him a site for a golf course I despite local protests. Politicians were his friends after his showmanship sold the ideas. But some of his comments a deliberately inflamatory, he says we have a Muslim problem in the UK, we have radical muslims we also have radical Christians.

We have Christians murdering each other in the UK over centuries old issues (oddly they stopped when 9/11 happened and US support for their 'political wings' ended, never mind a few months later when a few of their members were caught training drug lords how to fight US troops).

The vast majority though of all the various religions do not have an agenda or any issues, comments like his though sow distrust and cause issues, can be used to sway people.


US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has claimed the UK has a “massive Muslim problem” as a petition to bar him from visiting Britain topped 400,000 signatures.



Mr Trump also claimed yesterday that he should be thanked for investing in Scotland instead of stripped of an honorary degree and axed as a business ambassador.

Robert Gordon University (RGU) in Aberdeen this week revoked the doctorate of business administration he was awarded in 2010 amid outrage over his calls for Muslims to be barred from entering the US.

And First Minister Nicola Sturgeon removed his membership of the GlobalScot business network.


Mr Trump had been appointed as a GlobalScot ambassador by Labour's then first minister Jack McConnell in 2006.
However, a Scottish government spokeswoman said on Wednesday that Mr Trump's "recent remarks have shown he is no longer fit to be a business ambassador for Scotland".
Mr Trump - who has developed a golf resort at Menie, north of Aberdeen - was awarded an honorary degree by RGU in 2010.
But the university said his comments had been "wholly incompatible" with its ethos and values.


The US presidential hopeful said: "I have done so much for Scotland, including building Trump International Golf Links, Scotland, which has received the highest accolades, and is what many believe to be one of the greatest golf courses anywhere in the world.
"Additionally, I have made a significant investment in the redevelopment of the iconic Turnberry Resort, which will have massive ballrooms, complete room refurbishments, a new golf course and a total rebuilding of the world famous Ailsa course to the highest standards and specifications of the Royal and Ancient.
"If they - Nicola Sturgeon and RGU - were going to do this, they should have informed me prior to my major investment in this £200m development, which will totally revitalise that vast region of Scotland.
"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness."

Rising Sun*
12-11-2015, 06:20 AM
Trump is a modern American version of Enoch Powell, with none of Powell's intellect and sophistication but, alas, all of Powell's ability to play to the lowest, meanest and uninformed beliefs and unfounded fears in the moronic majority of voters which responds to political histrionics unaffected by rational analysis and knowledge.

Powell's Rivers of Blood speech http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html is a template for the xenophobic fear-mongering of the likes of Trump in all nations, who predict the destruction of their nation if is not oppressed, excluded and, ideally in Trump's case, sent back where they came from.

No doubt the native peoples in the USA, Canada, South America, Africa, Australia, and many other places would think this is a good idea if the clock could be wound back a century or five.

Unfortunately for them, the immigrants who displaced their ageless possession of their lands over the past few centuries are predominantly European.

And now the Europeans (in the widest sense of those with European origins in English speaking countries outside continental Europe and Britain) who, on the historical time scale, very recently took the lands of the native peoples by violent conquest at worst and brutal dispossession at best are moaning about Muslims being a threat to the end of civilisation as we know it. I'm old enough to remember much the same complaints (as stated by Powell) in my country since WWII about Vietnamese (oddly enough fleeing the land laid waste by my country and others supposedly to defend the world from communism and then abandoned to communists), Greeks, Italians, Maltese, Cypriots, Turks, Yugoslavs, Balts, etc etc.

I don't have any problem with rounding up and imprisoning or even executing people who are major threats to local or international peace and harmony (which, admittedly, put the likes of Dubya, Rumsfeld, etc at risk not so long ago when they were pursuing the same policy in Iraq), but I have a major problem with a modern form of Nazism which attributes all the ills of the world to a given religion and wants to persecute all its adherents.

If Trump was focused on violent jihadists it wouldn't worry me, but focusing on all Muslims is no different to the Nazis focusing on all Jews. Or the Zionists in Israel focusing on Palestinians who, quite unreasonably in the Zionists' view, are still pissed off about being kicked out of their homes and homeland and relentlessly oppressed by the Zionist invader. Or the same sorts of mindless oppression and extermination which fuelled Rwanda, Kampuchea, etc etc

Anyway, democracy being the great achievement that it is in America and elsewhere, where the person / party with the most money has a much better chance of winning, Trump deserves to win if that's what his money buys and the electorate wants. Then he can set about denying equal rights to Muslims, Mexicans, and everyone else he doesn't like by rounding them up and shipping them out, contrary to the US Constitution / Bill of Rights which, quaintly, contemplates that only wrong doers shall be subjected to lawful penalties.


[I]Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Rising Sun*
12-11-2015, 07:14 AM
The US presidential hopeful said: "I have done so much for Scotland, including building Trump International Golf Links, Scotland, which has received the highest accolades, and is what many believe to be one of the greatest golf courses anywhere in the world.
"Additionally, I have made a significant investment in the redevelopment of the iconic Turnberry Resort, which will have massive ballrooms, complete room refurbishments, a new golf course and a total rebuilding of the world famous Ailsa course to the highest standards and specifications of the Royal and Ancient.
"If they - Nicola Sturgeon and RGU - were going to do this, they should have informed me prior to my major investment in this £200m development, which will totally revitalise that vast region of Scotland.
"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness."

None of Trump's alleged vast financial contributions to stopping Scotland sinking unforgotten into the North Sea would have occurred if the Scots, being a people disposed to perverse pastimes to while away long dull nights in the gorse when the haggis isn't flowering, or whatever gives rise to haggi reproducing, hadn't invented golf.

If Trump wasn't such a historically ignorant, self-centred, smug, unoriginal capitalist bigot who has managed to reduce in real terms the worth of the wealth he inherited while persuading the gullible television world, and lately the American electorate, that he is the improbable capitalist child of King Midas and Jesus Christ incarnate, he'd know that he should be grateful to the Scots for inventing golf, without which he couldn't be stroking his knob with misplaced self-satisfaction that he is conferring untold wealth on the Picts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4

JR*
12-16-2015, 05:57 AM
Latest Trumpery - the Don want's to close down "parts of our Internet" where "our enemies" are active, and use what is left of it "to find out ... all about ISIS and kill it". On this point, I gather that one very elderly US public representative tweeted "I don't think it works like that". For some reason, Trump does not seem to know this. Even I know this. Meanwhile, Trump continues to dominate the opinion polls, lording it over his rivals for the Republican nomination. Of course the Republican leadership hates Trump, and for good reason. As for their support base ... do they really, really want to lose the General Election ? Or is it just a lot of naughty Democrats taking the p*ss ? JR.

tankgeezer
12-16-2015, 09:29 AM
The Primary debates are pretty much a beauty contest, and Promotions, and Marketing show, just a mechanism for creating Buzz. There is seldom much of anything during them that is really a decision maker. It's a long way to Polling time, and much more Hay to be made by both sides.

witman111
12-18-2015, 08:39 AM
From the look of things Trump will follow path of J.F Kennedy and he even doesn't know it...
Putin on the other hand HAS control over Russia's security apparatus and is unlikely to be killed by it.

JR*
01-20-2016, 08:25 AM
The vault opened and therefrom emerged ... Morticia Palin ! Trump - Palin ... could this be the Dream (or Nightmare) Ticket ? Yours from a very deep mineshaft, JR.

Panzerknacker
01-20-2016, 08:40 AM
Muslim are a a problem, if we want to realize and say that at loud or not doest change a thing, the case in Europe, countries like France, Sweden, UK, Germany is particulary sad and tragic, the tragedies that sucedded were all very previsible, I recomend to read the late Oriana Fallaci.

Rising Sun*
01-21-2016, 06:48 AM
Muslim are a a problem, if we want to realize and say that at loud or not doest change a thing, the case in Europe, countries like France, Sweden, UK, Germany is particulary sad and tragic, the tragedies that sucedded were all very previsible, I recomend to read the late Oriana Fallaci.

I've never thought about it till now, but I'd guess that the Muslim population in South American countries would be pretty small. Is it?

Panzerknacker
01-21-2016, 06:55 AM
I've never thought about it till now, but I'd guess that the Muslim population in South American countries would be pretty small. Is it?

Is small and they never put the religion in front of the nationality, in Europe is completely otherwise.

Rising Sun*
01-21-2016, 08:40 AM
Is small and they never put the religion in front of the nationality, in Europe is completely otherwise.

Maybe it has something to do with South America being part of the New World, which was settled mainly by the Spanish and Portuguese not, in historical time, all that long after the Moors / Muslims were expelled from the Iberian Peninsula, so that there was a fresh start in South America.

It's interesting to look at maps of Europe to see how far Islam penetrated in Spain, France, and the Balkans, getting towards the borders of what is now Austria, and how long it lasted under the Ottoman Empire. The current mass migrations are less warlike, but perhaps just another step in the endless ebb and flow of peoples across the Mediterranean and through Turkey.

JR*
01-21-2016, 09:38 AM
How did this thread switch onto Islam ? In any event, expulsions or not, it was less than likely the Muslims (or suspected "closet Muslims") would have featured much in Spanish or Portuguese emigration to the New World. These were, from the start, conceived as Christian, Catholic Castilian/Portuguese enterprises, and the respective Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions, very active in the New World, would have been effective in eliminating those who fell through the cracks. Mass migrations of the sort we are now experiencing are not that uncommon in early history. A good example, in fact, is the "Islamic conquest" of the 7th to 8th century. This was triggered, in part, by an episode of climate change, in which the Arabian peninsula became a lot more hostile to human occupation. Islam supplied the zeal; necessity enforced the movement.

As regards today's migration - this may be less warlike, but it is still troubling. The "Islamic conquest" of the 7th and 8th centuries, allied to the movement of Islamic converts from the Caucasus and from North Africa, effectively destroyed Roman/Byzantine civilization through a large part of the Middle East and North Africa, not to mention the Christian civilization of Visigothic Spain. The fact that the current migration is, generally, non-violent does not mean that it could cause serious damage to current "European civilization", not least because the latter is pretty fragile at the moment. Short of a level of ruthlessness - and competence - unlikely to be displayed by our current leaders, considerable damage may be unavoidable. In any event, I shall probably be in my urn before the full consequences manifest themselves ... Yours from the Lentil Factory, JR.

Rising Sun*
01-21-2016, 10:35 AM
How did this thread switch onto Islam ?

I blame Donald Duck.

Sorry, j'accuse the less amusing cartoon character known as Donald Trump.

Anyway, so far this thread is limited to Muslims.

There's the other M word: Mexicans.

And, should he be elected by a sufficient number of his lunatic countrymen, the other M word.

Mayhem, in popular usage, but more like riot.

JR*
01-25-2016, 04:20 AM
Speaking of Mexicans - I recall somebody in the States doing an amusing movie some years ago based on the idea that all the Gringos and Brothers in California wake up one morning ... and all the Mexicans have vanished. Total chaos ensues, as oranges and grapes are not picked, lawns are not mowed, houses are not cleaned, roofs are not repaired ... This is actually not just a humorous caprice; it is a realistic indication of what would actually happen if all the Mexicans (even just all the illegals) suddenly went home, leaving the "native" Americans to do their own less desirable work. This may seem a bit remote to the "Holy rollers" of Iowa; but the US economy is significantly dependent on the availability of Hispanic labor, and not just in California. Do simplistic, populist, nonsensical solutions to the problem of illegal immigration really "sell" on the US political circuit ? Apparently, it does ... Yours from the Big Fence, JR.

JR*
03-14-2016, 08:30 AM
Ah - now I get it ! The Donald wants to restore some grand traditions of US politics, such as the practice of holding "Donnybrook Fair"-style riots around political conferences. I am just old enough to remember the late-'60s. Call in the National Guard. Triple tear gas all round ... JR.

Nickdfresh
03-14-2016, 11:06 AM
I think illusionist, libertarian, Hillary Clinton adversary, and TV personality Penn Jillette is sort of where I am on Trump:


Why Penn Jillette Is Terrified of a President Trump
By Grant Burningham On 3/1/16 at 12:50 PM
If his reaction to Donald Trump has been any guide, comedian Penn Jillette puts a lot of effort into trying to see people's good side. Perhaps that’s why the staunch libertarian—who appeared on Celebrity Apprentice, the GOP front-runner’s reality TV series—counts himself friends with a diverse group that includes Glenn Beck and MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell.

It’s not that the comic and magician can’t be caustic, or even brutal. He once made an on-air joke calling Hillary Clinton a bitch in 2008. And you definitely wouldn’t want to be on his wrong side during an episode of his former series Bullshit! on Showtime. However, Jillette’s tendency to try to find some common ground with people in power—though the Clintons seem to be an exception—is probably why he had nice things to say about Trump, albeit with some straining, when he joined Celebrity Apprentice in 2011. But not anymore.

“The problem is, I know Trump, so my optimism has been squashed like a baby bird,” he tells Newsweek.

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Penn Jillette has been frank about Donald Trump, but now he's worried. Mario Anzuoni/Reuters

Even now, Jillette says he’s pretty sure he liked Trump more than anyone else who has been on the show. Several of his co-stars “absolutely loathed him,” he says.

Jillette appeared on two seasons on Celebrity Apprentice, including one in which Trump fired him because “he didn’t like me,” Jillette says, “and I thought that was completely fair, because he decides.” The two were frank, Jillette says. “Everything bad I had to say about him, I said to his face.” And Jillette kept on saying what nice things he could think of about the host. “I think he’s very good, very compelling on that show,” he says.

The mostly decent rapport changed—publicly, anyway—when Trump the TV star became Trump the candidate. Jillette says he went on TV and said that while he liked Trump as a reality TV host and as a person, he disagreed with him profoundly on political issues. (And there was also the business of Jillette's joke that Trump’s hair looked like “cotton candy made of piss.” That comment seemed to sour the relationship permanently.)

Soon Trump was tweeting that he thought Jillette’s Broadway show was terrible (or so he’d heard). It could have been just another celebrity Twitter beef, with the added weight of one participant being in the running to become the leader of the free world, but even then Jillette didn’t respond in kind.

It’s also probably why he started this interview by saying everything nice he could about Trump. “I really like him because of his absence of filters. I really like the glimpse we get into the human heart we get when someone loses their filters,” he says approvingly. He quotes one of his longtime heroes, Thelonious Monk, who said, “A genius is the one most like himself.” “In a really weird way, Donald Trump has achieved that,” Jillette says, adding that the outspokenness is a trait held by Bob Dylan, another of Jillette’s heroes.

“If he weren’t running for president, you’d be seeing essays from me about how much I learned from Donald Trump and how much I loved being on the show,” Jillette says.

But that’s where the niceness stops.

Like most of the country, Jillette says he’s now coming to terms with the fact that despite the pundit predictions and popular wisdom, there is a real possibility that Trump could be president. “It’s beyond my imagination,” he says.

“I’m feeling so, so, so guilty, because I feel like, along with millions of other people, I played right into this. The cynicism of the Clintons, the careful, tightrope walk of all politicians, forced me, as an atheist, to get down on my knees and pray that someone would come along with some kind of authenticity,” Jillette says. “Well, someone called my bluff, goddamn it.”

Jillette claims that Trump, Richard Nixon and Hillary Clinton are the only three politicians he's heard of who people like less after meeting.

“The stuff [Trump] is saying on immigration, the stuff he saying on torture, the stuff he is saying on war, is absolutely unforgivable,” Jillette says. “He is coming out directly against the Statue of Liberty.”

There’s also the issue of nuclear weapons. He notes that another presidential candidate, Ted Cruz, has joined Trump in promising to use them. “I’m a pure and utter peacenik. I want a president who sings the praises of people, sings the praises of peace and sings the praises of working together for a great country,” Jillette says.

“Abraham Lincoln wouldn’t have laughed about waterboarding,” he adds.

Jillette’s libertarian politics appeared occasionally on the topics he debunked for his skeptical show Bullshit! that appeared on Showtime from 2003 to 2010. He’s also occasionally been a commentator on cable networks, sometimes appearing on Beck’s program to blast Obama.

And he’s never been shy about what he doesn’t like about the current president, which includes Obama’s use of drones, his perceived expansion of the federal government and his continued stance against legal marijuana. Which is why it’s such a shock to hear him say, “If you told me right now I could have another eight years of Obama, I would not hesitate to grab at it."

“He is unquestionably good and unquestionably smarter than I am, which is putting the bar pretty low. I want a president that is kinder, smarter and more measured than me," he says.

“My friend Christopher Hitchens wrote a book called No One Left to Lie To about the Clintons,” Jillette says. “I have written and spoken and joked with friends the meanest, cruelest, most hateful things that could ever been said by me, have been said about the Clintons. I loathe them. I disagree with Hillary Clinton on just about everything there is to disagree with a person about. If it comes down to Trump and Hillary, I will put a Hillary Clinton sticker on my ****ing car.”

But he says he hopes the race will turn out well enough that he feels safe casting his vote for Gary Johnson, who is running on the libertarian ticket, and who he believes is the best choice.

He’s also taking what positives he can find from the 2016 campaign. He says that Jeb Bush’s belly flop as a presidential candidate shows that Citizen’s United, the Supreme Court case that opened the door to well-funded super PACs, didn’t decide the outcome of elections. Bush was a candidate with huge money backing who couldn't buy his way into office.

Jillette also says Trump has proved that the American people appreciate someone speaking openly. “Someone who is paying attention can do the same thing that Trump is doing with hate, and do it with love, and become president,” he says. “That’s kind of beautiful. There’s nothing more optimistic than that.”

And as for Trump, Jillette says there’s still a chance that tides could turn for the seemingly unstoppable real estate scion turned reality TV star.

“Donald Trump does, when it comes right down to it, **** up everything,” he says. “He ****s up his casinos. He ****s up his buildings.... Maybe he’ll **** up his campaign before he ****s up the country.”

Newsweek LINK (http://www.newsweek.com/penn-jillette-terrified-president-trump-431837)

JR*
03-16-2016, 10:14 AM
I don't know the full count of Trump's committed delegates for the Convention at this stage - but it does look as if he has a very fair chance to come out as candidate. Not surprised that the Republican establishment is terrified by this. Owing to the late thinning out of the competition, it may be very difficult to head him off without a blatantly rigged Convention. Equally hard to see how he could beat Mrs Clinton in the General Election, in view of the many political constituencies he has pissed off. We shall see. JR.

tankgeezer
03-16-2016, 11:26 PM
As long as Mrs. Clinton is not under indictment, or information, she can if chosen as the Candidate, stand in the Election. As to her having sufficient voter backing to win, well, that's another story. People are beginning to see her true self now that the FBI, and the DOJ are seriously investigating her, and one of her staff has been granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for testimony. Her political future is becoming less certain with each passing week. This will be a very interesting year. (But not just for the U.S.)

Churchill
03-17-2016, 02:01 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35828747

I'll just leave that there...

tankgeezer
03-18-2016, 07:41 AM
And to all of these things Mr. Trump will answer,,,

Rising Sun*
03-18-2016, 08:37 AM
And to all of these things Mr. Trump will answer,,,

Looks like he's wearing a latex glove on his right hand.

Which confirms his status as an unashamed wanker.

(And, given the abnormal backwardly bent top of his right thumb, either he has pluckin' banjo thumbs - "squeal like a pig" - or he's just ejaculated through his thumb into his glove. Either way, he is seriously weird.)

tankgeezer
03-18-2016, 08:52 AM
He is very nontraditional, thats for sure. Some of the People of the U.S. seem to want someone who is not an insider of the Old Boys political club, but instead is a real World business oriented outsider that is not dancing to the tune of the puppeteers who seek to influence so many of the others, be it PAC's, Parties, special interest groups etc. Given the number of well proven wankers we've had over the last 20 yrs, it seems prudent enough to give Trump a shot, especially since he is at this point, the current winner of the conservative race. But there is still a long stretch of time before November, so who knows what the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate may bring to us. ;) :)

Rising Sun*
03-19-2016, 08:02 AM
Some of the People of the U.S. seem to want someone who is not an insider of the Old Boys political club, but instead is a real World business oriented outsider that is not dancing to the tune of the puppeteers who seek to influence so many of the others, be it PAC's, Parties, special interest groups etc.

Same with a lot of people here, including me to the extent that I want to see the end of political party hacks who think politics is a career for power hungry arseholes rather than a noble community service by principled people, regardless of their political persuasion.

Problem is, the likes of Trump and our last equivalent rich ****head getting elected down here, although fortunately not to national leadership in our case (or maybe not so fortunate, given the bozo we actually got who duly got rolled by his own party for also being a ****head), is that they are still drawn from a selfish unrepresentative rich elite who have nothing in common with sections of the electorate at large which stupidly think these political clowns will somehow be different from every other arsehole who seeks power for its own sake.

The only difference between Trump and his current opponents in both parties and previously is that he says he's using his own money, instead of other people's, to buy his way into power. And maybe not even his own money, as it now turns out that our last equivalent ****head has duly let his companies which funded his campaign go belly up, leaving his workers out of jobs. And this from our supposed 'man of the people' who was going to bring a new honesty to our politics. Of course, there is no reason to expect from Trump's spectacular corporate bankruptcy history that he would be such a personal and political turd as our equivalent rich ****head. Yeah, right!

Anyway, as far as Trump goes, the last I heard he had only about 400 delegates to 600 for the other Republican contenders, so he's obviously not the overwhelming choice of the GOP. If his Republican opponents could do the unthinkable for self-seeking politicians and agree to drop out all but the most favoured candidate, Trump probably loses the nomination and the GOP saves the planet from unnecessary international instability and conflict because a ****wit has control of the big red button.

EDIT: Beats me why arsehole gets through the forum filter but Richard Cranium (= di*khead) doesn't, when the former is anatomically correct and the latter isn't. Probably a filter designed by the same sort of morons who control what our politicians say publicly so that none of it is consistent or rational, much like many of their personal lives, such as this bloke. Personally, I'd vote for him, if only for his idiosyncratic dress sense and just to stick it up the establishment, of which he was very much part until these photos appeared in the press.

http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2015/07/27/11/lordcoke2.jpg

aly j
03-26-2016, 05:40 AM
Go trump! He understands what's going on and I wish Europe had a Trump too.

aly j
03-26-2016, 05:44 AM
Wasn't for Open boarders and allowing so many Muslims in, we wouldn't have terror attacks. So trump has a point! Not sayn all Muslims are bad, but the amount of Muslims entering out countries makes bigger risks of home grown terror attacks.

Rising Sun*
03-26-2016, 09:14 AM
Wasn't for Open boarders

I'm confused by what you mean by "open boarders", as boarders are, by definition, residents who pay for their board. What do they do they do to make themselves "open"?


and allowing so many Muslims in, we wouldn't have terror attacks. So trump has a point! Not sayn all Muslims are bad, but the amount of Muslims entering out countries makes bigger risks of home grown terror attacks.

So allowing Muslim immigrants in is the present problem, rather than the few people who choose to follow the Islamic radicalism funded all over the planet by the oil rich Saudi Wahhabists and its virulent extensions flowering in all the appalling atrocities of ISIS? http://www.mmg.com.au/local-news/shepparton/imam-condemns-iraq-violence-1.74895

As for Muslim immigrants being responsible for terrorist attacks, how many generations back do you want to go?


Australia’s three terrorist attacks in the past 18 months at Endeavour Hills police station in Melbourne, the Lindt cafe in Martin Place and Parramatta police station in Sydney were undertaken by Australians. Man Haron Monis came to Australia 18 years earlier and had become a citizen. Numan Haider and Farhad Jabar came to Australia as children with their families. Foreign fighters Jake Bilardi and Oliver Bridgeman (although disputed) are Australian-born converts to Islam, while Abdullah Elmir (known as “Ginger Jihadi”) and Khaled Sharrouf were born here. We see a similar pattern in those arrested for plotting terrorist acts and providing other support.

Only those on the extreme Right would suggest that all terrorist attacks in Europe are caused by refugees. We have seen in Europe that such rhetoric has the potential to tear apart communities; oversimplifying the issue serves only to exacerbate the problem and risks taking away the focus from other areas necessary to our strategy to counter this threat. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/strong-borders-migration-screenings-vital-to-our-security/news-story/887bc695f0714f36fa9ff113da9a0aa3

Or this home grown non-immigrant in England: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423758/Brainwashing-Jihadi-Jack-parents-respectable-reveal-middle-class-boy-Oxford-recruited-Islamic-fanatics.html

Applying your same reasoning to the Catholic Church and the Italian Mafia in Australia would mean that if we stopped further immigration by Catholics and Italians this would see the end of crimes by Catholics, notably sexual abuse of children by Catholic clergy and religious orders, and Italian mafiosi, notably drug dealing, extortion,murder and various other quaint but violent Calabrian and Neapolitan customs.

Alas, that wouldn't get rid of the various Catholics and Italians, some of them like me (proudly not Italian) sixth and seventh generation Australians with, in my case, some difficulty in authorities knowing whence to send my dissected parts for my various heritages (Irish, Cornish, Dutch, French, Portuguese etc).

The only way to stop these Catholic and Italian crimes is to expel all Catholics and all people of Italian descent from Australia, which is the logical extension of your view that we should not allow any more Muslims into Australia because some might be terrorists. How many innocents do you think should be expelled to get rid of a few criminals?

Or is it just that the ones born or previously here are okay and not a threat? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28672826

How are you going to deal with the families of Australians who aren't Muslims but who are associated with vile Australian born jihadists such as Sharrouf? http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/the-life-and-crimes-of-australian-jihadist-khaled-sharrouf/5670312

For example, what do you think should be done with Sharrouf's non-Muslim Australian mother in law who still has understandable concerns for her grandchildren?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/karen-nettleton-says-her-orphaned-grandchildren-are-starving-in-iscontrolled-syria-20160213-gmtbo5.html

I don't have a problem with wiping out everyone like Sharrouf and his ISIS mates, and refusing to let his children back into Australia despite their grandmother's understandable desire to save her grandchildren from the consequences of the jihadist culture their parents took them to for, presumably, the perceived benefit of those children.

Nonetheless, I can't agree with you that the major current problem is "allowing so many Muslims in, we wouldn't have terror attacks".

Most of the poor bastards coming to the West from Muslim countries are fleeing circumstances of which we have no experience or real conception in the West, and many of those circumstances have been created or assisted by the West over many centuries, and increasingly post-WWII.

As with the various earlier floods of refugees after WWII, Greek Colonels, Vietnam War, etc, most of these migrants will bring and in many cases keep alive their own cultures while fitting new blocks into the walls which build and enrich our various nations.

I'd happily send to a remote island close to, or preferably under, Antarctica for the hopefully very short rest of their destructive lives all those among them who choose to be serious criminals in our new land, be they the various forms of organised or disorganised crime and jihadists who all undermine the society in the new land which gave them succour.

But that's not a reason to treat all of their former countrypeople as a threat when they're just poor bastards trying for a new life in a new land where they take advantage of their opportunities and uphold our principles, which often works rather well.

http://amesnews.com.au/lead-story/karen-nhill-experiment-regional-settlement/

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/04/20/4220107.htm



the amount of Muslims entering out countries makes bigger risks of home grown terror attacks.

Ever considered the possibility that if the West hadn’t consistently been interfering in the Middle East, notably in support of Israel’s land grabbing and oppression of the Palestinians at the same time as, for example, a few decades ago, supporting the Iranian Pahlavi regime and its SAVAK secret police and similar regimes elsewhere then and even now, there wouldn’t have been a PLO and its bombings, Munich etc and the current Islamic jihadists? Ably encouraged by Pahlavi/ SAVAK equivalents in just about every Islamic country in the Middle East / Central Asia which often, as in Egypt in particular, were tasked to oppose the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood which sought to impose Sharia (not the usual “Sharia law” corruption in popular Western discourse but Sharia in the true sense of a nation united and run under their version of pure Islam).

As for the recent bombings in Brussels and Paris, and at the risk of being called once again an insensitive and heartless arsehole who raises historical facts to balance national and or international outpourings of grief in the interests of aiming for understanding the flow of history, compare these relatively trivial events in Brussels and Paris to the colonial activities of the Belgians and French as recently as half a century ago in suppressing democratic self-determination desires in their African colonies, never mind the brutal actions of the Belgians in particular in the Congo in the first half of the 20th century. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jul/18/congo.andrewosborn

Given this history, does Brussels really deserve its position as the capital of the European Union and that Union’s grand conception of itself as the bastion of human rights law?

Why should there be such current, but certainly justified,outrage about the latest Brussels attacks yet none about Belgium's dark colonial past?

Nickdfresh
03-26-2016, 03:04 PM
Wasn't for Open boarders and allowing so many Muslims in, we wouldn't have terror attacks. So trump has a point! Not sayn all Muslims are bad, but the amount of Muslims entering out countries makes bigger risks of home grown terror attacks.

What's his point? No "Muslim" terror attacks have happened in the U.S. because of "open borders." It's a complex problem but has a lot to do with vast differences between Euro and American cultures regarding immigrants. In the U.S. integration is fostered more so in Europe where Muslims seem to wall themselves off into ghettos...

Nickdfresh
03-26-2016, 04:09 PM
Trump is a charlatan fraud: http://gawker.com/a-complete-list-of...ers-1764151188

aly j
03-27-2016, 12:32 AM
What's his point? No "Muslim" terror attacks have happened in the U.S. because of "open borders." It's a complex problem but has a lot to do with vast differences between Euro and American cultures regarding immigrants. In the U.S. integration is fostered more so in Europe where Muslims seem to wall themselves off into ghettos...

Um...9/11?????????

Well yeah, America has its own culture but was based on and by Europeans.

European immigrants intergrant much better than anyone else because we have same cultures, religions and faiths. Muslims have a total different religion and faiths that clash with foreign cultures. Most Africans seem to adapt to white culture quite well apart from the men who were child soldiers. Asians seem to be like Muslims but more pleasant and peaceful people.

I'm not a fan of multicult and understand Trump... That doesn't mean I'm a Hitler supporter that believes in the Ayran race which I don't. No such thing exists. And don't worry I had arguments with people who believed hitlers policies over Ayrans.

Trump doesn't represents Aryans he represents America and wants majority white America back and to halt Mexican illegal immigrants.

Rising Sun*
03-27-2016, 06:48 AM
It's a complex problem but has a lot to do with vast differences between Euro and American cultures regarding immigrants. In the U.S. integration is fostered more so in Europe where Muslims seem to wall themselves off into ghettos...

A partial explanation: http://www.ibtimes.com/why-do-american-muslims-fare-better-their-french-counterparts-2189449

I suspect that part of the problem for many Muslims in Europe is that they came from the host country's former colonies (notably in France) or as guest workers in the 1960s and 1970s with expectations of a better life matching the average standard of living in the host country, but for various reasons, many beyond their control such as changed economic circumstances in the host country, those expectations were not met.

I suspect also that many Muslims who migrated to America had more marketable skills than, say, the labour cannon fodder often represented by guest workers in Europe, so those who went to America had a wider range of opportunities to satisfy their expectations of a better life and were more likely to be satisfied with their new life and more likely to integrate into the mainstream American community.

Nickdfresh
03-27-2016, 01:22 PM
Um...9/11?????????

Well yeah, America has its own culture but was based on and by Europeans.

European immigrants intergrant much better than anyone else because we have same cultures, religions and faiths. Muslims have a total different religion and faiths that clash with foreign cultures. Most Africans seem to adapt to white culture quite well apart from the men who were child soldiers. Asians seem to be like Muslims but more pleasant and peaceful people.

I'm not a fan of multicult and understand Trump... That doesn't mean I'm a Hitler supporter that believes in the Ayran race which I don't. No such thing exists. And don't worry I had arguments with people who believed hitlers policies over Ayrans.

Trump doesn't represents Aryans he represents America and wants majority white America back and to halt Mexican illegal immigrants.

The 9/11 Conspirators were all here legally on work or education visas (I believe) like thousands if not tens of thousands of others. They came here specifically to conduct the terrorist operation on 9/11 and were not "radicalized" while here. They acted suspiciously and no one took any significant action with their odd behavior in the flight schools. There was enough evidence to begin investigation, no one seemed interested. BTW, most of the 9/11 terrorists came via Europe and their main cell was in Hamburg Germany I think...

Trump is a habitual liar. If you really enjoy his blond, "Aryan" looks, have at him!

Maybe Trump represents these arse'hole "Aryans":


Brussels Raids Continue as Police Disperse Crowds of Self-Described Fascists
DAVID CAPLAN,Good Morning America 2 hours 37 minutes ago
https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/Nful1wACSHqTISTGJS8.Qg--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/EPA_brussels_demonstrators_clash_jt_160327_16x9_99 2.jpg

Raids targeting terror suspects continued Sunday across Belgium as riot police used water cannons to disperse a group of self-described fascists damaging memorials in the capital.

At Place de la Bourse, police broke up crowds who authorities said were throwing rocks and bottles and trampling on tributes to the 28 victims of Tuesday's bombings. Some arrests were made, though police didn't immediately say how many.

The crowd gathered in the same place where a peace march had been scheduled for Sunday but was cancelled over security concerns. Officials said police were stretched too thin with their anti-terror operations to dedicate manpower to the march, which was expected to draw thousands of people.

Amid unrest in the capital, police across Belgium carried out 13 house searches Sunday and detained four people for unspecified terrorism incidents, according to the country's federal prosecutor's office.

At least four others were being held on terrorism-related charges in Belgium. Police in Italy and Germany were also investigating suspects for their possible links to the Brussels attacks.
Americans Killed in Brussels Bombing Were Spouses of US Personnel
Former Belgian Ambassador to US Among Dead in Terror Attacks
Dramatic Video Goes Inside Brussels Airport After Deadly Attacks

While anti-terrorism operations continued across Europe, Belgian Interior Minister Jan Jambon acknowledged decades of neglect had hurt the country's ability to respond to violent extremism despite the government's recent spending on security services.

Jambon said errors were made leading up to last week's attacks in Brussels and the government had invested 600 million euros ($670 million) in the last two years on anti-terror mechanisms, but those investments needed time.

"It is also not because you put the money in now that tomorrow all this is visible on the ground," he said, adding hiring anti-terror specialists could not happen in weeks or months.

The Associated Press contributed to this story.


YAHOO LINK (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/brussels-remains-edge-3-men-face-terror-charges-104953202--abc-news-topstories.html)

JR*
04-04-2016, 08:15 AM
The Belgian Interior Minister is named "Jan Jambon"? Seems appropriate. Yours from the curing shed, JR.

gunner
05-03-2016, 02:19 PM
Watched an interesting program on Trump the other day. its amazing how many failed projects this guy has had over the years, he had to file for bankruptcy at one point due to a failed business in over a billion dollars of debt. For someone who started off with a million dollars inheritance, he doesn't sound all that smart. Admittedly he's got a lot more cash than I have so who am I to talk. Just find it interesting how the voters that back him, do so because of his business acumen, they have no idea about all the cock-ups and failures. I wonder how many cock-ups we'll see if he's put in-charge of a Country. I can't see it myself as it seems like people are losing interest. It was kind of refreshing just to have a different character in the election race but now I'm bored of listening.

tankgeezer
05-04-2016, 08:12 AM
As of last night, Trump is looking like the Candidate for the November elections. Cruz has dropped out, and on the other side, Sanders is looking pretty wobbly. Though if the Convention of the two Party's want to, they can choose who they like. They do have rules, but the past Decade or so, rules don't seem to matter as much in Washington. An interesting year to look forward to.

JR*
05-09-2016, 09:43 AM
The high mandarins of the GOP are on the horns of a dilemma. It is certainly not beyond the scope of their ingenuity to organize some sort of coup at the Convention to deprive The Donald of the nomination. However, this would have at least two adverse consequences; first, it would be easy to make them look like cheats who had deprived the voting members of their selected candidate; also, it would surely be alleged (whether true or not) that corruption was involved in the process. Secondly, The Donald might well make good his threat to run as an independent if failing to be nominated. If either of these things happened (the latter especially), any chance the Republicans had of recovering the White House would likely go up in smoke. I have seen a number of interviews with Republican grandees and former candidates in the last week or so. All looked and sounded as if they were trying to digest a whole unpeeled pineapple in the course of the interviews but, however distasteful they may find the prospect, my suspicion is that tolerating (even if not positively endorsing) a Trump candidacy will present itself as the lesser of two evils. They are likely to go along with the Don, and hope for the best.

Who knows, their case may not be completely hopeless. Mrs Clinton's campaign has scarcely been the coronation procession expected by many. Bernie Sanders is unlikely to beat her at this stage, but he has given her a very good fight. This has already had certain consequences, including the attachment of the Clintons to big money party backers (not that there is anything new about this). In view of this, it is not clear that the more "progressive" element of Democrat support - including Sanders' large, often young and idealistic followers of the sort that supported Obama in early days - will come out in support of Hill on election day. It does not help, either, that the harsher points of her personality have become more evident than in the past due to the requirements of non-stop campaigning. Not to mention the fact that, a faded, wheezing shadow of his former self, the Ghost of Bill still hovers in the vicinity ... All in all, she looks less secure against the populist Trump at this stage than I would have expected.

Could be fun running up to November and (Gods help us) beyond ... Yours from the Clanton Place, fingering my musket, JR.

Rising Sun*
05-09-2016, 10:34 AM
The high mandarins of the GOP are on the horns of a dilemma. It is certainly not beyond the scope of their ingenuity to organize some sort of coup at the Convention to deprive The Donald of the nomination. However, this would have at least two adverse consequences; first, it would be easy to make them look like cheats who had deprived the voting members of their selected candidate; also, it would surely be alleged (whether true or not) that corruption was involved in the process. Secondly, The Donald might well make good his threat to run as an independent if failing to be nominated. If either of these things happened (the latter especially), any chance the Republicans had of recovering the White House would likely go up in smoke. I have seen a number of interviews with Republican grandees and former candidates in the last week or so. All looked and sounded as if they were trying to digest a whole unpeeled pineapple in the course of the interviews but, however distasteful they may find the prospect, my suspicion is that tolerating (even if not positively endorsing) a Trump candidacy will present itself as the lesser of two evils. They are likely to go along with the Don, and hope for the best.

Who knows, their case may not be completely hopeless. Mrs Clinton's campaign has scarcely been the coronation procession expected by many. Bernie Sanders is unlikely to beat her at this stage, but he has given her a very good fight. This has already had certain consequences, including the attachment of the Clintons to big money party backers (not that there is anything new about this). In view of this, it is not clear that the more "progressive" element of Democrat support - including Sanders' large, often young and idealistic followers of the sort that supported Obama in early days - will come out in support of Hill on election day. It does not help, either, that the harsher points of her personality have become more evident than in the past due to the requirements of non-stop campaigning. Not to mention the fact that, a faded, wheezing shadow of his former self, the Ghost of Bill still hovers in the vicinity ... All in all, she looks less secure against the populist Trump at this stage than I would have expected.

Could be fun running up to November and (Gods help us) beyond ... Yours from the Clanton Place, fingering my musket, JR.

At least Americans have the prospect of being able to vote for something other than the pale, insipid and predictable products of two party machines, being Trump as a wild card with Clinton as the pale, insipid and predictable product of her party machine.

Doesn't mean I approve of Trump or would even be remotely likely to vote for him if I was eligible, but if he stood as an independent down here in our looming election between our two major parties of dull apparatchiks I'd vote for him, if only to piss off the two major parties to indicate that it's way past time to stop their internal party circle jerking and get out into the real world and find out what the bulk of the population thinks and wants.

tankgeezer
05-09-2016, 10:50 AM
That is exactly the motive behind his tremendous public support in this election, the People have had enough of of the political Punch, and Judy show. Both sides presumably seeking the same ends by effecting slightly different means. So it is the Finger of Universal understanding that the People present to the Parties. They have begun to see the truth of things, and I find hope for humanity in that. Trump may well win the Nomination, and the General Election. And as you say, just to aggravate the machine politicians, the citizenry will vote for him. We've had some excellent Presidents, and some that were a waste of good oxygen. Trump can't be all that bad. This time I believe that the "Devil you know" will be defeated by the "Devil you don't" And to illustrate this point, you can view an information resource that is preferred by (far too many) people when it comes to making Election related decisions. https://youtu.be/YHyW0N5f7zQ

JR*
07-29-2016, 10:32 AM
The audience is in place ... the sawdust spread ... the gladiators in the arena. Let the games commence ... Yours from the Washington Arena, JR.

tankgeezer
07-29-2016, 01:37 PM
Indeed, all is in readiness. The Bilious clouds of rhetoric will be thicker than the mud they sling. It would be a good idea for Americans to subscribe to other television providers, so thy can avoid the attack ads, and Bafflegab. Netflix is my new best friend ;) :)

JR*
08-04-2016, 04:16 AM
The opening exchanges of this combat have been a bit ... strange. Trump has appeared determined to concentrate on scoring own-blows, refusing to endorse the campaigns of distinguished Congressional Republicans, insulting Muslim war dead, and getting involved in various scraps with other Republican office-holders and donors. In gladiatorial terms, this is rather as if the retelarius is whipping himself with his lead-weighted net while the Thracian looks on, hardly believing her luck. Meanwhile, rumours abound that The Donald's campaign staff are in near-despair, having lost all control of their volatile candidate, and statements from prominent Republicans strongly suggest that the Don's support, away from its hard core, is crumbling at the margins.

What is Trump up to ? Is he really going to follow through with his Presidential bid ? Might his statement that the General Election will be "rigged" suggest that he is preparing to withdraw, before the "Trump brand" is drawn into a huge public failure ? Where would this leave the Republicans ? And, of course, President Obama has asked the $million question - if the Republican Party establishment are so unhappy with "their" candidate, how can they justify their continued support for his candidacy ? Answers on a postcard ... Yours from the lions' cage, JR.

tankgeezer
08-04-2016, 08:17 AM
The Republican Party would not dare to go against the fact that trump has captured the popular vote in the Primaries.(though they may well want to) The Voters have forwarded Trump, not the Party. But they(if they want to continue as a viable political Party) Have to go by the popular vote. They could pull some procedural tricks, but this would only call forth the torches, and Pitchforks of the Voters who supported Trump's efforts. The People have spoken, and the Party had best heed the hue, and cry. In a nutshell that's the reason Trump has the Nomination. He also has a very good possibility of winning the General election in November. (I wonder if all the celebrities who said they were going to leave the U.S. if trump won will be having Rummage sales...) ;) :)
I will agree that this is a strangest, most bejumbled Election cycle I personally have been witness to.

aly j
11-19-2016, 01:27 AM
Like Churchill... Responding to nick fresh drunk post

aly j
11-19-2016, 01:29 AM
https://youtu.be/OCabT_O0YSM

My hero.

Glad the left government has been voted out. Good night left side !!!

tankgeezer
11-20-2016, 10:30 PM
We'll see now what he can pull out of the hat, Trumps success is based greatly in the Citizenry voting against insider dynastic Politics, so I will be watching him as will everyone else who supported him. I for one will be pleased if term limits for the Members of the Houses of Congress are put in place.

Nickdfresh
11-25-2016, 08:10 AM
Like Churchill... Responding to nick fresh drunk post

Drunk or sober talking to a pinhead like you is painful. I wish mom would shut off your interweb...

Nickdfresh
11-25-2016, 08:12 AM
...I for one will be pleased if term limits for the Members of the Houses of Congress are put in place.

Don't hold your breath. We had a State Senator run on that line with a preposterous commercial showing the politicians in Albany screaming in fear of his term limits bill he planned to put out as a freshman senator. They were laughing at the chance to crush any such legislation if he even bothers to honor his campaign promise...

tankgeezer
11-25-2016, 07:05 PM
I don't pin my hopes on it, but it would be interesting to see the Hubbub such a Bill would create. The C-Span coverage of it would take top prize for best reality show. ;) :)

tankgeezer
11-25-2016, 07:06 PM
Drunk or sober talking to a pinhead like you is painful. I wish mom would shut off your interweb...
*****

aly j
12-29-2016, 05:30 AM
Feel the same way with liberals and liberal stupid propaganda. It's like speaking to a brick wall... the reason why trump was voted in over a puppet liberal leader such as hilliary clinton. She was far out of touch with the average American person, plus she spoke left drippled crap that came out of her mouth, people went F ya.... we want trump.... and I don't blame them. Also many African Americans voted for trump... they too are so sick of liberals crap.

Now all we need in Australia is for Pauline Hanson to become PM.

Rising Sun*
12-29-2016, 06:07 AM
Feel the same way with liberals and liberal stupid propaganda. It's like speaking to a brick wall... the reason why trump was voted in over a puppet liberal leader such as hilliary clinton. She was far out of touch with the average American person, plus she spoke left drippled crap that came out of her mouth, people went F ya.... we want trump.... and I don't blame them. Also many African Americans voted for trump... they too are so sick of liberals crap.

The most surprising result of the US election is the previously unknown breadth and depth of knowledge in Australia about who voted for Trump, and why.

Beats me why the Yanks bother with their own polling etc when they could ask any Australian caller to talk back radio and letters to the editor about why he won.

Admittedly, there is no consistency in the wildly divergent views of these Australian experts on a nation most of them have never visited and about an electoral system of marvellous complexity which none of them understand, but when has accuracy ever been required in political commentary? Or abilty, knowledge, justice and honour ever been required to advance oneself in politics?


Now all we need in Australia is for Pauline Hanson to become PM.

Yeah, that's certainly all we need.

The professional politicians in the major and minor parties have half way f**ked this country for the past thirty years or so, so why don't we let a bigoted amateur of modest intelligence and little knowledge completely f**k it?

Might as well go out with a bang as with a whimper.


For those outside Australia who fortunately are unaware of Pauline Hanson, she's a one trick pony who 20 years ago got herself elected on the threat of Asian immigration and other ill-informed bigotry destroying Australia, but has had a recent epiphany and now sees Muslim immigration as the real threat along with her usual other ill informed bigotry which is well received by people who don't like to analyse issues and events or propose constructive solutions to social, political and economic problems but prefer to find scapegoats they can blame for everything that upsets them.

Surprisingly, the late Pauline still speaks to us from the grave, after being assassinated a couple of decades ago for expressing her views to a hostile nation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q_comd-IOQ

OOPS! She got a bit carried away there. Along with most of her other self-important, self-indulgent, ill-informed rants and bile. Apparently nobody could be bothered getting rid of her, which is a real pity when she'd gone to all that trouble to make her martyr 'voice from the grave' video.

The beauty of Australia is that not only do we tolerate these ornaments of lucid thought and expression, but we actually elect them to our national parliament to demonstrate that by electing dopes like her as well as the dopes in the major political parties we are an equal opportunity electorate.

Nickdfresh
12-29-2016, 09:18 AM
Feel the same way with liberals and liberal stupid propaganda. It's like speaking to a brick wall... the reason why trump was voted in over a puppet liberal leader such as hilliary clinton. She was far out of touch with the average American person, plus she spoke left drippled crap that came out of her mouth, people went F ya.... we want trump.... and I don't blame them. Also many African Americans voted for trump... they too are so sick of liberals crap.

Now all we need in Australia is for Pauline Hanson to become PM.

Hi alyj you vacuous ****ing pinhead...

I was never a big fan of Hillary, but she actually won the popular vote by a significant tally of 3 million. Trump was able to exploit the electoral college narrow margins in battleground states and the ****ed up U.S. system. It probably will never happen again and the Republicans will get a lesson in "be careful what you wish for" and permanent opposition party status by 2020...

I might also add the KGB did Drumpf some favors with their Wikileaky hacking, but our own FBI with that **** 911-Ghoulinani probably did the most damage along with Fakenews© from the Balkans...

Nickdfresh
12-29-2016, 09:25 AM
Like Churchill... Responding to nick fresh drunk post

I doubt I was drunk you simpleton. But you'd better watch your step here or else it's back to the "Holocaust denial" site you bumpkin from down under!

forager
12-29-2016, 04:34 PM
Not a realistic assessment of our electoral college system.
It is a fair checks and balances method of assuring the vote is spread rather than affected by certain concentrations.
An example is the 3 million votes. They seem mostly to come from California with a huge population of illegals who were questionably given voting rights.
They have a vested interest in maintaining democratic control.
They do not represent the thinking of our overall population.
If you look at the overall picture, you will find that Trump won across the board in the country overall.
Most Americans are sick and tired of the encroachin socialistic mindset supported by democrats.
They basically believe the government is all, and that all should come from the government.
That creates and perpetuates the victim and entitlement thinking.
This has become a tremendous issue in our society here.
I considermyself a constitutional conservative rather than a republican.

navyson
12-31-2016, 06:02 AM
I was never a big fan of Hillary, but she actually won the popular vote by a significant tally of 3 million. ...
I think the final tally in California, Oregon and Washington state gave her the popular vote. Especially California. That's why we need the electoral college, so the more populated states can't determine elections.

Rising Sun*
12-31-2016, 09:45 AM
I think the final tally in California, Oregon and Washington state gave her the popular vote. Especially California. That's why we need the electoral college, so the more populated states can't determine elections.

What's wrong with the majority of the people in the nation deciding who is President, regardless of the state they live in?

Down here we have this bizarre preferential voting system http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/counting/hor_count.htm which can result in a candidate with less than 1% of first preference votes being elected. This system routinely results in our national conservative governments being elected by a smaller number of voters than the losing major party, so for a lot of the time we're governed by people most of the nation didn't vote for. (We also have compulsory voting - well, strictly, just compulsory attendance at a polling station to get your name marked off the electoral roll - so it's a pretty fair guide to what the majority of the electorate voted for, and didn't get.)

Nickdfresh
12-31-2016, 04:19 PM
Not a realistic assessment of our electoral college system.

That's your opinion, mine is that it is and shouldn't exist...


It is a fair checks and balances method of assuring the vote is spread rather than affected by certain concentrations.

No. It was never about concentrations, it was about not allowing the "unwashed masses" to elect a demagogue, ironically...


An example is the 3 million votes. They seem mostly to come from California with a huge population of illegals who were questionably given voting rights.

Completely bogus, "fake news" assertion that has no factual basis...


They have a vested interest in maintaining democratic control.
They do not represent the thinking of our overall population.

If you mean the Democratic party, it needs to be capitalized. Otherwise I'd like to assume most people want democracy to control the governmental system...


If you look at the overall picture, you will find that Trump won across the board in the country overall.

I have no idea what this means. He won select countries mainly populated by high school educated working class whites. That's not the "overall" population...


Most Americans are sick and tired of the encroachin socialistic mindset supported by democrats.
They basically believe the government is all, and that all should come from the government.
That creates and perpetuates the victim and entitlement thinking.
This has become a tremendous issue in our society here.
I considermyself a constitutional conservative rather than a republican.

Yu seem to be speaking for yourself here, but the Republicans are just fine with "entitlements" as well...

We don't actually have anything nearing 'socialism' but a mixed economy, and "conservatives" (as well as liberals) are controlled by special interests and have little regard for the constitution when it doesn't suit their point of view...

Nickdfresh
12-31-2016, 04:21 PM
I think the final tally in California, Oregon and Washington state gave her the popular vote. Especially California. That's why we need the electoral college, so the more populated states can't determine elections.

So? Should we take away your vote if you live in Texas? Kid of bullshat IMHO...

Deciding who gets to vote based on perceptions of geographic political bias is sort of, well, fascist!

navyson
01-02-2017, 10:35 AM
So? Should we take away your vote if you live in Texas? Kid of bullshat IMHO...

Deciding who gets to vote based on perceptions of geographic political bias is sort of, well, fascist!
Suppose my vote was taken away the election of '08 and '12, still abided by the founding fathers designs.
Who decided who could vote? Everyone who cast a vote voted!