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Kovalski
06-06-2012, 05:45 AM
EURO2012 starting on Friday.
Got any predictions, expectations for winner, runners-up, top scorer, best XI, stars-to-emerge and dissapointents?

Chevan
06-06-2012, 05:59 AM
Are you goint to start a bets here?

Kovalski
06-06-2012, 06:04 AM
No bets, but we could share our thoughts:)

Kovalski
06-06-2012, 06:51 AM
Ok, I'll start first.

Winner: France
Runners-up: Germany
Top scorer: Benzema
Best XI:
G: Neuer
D: Piszczek, Badstuber, Rami, Clichy,
M: Van-Der-Vaart, Ozil, Silva, Nasri,
S: Benzema, Lewandowski

For surprise and disappointment I pick whole teams:
Surprise: Poland
Disappointment: Italy

I know it's a wishful thinking but I had to put those Poles there :)

Chevan
06-06-2012, 07:02 AM
For surprise and disappointment I pick whole teams:
Surprise: Poland

You are too optimistic..


Disappointment: Italy
I would bet on Russia..

Kovalski
06-06-2012, 07:49 AM
You are too optimistic..

I would bet on Russia..

And you are waaay too pessimistic! Wherever you look, experts saying Russia is first to go to quarter-final and capable of reaching the semi-final.
But it all depends what are your minimal expectations. If you fail to qualify from the group, that would be a total dissapointment. If you succeed, Germany and Netherlands will be waiting in the quarterfinal. Reaching semi-final would a success for Russia, and then anything can happen.

I hope for quarterfinal and a epic clash against Germany.
But if I start thinking seriously... Scoring more that one goal would be nice enough, not to mention one win in the group stage.

flamethrowerguy
06-07-2012, 05:55 AM
My guess:
Surprise (or better "the resurrection of"): France
Disappointment: Germany (although I tend to say that before every championship)

downwithpeace
06-07-2012, 12:54 PM
Winners: Spain.
Runners up: Netherlands or Germany.
Surprise: France.
Disappointment: Ireland's group.

Churchill
06-07-2012, 07:46 PM
I hope: France, England, Netherlands
Will do well: Germany, Switzerland,
I hope not: Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal

Kovalski
06-08-2012, 06:25 AM
Today's score prediction:
Poland 1:0 Greece
Russia 2:0 Czech Republic

JR*
06-08-2012, 08:51 AM
Don't rule out the Irish, for Group qualification at least. A lot will depend on their first match against Croatia - and then, on whether Italy "turn up" for the second game. However, it is worth bearing in mind that "Trap's Boys" are coming to this following on a long unbeaten run - they may not look very glamorous, but they will be a very tough nut to crack. As to the likely winners - Spain are strong candidates (again, if they turn up), but I am inclined a bit towards Germany. Best regards, JR.

Kovalski
06-08-2012, 09:55 AM
Don't rule out the Irish, for Group qualification at least. A lot will depend on their first match against Croatia - and then, on whether Italy "turn up" for the second game. However, it is worth bearing in mind that "Trap's Boys" are coming to this following on a long unbeaten run - they may not look very glamorous, but they will be a very tough nut to crack. As to the likely winners - Spain are strong candidates (again, if they turn up), but I am inclined a bit towards Germany. Best regards, JR.

The funniest Euro2012 picture I've seen so far :)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/wwww1.jpg

You have really tough group. Everybody knows Spain will qualify from the first place, so 3 teams willing to reach 2nd. Italy got hit by corruption scandal and they were totally disappoining against Russia in their last game. Croatia? I think they're always capable of reaching next stage. IMHO, if Ireland plays as its best, everything is possible.
In South Africa 2010, nobody would bet a single penny for Slovakia against Italy. And at the end of the day Squadra Azzurra were going home.

flamethrowerguy
06-08-2012, 09:57 AM
Will do well: Switzerland,

Zing!
I thought only yanks don't know the difference between Sweden and Switzerland!

downwithpeace
06-08-2012, 11:33 AM
Ireland certainly has a possibility, a few of the players know this is their last tournament with the exception of the World Cup Qualifiers, second can't be ruled out but it would have to be worked for. Doesn't matter where they do finish, been so long since this little country was in a final that the boys will be cheered on.

Poland 2:0 Greece
Russia 1:2 Czech Republic

Nickdfresh
06-08-2012, 11:57 AM
Zing!
I thought only yanks don't know the difference between Sweden and Switzerland!

You mean they're not the same?

Well, he has been spending time in America... ;)

downwithpeace
06-08-2012, 12:10 PM
You mean they're not the same?

Well, he has been spending time in America... ;)

No trip down under to Austria ;)

Nickdfresh
06-08-2012, 12:30 PM
No trip down under to Austria ;)

Nope. No schnitzel on the barbie for me!

Churchill
06-08-2012, 01:59 PM
To tell the truth I didn't look at who was playing, I just remembered the Swiss doing well a couple years back in the World Cup so I assumed they would be in this stage as well.

flamethrowerguy
06-08-2012, 02:05 PM
Kurwa masz! That was nearly a complete false start for Poland.

downwithpeace
06-08-2012, 04:46 PM
Well I was miles off, again.

flamethrowerguy
06-08-2012, 04:52 PM
Yup, a quite impressive performance by Russia - the oldest team of the tournament.

downwithpeace
06-08-2012, 05:21 PM
Yup, a quite impressive performance by Russia - the oldest team of the tournament.

Combined age?

Nickdfresh
06-08-2012, 05:36 PM
Yup, a quite impressive performance by Russia - the oldest team of the tournament.

It really was. They were dominant in possession and attack speed. Hard to believe they're the oldest...

Chevan
06-09-2012, 12:25 AM
It really was. They were dominant in possession and attack speed. Hard to believe they're the oldest...
Nothing special.The score might bee 6:1 if not that cockeyed cripple Kerzhakov. The next game with Poland - i expect a very fascinating time:).

Chevan
06-09-2012, 12:37 AM
In South Africa 2010, nobody would bet a single penny for Slovakia against Italy.
The Slovakia is capable for a.. miracle, i belive. After their team has reached the final of IIHF WC 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4xtVAtGWGA)

Kovalski
06-09-2012, 02:15 AM
Quite exciting games last night.
Poland - Greece
We had some chances, should haver scored at least one more in the first half when Greek defence was in shatters.
Papastathopoulos shouldn't be sent off and well deserved red card for Szczesny. Second half terrible, Poles lost the idea.
I still can't understand how it is possible that a team which has more players on the pitch, allows so weak opponent to score a goal in their first attempt.
And the penalty, thank God, that guy is a national hero since yesterday.

Russia - Czech Republic
I saw a steamroller in action last night. Czech central defenders Sivok and Hubnik should buy the Russians the finest scotch whisky available in Wroclaw.
It could be much, much worse for Czechs.
I think Chevan and Egorka should expect final four of the tournament.
My brother in law got himself a ticket for a Poland - Russia game. Well, I don't envy him anymore.

Kovalski
06-09-2012, 05:14 AM
Incident involving Russian fans after the Russia - Czech Republic game in Wroclaw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7D0fNtIdW0&feature=player_embedded

Chevan
06-09-2012, 06:36 AM
Incident involving Russian fans after the Russia - Czech Republic game in Wroclaw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7D0fNtIdW0&feature=player_embedded
Who was that beaten man in red jacket?Russian fun?

Kovalski
06-09-2012, 06:53 AM
Who was that beaten man in red jacket?Russian fun?

That guy on the ground is a steward. Russian fans are all over place.

Chevan
06-09-2012, 07:13 AM
That guy on the ground is a steward. Russian fans are all over place.
But i well hear the female cry in russian - "poles are sco.....rels" when crowd beated him. Are you sure those were a russian fans around?I saw also the peoples in orange ( ukrainain fans)

flamethrowerguy
06-09-2012, 09:02 AM
F*cking scum...wherever they come from.

Kovalski
06-09-2012, 09:59 AM
But i well hear the female cry in russian - "poles are sco.....rels" when crowd beated him. Are you sure those were a russian fans around?I saw also the peoples in orange ( ukrainain fans)

Well, I see a crowd of people, many of them wearing russian flags and scarfs, whole incident was recorded yesterday at Wroclaw municipal stadium after the Russia - Czech Republic game. There's offical police investigation, so probably they'll be soon caught. The stewards testified they were attacked by russian fans.
According to local police spokesman, Russian fans caused disturbance before the game, when they started a fight in one of the restaurants in the city centre.
The pictures are below.
Correct me if I'm wrong but one of these guy's wearing t-shirt with russian sign on it?
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/ec0cdbf0-b1e6-11e1-b727-0025b511226e.jpg
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http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/2abe2d18-b1e7-11e1-96f7-0025b511226e.jpg

It was reported that 4 russian fans were arrested in Warsaw thursday night after attacking Turkish kebab shop owners.

Below links to polish websites regarding the disturbance.
http://www.rp.pl/artykul/12,889443-Bojka-z-udzialem-Rosjan-na-wroclawskim-stadionie.html
http://www.gazetawroclawska.pl/artykul/593261,wroclaw-bojka-kibicow-rosji-w-rynku-straty-na-2-tysiace,id,t.html?cookie=1
http://www.fakt.pl/Rosjanie-pobili-Turkow-Bojka-Rosjan-z-Turkami-w-kebabie,artykuly,161983,1.html
http://kontakt24.tvn.pl/temat,pijani-rosjanie-rozrabiali-we-wroclawiu,47966,html?categoryId=496

In order to be fair and impartial, here's a picture of polish fans, in fact Wisla Krakow supporters, who are against the Euro2012. These f**kers disturbed the training session of Dutch team which was open to the public. Racist chanting was reported.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/fck_600.jpg

Kovalski
06-09-2012, 10:04 AM
But let's focus on some more interesting pics. Hope to see more of these coming :)
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http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11898557X.jpg

Chevan
06-09-2012, 11:33 AM
According to local police spokesman, Russian fans caused disturbance before the game, when they started a fight in one of the restaurants in the city centre.
The pictures are below.
Correct me if I'm wrong but one of these guy's wearing t-shirt with russian sign on it?

Yes , the letters a russian ,top line i can distingush- "Дикий нрав"( Wild Custom). Only idiot migh wear the t-shirt with such a slogan..
Hope local police could to resolve the problem.


In order to be fair and impartial, here's a picture of polish fans, in fact Wisla Krakow supporters, who are against the Euro2012. These f**kers disturbed the training session of Dutch team which was open to the public. Racist chanting was reported.

What are their argument against a championship?

Kovalski
06-09-2012, 12:46 PM
What are their argument against a championship?


What are their argument against a championship?

I'm not really deep into this. As far as I know there is group of football fans, who are tightly bonded with their clubs (Ultras, etc.) but they don't feel to be a part of whole "Euro idea" for number of reasons:
1) there is few naturalised players in polish national team: 2 Germans, 2 French.
Basically, they are accused of using polish national team as a platform in their careers. Only 1 of them speaks polish. None of them grew up nor lived in Poland for a longer period of time. They got nothing in common with other polish players. Eugen Polanski is a good example: as a youngster he played for one of german teenage national teams (U-15? or U-17?).
One day a journalist during interview, told him that polish national team was looking for a good defensive midfielder. He answered that the only country he would played for is Germany and if Germany played Poland at Euro, he would support Germany. When he realised, that he's too weak for german national team, he suddenly changed his mind and declared his love to Poland. More or less, that's the case. Some media call our national team a PZPN team (PZPN - polish football association)
2) Euro2012 is not their party. Despite all the promises given by the goverment that all polish people would be allowed to participate in Euro at some point, soon it turned out that this tournament is only for the chosen ones. these are obviously, UEFA family, sponsors, their families, friends and PZPN - the most corrupted institution in Poland.
They got most of the cake, the rest which was given to the public, was so expensive, that majority of people couldn't afford it. So, there is a general feeling that some part of society has been excluded from the Euro.
3) in order to prepare Poland to Euro, the government started a very strict action against violence and racism at the football stadiums. That absolutely right, no doubt.
But they chosen the easy way and put all the organised fans into the one bag: violent idiots, racist f**ckers, but also those who peacifully chant, those who prepare all that artistic stuff, etc. Police began arresting a lot of people, who were later released without charges. Of course some of them were locked up as they comitted crimes. But quite a number was harrased only because they were members of organised groups of supporters. That crusade, no matter how justified it was, soon turned out to be absolutely absurd action. Example: at Korona Kielce football club, fans may be taken into custody for: cursing, spitting, displaying patriotic banners, or even changing seats.
4) turning football into a business, a money-making machine, killing the spirit of the game

So, as these groups of fans are against Euro, they don't attend the games. That is the main reason why polish players complained that support at the games of national football team is low, there's no organised chanting, etc.
The racist chanting which took place at the Dutch team training session, was probably a provocation aimed at polish government, UEFA and whole Euro.
They wanted to disrupt the tournament, make some black PR and bring the criticism on polish government. It turned to be quite simple and easy to do, as the anbody could attend the event for free.

Egorka
06-09-2012, 03:48 PM
Wow! THAT was close!
At least the gate poles are on the German side. Unfair! :)

downwithpeace
06-09-2012, 05:01 PM
One shock and one unsurprising.

The Dutch deserved the penalty but that's football.

Kovalski
06-10-2012, 04:00 AM
One shock and one unsurprising.

The Dutch deserved the penalty but that's football.

Situation in group C got a bit complicated. I wonder if the Danish would be so lucky against the Germans too.

Personally, I'm glad Ronaldo played as usual when it comes to international tournaments :)
And when that criminal Pepe hit the bar, it was the best moment for me.

Some more news off-the-pitch.
"Proceedings opened against RFS.
UEFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against the Football Union of Russia for the improper conduct of its supporters at Friday's UEFA EURO 2012 match against the Czech Republic.
After having looked at the security reports and available images, UEFA has today announced that disciplinary proceedings have been opened against the Football Union of Russia (RFS) for the improper conduct of its supporters (crowd disturbances), the setting off and throwing of fireworks and the display of illicit banners at Friday's UEFA EURO 2012 Group A match in Wroclaw between Russia and the Czech Republic. The Control and Disciplinary Body will review the case on Wednesday 13 June.
In addition, regarding reports of alleged abuse directed at Czech Republic players from Russia fans, UEFA is investigating this further and is working with FARE to collect more evidence."

source: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/matchorganisation/disciplinary/news/newsid=1812587.html

Some more pics
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Kovalski
06-10-2012, 05:02 AM
Last night a group of croatian fans attacked polish and irish fans in center of Poznan.
14 people have been arrested.
http://www.tvn24.pl/euro-2012,61,m/goraca-noc-na-poznanskim-rynku-chuligani-w-akcji,257065.html

There was also one more incident in Lvov, Ukraine two days ago. Ukrainian fans had fight with similar group from Russia (radionews).

downwithpeace
06-10-2012, 08:33 AM
That's not correct, it was Polish fans in ski masks that started it, seems some confusion on why but two possible reasons are they were there to attack the Croatian and Irish fans or because a rival domestic team had fans in the square.
10 Poles and 3 Irish were arrested.

Kovalski
06-10-2012, 10:29 AM
That's not correct, it was Polish fans in ski masks that started it, seems some confusion on why but two possible reasons are they were there to attack the Croatian and Irish fans or because a rival domestic team had fans in the square.
10 Poles and 3 Irish were arrested.

1 Croatian also was arrested. They are being questioned today. CCTV is also being analized. That's quite interesting what you say, as there's no word about Polish fans in ski masks in Polish media :) All info is very limited, they are different versions. Some witnesses say they had waited for the police to arrive for 30 minutes, police spokesman says they arrived immediately. Also a one restaurant owner said he informed police few times about a group of very aggressive Croatian fans who were spotted in the city center.
Could you provide a link?

Added: It seems more info can be found abroad than in Poland.
""It was mental, one minute we were drinking beer and having a really great time," said Ireland fan John O'Rourke, 34. "The next we were running for our lives," Local Michal Smyla was caught up in the violence when the table he was sitting at was suddenly surrounded. "I was with friends having a beer when some guy in a mask and a hood grabbed me by the neck and punched me," he said. "And then all hell broke loose." A press photographer at the scene reporting seeing several other people with bloody injuries. "One man seem to be unconscious and was being dragged into safety into the nearby pub the Piwo Napieciwko," the photographer, who did not wish to be named, said. "Pub staff gave first aid to those that were bought inside. It seemed as if they were particularly targeting the foreign fans especially the Croatians." He said that riot police arrived within 10 minutes, dispersing the crowd and extinguishing the blazes that started in litter bins from flares. Most of the alleged perpetrators had dispersed before police arrived.Witnesses posting on Twitter said the violence appeared to have been orchestrated by fans of local club Lech Poznan.Irish fan in Pozna Kevin Daly said it appared to have been a premeditated attack by Lech ultras on rivals attached to Dynamo Zagreb, with Irish fans caught in the middle." Local police said that as a result of the incident they had made 14 arrests, and investigations were continuing. Those arrested included 10 Polish, three Irish fans and one Croatian. Poznan Mayor Ryszard Gorobelny today described the trouble as a minor incident, adding that some 47,000 supporters had attended the town's fan zone yesterday with no arrests. Up to 30,000 Irish fans are believed to be in the town ahead of tonight's opening group game against Croatia.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2012/0610/ireland/three-irish-arrested-after-trouble-flares-overnight-in-poznan-554816.html

A "minor incident"...
Not sure what has to happen before the authorities decide to seriously deal with these f**kers.

Today I heard on tv, that both police forces, Polish and Ukrainian, were instructed not to intervene as strong as they usually do, but they should focus on providing assistance to the fans and use force as a very, very last resort. I bet after Euro everything will be back to normal, they will be allowed to wave those batons again :)
I heard a joke, that some new phrases were introduced for the police officers: excuse me, thank you, you welcome, can I help you, no problem :)

So we've got first people banned from Euro games. Two Russian fans were arrested on Friday for violation of stadium regulations. They were kept in lock-up so they could sober up and today they faced the court. They also have to pay a penalty 500 euros each. Another 4 russian fans are awaiting the questioning as they were arrested after a fight in one of the restaurants in Wroclaw.
There were also unconfirmed reports of some fights between polish, russian and english fans, but no details so far.
On Wednesday night 10 polish fans (drunk teenagers?) were arrested in Warsaw.
The police describes all the incidents as minor, and the numbers of people involved as very low. They say it was expected for some incidents to happen and there's nothing unusual going on.

Anyway, two games today.
Spain - Italy
Ireland - Croatia

I expect Spain to win 3:1, and Ireland to win 1:0

downwithpeace
06-10-2012, 12:46 PM
Sorry, I mashed up my last post some how.

Was meant to be:
That's not correct, seems some confusion on why but two possible reasons are they were there to attack the Croatian and Irish fans or it was Polish fans in ski masks that started it because a rival domestic team had fans in the square.
10 Poles and 3 Irish were arrested.

Can't find the article now but your link also says masked men, if I come across it again I'll link you to it.

JR*
06-10-2012, 02:12 PM
As far as football is concerned, pretty indifferent start (apart from Chevan's Champs, that is - very impressive). As far as racial abuse and what used to be called in England "bovver" - could be the tournament of the century (actually, including the last century). On the racism and bovver fronts - I hope I am wrong. Yours from the Police Slit Trench, JR.

Neutral
06-10-2012, 02:15 PM
Brave fella.... well, sort of... :)

downwithpeace
06-10-2012, 02:29 PM
Brave fella.... well, sort of... :)

Brave man indeed :p

Kovalski
06-11-2012, 03:43 AM
I wonder how many times Torres would need to place himself in front of the goal to score.
At least he hit something this time (italian player's throat with an elbow) :)
Apparently, Poznan stadium is not Shay Given's favourite arena to play. Bad karma or something...

downwithpeace
06-11-2012, 09:12 AM
Given is less to blame then the crappy defense, who in their right mind prevents a corner by heading the ball back in to the box.
Few unfair calls, clear penalty disallowed but the announcer questioned if it was disallowed because Ireland kept playing when the Croatian player had gone down and stayed down, his reactions also pointed out to be suspect even though he did go off.

There was some git with a whistle near the camera setup that blew at times making it look like the ref stopped play.

flamethrowerguy
06-11-2012, 09:49 AM
There was some git with a whistle near the camera setup that blew at times making it look like the ref stopped play.

I noticed, most annoying!

downwithpeace
06-11-2012, 05:23 PM
I'm not sure if I should post it here for fear of a backlash but there's a clip of the English team arriving at their hotel, think it's their hotel, but since the FA chose Poland for their base they ended up leaving their bus not to a loud cheering English fan base but a very loud Irish group.

I don't condone it even though I did find it a little funny but then I support an English football team of which some Irish international players play and wish the England team all the best.

Kovalski
06-11-2012, 07:09 PM
I'm not sure if I should post it here for fear of a backlash but there's a clip of the English team arriving at their hotel, think it's their hotel, but since the FA chose Poland for their base they ended up leaving their bus not to a loud cheering English fan base but a very loud Irish group.

I don't condone it even though I did find it a little funny but then I support an English football team of which some Irish international players play and wish the England team all the best.

I saw the arrival on SkyNews, but they didn't mention Irish presence. But polish TVN24 polish news channel spotted Irish fans making some noise outside the hotel. I find it rather funny. Just wonder how they ended up in Krakow. It's quite far away from Poznan or Gdansk.
BTW, recently I was told city of Torun (my home town), which is in the middle of way between Poznan and Gdansk, was expecting around 2000 Irish fans to sleep there during the tournament. Tomorrow I'll ask my bestmate how many Irish he met over the weekend :)

downwithpeace
06-11-2012, 07:16 PM
No idea but they were the loudest among the crowd.

Kovalski
06-12-2012, 04:29 AM
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Kovalski
06-12-2012, 04:31 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/1339418165_hVtKQ.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/xIKkQ.jpg

And my favourite:
this how relaxed is a man who's just wasted the greatest opportunity of the game.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/bal.jpg
I could ask, why always him?:)

Kovalski
06-12-2012, 04:47 AM
Polish police is in possesion of full details (names, addresses, job titles and employers, etc.) of the last 6 Russian fans wanted in relation to violent incident that took place on Friday night at Wroclaw municipal stadium.
As those individuals are probably already outside UE, Russian police has been asked for assistance.

Chevan
06-12-2012, 05:14 AM
I could ask, why always him?:)
How is why? He is pursued black, don't you see ;)
OK, the jokes aside. Today evening the most importaint POLITICAL game of tournament . I would like to call, it Death-Match: Russia-Poland. An old "historical" mortal enemies that world ever see , today would have faced each other in a open field.The chances are equal- no heavy artillery, no air superiority ( just a little propogandic superiority of poles)!!But russians are no less motivated and determined for victory. They know if they LOSE - all team would have been executed by nkvd immediatelly.. Well both of teams i guess...:)

Chevan
06-12-2012, 05:23 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11912817X.jpg

Nothing serious!!The life-vital and functional organs are not damaged:)

Kovalski
06-12-2012, 05:53 AM
How is why? He is pursued black, don't you see ;)
OK, the jokes aside. Today evening the most importaint POLITICAL game of tournament . I would like to call, it Death-Match: Russia-Poland. An old "historical" mortal enemies that world ever see , today would have faced each other in a open field.The chances are equal- no heavy artillery, no air superiority ( just a little propogandic superiority of poles)!!But russians are no less motivated and determined for victory. They know if they LOSE - all team would have been executed by nkvd immediatelly.. Well both of teams i guess...:)

Yes, there's so much build-up before this game. It reminds me the Euro96 semi-final England-Germany.
Few front pages from the polish press.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/b1a1bb5a3b7ec23d35772476ae8b7275.jpg
"Faith, hope, Smuda"
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/74beac915f1b3f6fae5a77059b8bdf70641000.jpg
"Poland-Russia: The battle of Warsaw 2012"

The reference to 1920 Battle of Warsaw is clear.
Is all that necessary? I really doubt.
There are people in Poland who usually wouldn't call Russians their friends, but when it comes to football and Euro, decided to shut up, as in their opinion it has nothing to do with sport. So I'm disappointed that the press couldn't restrain themselves from pumping up the pressure. Everybody knows it takes only few idiots to provoke people and start a riot.
I hope it's going to be a nice day, Russian fans marching to the stadium, no Polish club supporters provoking. Also, no Russian fans showing off, provoking the other side. All of them just enjoying the game.
There was enough trouble already and this time it would be great if no incidents happened.

About the score, for Poland winning tonight would be as equal as scoring 6 in Euromillions (and equally probable, I'm afraid) I would like Poles to play tonight with same passion and dedication as Ukrainians did last night.

My brother-in-law is on his way to the stadium just now. Lucky bastard...:)

Kovalski
06-12-2012, 05:58 AM
How is why? He is pursued black, don't you see ;)


In Man City when he scored a goal, he used to pull his t-shirt up to show a sign "Why always me?".
That guy's ego is bigger than anything in the universe. But does it match his skills? Not sure about that.

Chevan
06-12-2012, 07:38 AM
Russian fans marching to the stadium, no Polish club supporters provoking. Also, no Russian fans showing off, provoking the other side.
Alas. The russian media reported (http://sport.rbc.ru/euro2012/news/euro/12/06/2012/833/) that few of russians fans have been attacked and beaten by group of 20 local peoples in Warsaw right in a ther car. Police couldn't cautch anybody.Car was damaged.

Chevan
06-12-2012, 07:46 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/74beac915f1b3f6fae5a77059b8bdf70641000.jpg
"Poland-Russia: The battle of Warsaw 2012"

The reference to 1920 Battle of Warsaw is clear.
Is all that necessary? I really doubt.
I like it:D
Why not?But people who support such a sort of political populism have to admit the possible negative consequences.


My brother-in-law is on his way to the stadium just now. Lucky bastard...:)
Who know? The game could be a danger for nervouse if to take it seriously. I prefer to watch the game on TV- at least you have an ability to turn off the tv is anything will goes wrong:)

downwithpeace
06-12-2012, 08:45 AM
In Man City when he scored a goal, he used to pull his t-shirt up to show a sign "Why always me?".
That guy's ego is bigger than anything in the universe. But does it match his skills? Not sure about that.

His ego is massive but at the same time he's supposedly a very nice person, not the most intelligent, but nice.

Nickdfresh
06-12-2012, 09:03 AM
I like it:D
Why not?But people who support such a sort of political populism have to admit the possible negative consequences.

...

Some Polish media critics agree with you:


But many Polish football fans believe that Russia has the stronger side and that the media is wrong to raise hopes in vain or build nationalist tension before the match.

"The newspapers should not be stirring up emotions, because it is clear we will lose. They are doing a bad job," 56-year-old chemistry researcher Marek Toczynski said.

CBSnews (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501623_162-57450973/poland-vs-russia-soccer-game-evokes-national-pride/)

downwithpeace
06-12-2012, 01:59 PM
Clashes between fans have started during a march by Russian fans towards the stadium.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2012/0612/1224317805116.html

Kovalski
06-12-2012, 02:03 PM
Czech beaten Greeks, so the situation in the group gets complicated.
Unfortunately, Russian fans were attacked by polish club hooligans during their march to the stadium.
At least 3 people injured, police used firearms and water cannons.

JR*
06-12-2012, 02:20 PM
Czechs v. Greeks - a messy bore, made worse by bad refereeing. Looking forward to better fare from Poland v. Chevan's Champs - should be a bit more fire to it, anyway. I just hope they don't actually refight one of the many ancient battles in Warsaw tonight ... Best regards, JR.

flamethrowerguy
06-12-2012, 05:03 PM
1) there is few naturalised players in polish national team: 2 Germans, 2 French.
Basically, they are accused of using polish national team as a platform in their careers. Only 1 of them speaks polish. None of them grew up nor lived in Poland for a longer period of time. They got nothing in common with other polish players. Eugen Polanski is a good example: as a youngster he played for one of german teenage national teams (U-15? or U-17?).
One day a journalist during interview, told him that polish national team was looking for a good defensive midfielder. He answered that the only country he would played for is Germany and if Germany played Poland at Euro, he would support Germany. When he realised, that he's too weak for german national team, he suddenly changed his mind and declared his love to Poland. More or less, that's the case. Some media call our national team a PZPN team (PZPN - polish football association)

Boenisch, Matuschyk and Polanski are sometimes called Germans who play for Poland. Over here some say Klose and Podolski are Poles to play for Germany.
That's just our mutual intersection as neighbouring states. A good thing in my opinion.

Chevan
06-13-2012, 12:17 AM
Congrats to Polska!!
They have almost won the Russians.

JR*
06-13-2012, 12:48 AM
Poles playing for Germany, Germans playing for Poland ... this is unusual ? Are these not just examples of the "Granny Rule", so familiar to us here in the Emerald Isle ? Perhaps the "football powers" are more sensitive on this point. By the way - congrats to Chevan's Champs and the Polish Eagles on serving up a pretty good match last night. The result should suit both, as well. Having seen all participants in the Group at this stage, I would be confident of seeing both Russia and Poland in the knockout stages. Pity about the "scuffles". I feel sorry for the vast majority of Polish and Russian fans who, clearly, only want to have a good time supporting their teams. Another point - was it warm in Warsaw last night ? All the Russian guys going bare chested (or should that be bear chested ?). Hope nobody caught a chill ... JR.

downwithpeace
06-13-2012, 01:27 AM
The Greek team had two players that weren't born in Greece, one was born in Australia and the other in Germany, the latter to a Greek father and South American mother. FIFA have some rules regarding players from one country playing for another and have special clauses or removed clauses for the UK and possibly Ireland given the Granny Rule.

Poland Russia was a good game, pity about the clashes before hand and at the end of the match the Russian sections were blocked off by riot police.
I think it was very hot there JR, towards the end of the match Arshavin fouled a Polish player because he was to tired to try and run after him, when the camera focused on him right afterwards the sweat was pouring off.

Chevan
06-13-2012, 03:15 AM
Poles playing for Germany, Germans playing for Poland ... this is unusual ?
The national origin of players seems is no more importaint for national proud . We have the dutch Diick Advocaat as "Russian" team manager:) Nobody cries.

flamethrowerguy
06-13-2012, 08:27 AM
In my opinion it depends very much on the particular nation. Having players of foreign origin in the national team should be a minor problem in typical immigration countries like the USA, multi-ethnic states or former colonial powers like the UK and France.
In Germany, a country that does not particularly belong to one of the last-mentioned, a lot of people have problems with the fact that we got a playmaker with Turkish background as well as players with Polish, Tunisian, Spanish and Ghanaian background.

flamethrowerguy
06-13-2012, 08:35 AM
We have the dutch Diick Advocaat as "Russian" team manager:) Nobody cries.

I know Advocaat from back in the days from the Dutch national league and I must admit he looks worrying!
Does the RFS provide him with an unlimited supply of Vodka?

Nickdfresh
06-13-2012, 10:05 AM
I know Advocaat from back in the days from the Dutch national league and I must admit he looks worrying!
Does the RFS provide him with an unlimited supply of Vodka?

LOL I was thinking the same thing...but he is 64 yrs. old...


He actually looks like an American football coach, Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots:

http://bradlaidman.com/wp-content/uploads/bill-belichick.jpg

Chevan
06-13-2012, 01:46 PM
In my opinion it depends very much on the particular nation. Having players of foreign origin in the national team should be a minor problem in typical immigration countries like the USA, multi-ethnic states or former colonial powers like the UK and France.
In Germany, a country that does not particularly belong to one of the last-mentioned, a lot of people have problems with the fact that we got a playmaker with Turkish background as well as players with Polish, Tunisian, Spanish and Ghanaian background.
By the other words - in germany for a lot of people the race DOES matter. Just like in old good times:)Though it might be the lesser evil compare to "utter multicultural" France..

I know Advocaat from back in the days from the Dutch national league and I must admit he looks worrying!
Does the RFS provide him with an unlimited supply of Vodka?
Sure.To provide him of whiskey or scotch would be quite unpatriotic in eyes of racial russian fans. How else to keep him under control? ;)

downwithpeace
06-13-2012, 02:18 PM
Foreign managers differs to foreign players, we have an Italian manager but none of the Italian flare.

flamethrowerguy
06-13-2012, 02:18 PM
By the other words - in germany for a lot of people the race DOES matter. Just like in old good times:)

Sure, there's a certain potential of racism in the German society - like in most other places. I don' think these old times were that good actually.




Though it might be the lesser evil compare to "utter multicultural" France..;)

According to many folks we're on the best way to a multicultural society. Our recently resigned Federal President, Christian Wulff, once said the Islam is a part of Germany. There were most controversial discussions about this statement.

Chevan
06-13-2012, 02:55 PM
Sure, there's a certain potential of racism in the German society - like in most other places. I don' think these old times were that good actually.

Oh common. Everything would be OK if not that damned war. The GErmany rised up within short time like nobody else in history. But militarism\shauvenism was a bitch.


According to many folks we're on the best way to a multicultural society. Our recently resigned Federal President, Christian Wulff, once said the Islam is a part of Germany. There were most controversial discussions about this statement.
You are still in most beginning of a way:) I read in Paris there are a entire districts where the whites are not recommend to appear in dark time.Just like in Harlem, NY.
Nickdfresh knows:)

Nickdfresh
06-13-2012, 03:04 PM
Oh common. Everything would be OK if not that damned war. The GErmany rised up within short time like nobody else in history. But militarism\shauvenism was a bitch.

You are still in most beginning of a way:) I read in Paris there are a entire districts where the whites are not recommend to appear in dark time.Just like in Harlem, NY.
Nickdfresh knows:)

Never been to Harlem actually. But then again, there are places inhabited mostly by "white" people that I wouldn't venture after dark. I do believe that parts of Harlem are actually becoming home to the affluent again IIRC...

downwithpeace
06-13-2012, 05:11 PM
Can't help but wonder if KLM delivered the correct jerseys but the incorrect team.

Chevan
06-14-2012, 12:33 AM
Never been to Harlem actually. But then again, there are places inhabited mostly by "white" people that I wouldn't venture after dark.
Yeah, there a lot of such places around. But you have to agree the ethnic crimes are especially horrifying .

flamethrowerguy
06-14-2012, 08:28 AM
Never been to Harlem actually. But then again, there are places inhabited mostly by "white" people that I wouldn't venture after dark. I do believe that parts of Harlem are actually becoming home to the affluent again IIRC...

Been there ~20 years ago, I didn't feel too lonely being a so-called Caucasian. I remember feeling like the only non Spanish speaker in Brooklyn though...

Nickdfresh
06-14-2012, 08:44 AM
Yeah, there a lot of such places around. But you have to agree the ethnic crimes are especially horrifying .

Ethnic crimes are far more horrifying within their community. Most black people would not walk in the worst sections of NYC either, it is far more about class than race...I once basically lived in a middle class (mostly) black Maryland suburb and never felt the least bit threatened. I was probably far more uneasy around gangs of drunken white college frat boys in Washington, DC than the residents in Laurel...

Nickdfresh
06-14-2012, 08:45 AM
Speaking of fans of Poland:

http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/polands-answer-to-larissa-riquelme-2.jpg

Risque photo gallery here. (http://coedmagazine.com/2012/06/13/natalia-siwiec-hot-sexy-euro-2012-model-photos/polands-answer-to-larissa-riquelme-3/#1)

Neutral
06-14-2012, 09:21 AM
Speaking of fans of Poland:

http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/polands-answer-to-larissa-riquelme-2.jpg

Risque photo gallery here. (http://coedmagazine.com/2012/06/13/natalia-siwiec-hot-sexy-euro-2012-model-photos/polands-answer-to-larissa-riquelme-3/#1)

One has to love Photoshop....

Kovalski
06-14-2012, 02:40 PM
Boenisch, Matuschyk and Polanski are sometimes called Germans who play for Poland. Over here some say Klose and Podolski are Poles to play for Germany.
That's just our mutual intersection as neighbouring states. A good thing in my opinion.

The perception of that matter in Poland is a bit more complex.
Podolski and Klose - born in Poland, playing for Germany. First, when they become football stars, a lot of people moaned, how could we let these guys play for Germany, such a disaster, bla bla bla...
Then, people sobered up and realised - these boys were born in Poland, that's true, their parents are Polish or half-Polish. But they were just few years old, when they left to Germany.
They grew up there, their "environment" was German, all the football skills they learned in Germany, from German coaches. They got German friends, live in Germany, etc.
So, at the end of the day nobody wasn't angry anymore that they played for Germany. It's been accepted and is completely understood.
They become even more popular in Poland, especially Podolski.
But it is completely different when it comes to foreign players playing for Poland. Giving away the passports in order to get somebody to play for a national team is not right. If think a lot of people is angry with the polish FA because Poles got their pride and don't need a foreigner to represent us. Even if our players are much worse, we don't need a guy who knows nothing of Poland, cannot say a single word in Polish, never been there, to play for our country.
It become even more emotional when Poland was given a right to organize EUro with Ukraine. SUddenly, a number of foreign players realised they got some polish ancestors.
It's just patethic.

I'll get back after the game.

Come on Ireland :)

Chevan
06-14-2012, 02:42 PM
I thought the most of polish girls are rather blong or light-hair...

Kovalski
06-14-2012, 03:16 PM
I thought the most of polish girls are rather blong or light-hair...

I would say it's all pretty mixed up. Blondes (dark and light), black haired, red as well (but much, much less).

Kovalski
06-14-2012, 03:32 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11937519V.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11931231XOczy-pilkarskiej-Polski-wpatrzone-sa-we-Wroclaw--Tu.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11931376X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11931335X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11922603X.jpg

downwithpeace
06-14-2012, 04:04 PM
What are the odds of leaving in a goal at the start of each half...in two games.

Out played, put classed, out of the tournament, from a positive side it will give the manager a clear view that this team will never beat Germany or Sweden.

Kovalski
06-14-2012, 04:54 PM
Too bad Torres decided to score tonight...
My sources confirmed the Irish were the loudest, the most colorful, the funniest and the most cheerful fans at Euro2012.
One more game left, so still Ireland could score something.

downwithpeace
06-14-2012, 05:03 PM
Too bad Torres decided to score tonight...
My sources confirmed the Irish were the loudest, the most colorful, the funniest and the most cheerful fans at Euro2012.
One more game left, so still Ireland could score something.

Been 10 years since we were in tournament and it was Spain that knocked us out, World Cup 2002.

JR*
06-15-2012, 05:56 AM
At the risk of being picky, that World Cup Spain knocked us out of was in 2000. I have the most vivid memory of watching the proceedings sitting over a late lunch in a restaurant in Santiago de Compostela where I was attending a conference. Not that I remember much else very clearly, but I think I downed a drop too much "Gran Duque de Alba" that evening ... Best regards, JR.

downwithpeace
06-15-2012, 06:06 AM
At the risk of being picky, that World Cup Spain knocked us out of was in 2000. I have the most vivid memory of watching the proceedings sitting over a late lunch in a restaurant in Santiago de Compostela where I was attending a conference. Not that I remember much else very clearly, but I think I downed a drop too much "Gran Duque de Alba" that evening ... Best regards, JR.

It was 2002, South Korea, Japan and the Roy Keane incident.

JR*
06-15-2012, 06:45 AM
Of course you're right, dwp - sorry. Maybe my memory was affected by the wish to forget the wretched Siapan business. Or maybe it has something to do with the Endless Sameness of Copyright Conferences; I think I am still suffering from the boredom overload ... Apologies, JR.

downwithpeace
06-15-2012, 08:09 AM
Maybe my memory was affected by the wish to forget the wretched Siapan business.

That would explain it ;)

Ukraine 2-1 France
Sweden 1-1 England

JR*
06-15-2012, 01:09 PM
@downwithpeace - the Irish fans have now become virally famous for their rendering of "The Fields of Athenry" last night. Do you happen to know why our fans sing this dirge at footie matches ? Think of the "plot" of the song - a tenant farmer called Michael, caught up in the Potato Famine of the 1840s, steals some of the landlord's corn to feed his starving family. He is caught, and sentenced to transportation to Australia, leaving his unfortunate wife, Mary, to raise their children "in liberty". One might have thought that she should have been encouraged to deal with the starvation issue first. What has this to do with football ?

Not my favourite Famine song, in any event. My favourite Famine song goes -

"The potatoes aren't lookin' the best,
The potatoes aren't lookin' the best,
The potatoes aren't lookin' the best -
Looks aren't everything, I guess ..."

Go, Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly ...

Yours from The Old Bog Road, JR.

JR*
06-15-2012, 01:12 PM
By the way - from what I have seen so far, drowning, rather than defeat, is the main danger facing the Ukraine and France tonight ... Yours from the Lusitania, JR.

downwithpeace
06-15-2012, 01:47 PM
- the Irish fans have now become virally famous for their rendering of "The Fields of Athenry" last night. Do you happen to know why our fans sing this dirge at footie matches ? Think of the "plot" of the song - a tenant farmer called Michael, caught up in the Potato Famine of the 1840s, steals some of the landlord's corn to feed his starving family. He is caught, and sentenced to transportation to Australia, leaving his unfortunate wife, Mary, to raise their children "in liberty". One might have thought that she should have been encouraged to deal with the starvation issue first. What has this to do with football ?

Not my favourite Famine song, in any event. My favourite Famine song goes -

"The potatoes aren't lookin' the best,
The potatoes aren't lookin' the best,
The potatoes aren't lookin' the best -
Looks aren't everything, I guess ..."

Go, Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly ...

Yours from The Old Bog Road, JR.

Good bunch of fans, interestingly I found most people I talked to had high hopes and realistic expectations of how Ireland would do in that group but they were all very excited and positive about the team.

England were in Ireland's Italia 90 Group (drew 1-1) and that's when the song was supposedly first sung, why it stuck is another question. Also bit odd given Jack Charlton was the manager then, the most respected Irish manager ever.

Kovalski
06-15-2012, 02:58 PM
I hoped Ukraine would get a draw, but opposition was tough tonight.
Another one starting just now. Expecting 2:1 for Sweden.

Kovalski
06-15-2012, 03:02 PM
@downwithpeace - the Irish fans have now become virally famous for their rendering of "The Fields of Athenry" last night. Do you happen to know why our fans sing this dirge at footie matches ? Think of the "plot" of the song - a tenant farmer called Michael, caught up in the Potato Famine of the 1840s, steals some of the landlord's corn to feed his starving family. He is caught, and sentenced to transportation to Australia, leaving his unfortunate wife, Mary, to raise their children "in liberty". One might have thought that she should have been encouraged to deal with the starvation issue first. What has this to do with football ?

Not my favourite Famine song, in any event. My favourite Famine song goes -

"The potatoes aren't lookin' the best,
The potatoes aren't lookin' the best,
The potatoes aren't lookin' the best -
Looks aren't everything, I guess ..."

Go, Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly ...

Yours from The Old Bog Road, JR.

That's from yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCosY56lRI

It seems there's quite a lot sympathy among the locals towards the Irish fans. According to some news portal many people declare their support during the last game against Italy.

Kovalski
06-15-2012, 03:14 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/qwq.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/sss.jpg

As I said, Irish fans won the hearts and minds in the last couple of days :)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/2e55xfl.jpg

tankgeezer
06-15-2012, 04:23 PM
Well, to be fair the lad in the green does look to be in need of nourishment,,, ;)

flamethrowerguy
06-16-2012, 12:38 AM
That would explain it ;)

Ukraine 2-1 France
Sweden 1-1 England

I hope you're not doing this betting thing for a living.

downwithpeace
06-16-2012, 01:40 AM
I hope you're not doing this betting thing for a living.

I don't bet on football for obvious reasons ;)

flamethrowerguy
06-16-2012, 01:49 AM
@downwithpeace - the Irish fans have now become virally famous for their rendering of "The Fields of Athenry" last night. Do you happen to know why our fans sing this dirge at footie matches ? Think of the "plot" of the song - a tenant farmer called Michael, caught up in the Potato Famine of the 1840s, steals some of the landlord's corn to feed his starving family. He is caught, and sentenced to transportation to Australia, leaving his unfortunate wife, Mary, to raise their children "in liberty". One might have thought that she should have been encouraged to deal with the starvation issue first. What has this to do with football ?

A most demuring statement while all of Europe is dreamily humming this tune, lol.

Btw, 'thumbs up' for Sweden-England, to me the most intense and exciting match of the tournament so far.

Kovalski
06-16-2012, 05:12 PM
I don't really know what to say...
How can a team score only 2 goals and get 2 points? In such even group. Where was the passion in the second half? Why they just simply given up?
Why in 3 games they played only for 45 minutes each?
That's unbelievable...
I'm left speechless for the fourth time - 2002, 2006, 2008 and 2012...

downwithpeace
06-16-2012, 05:23 PM
Can't help but feel sorry for Russia, a win, a draw and a loss but they still had the better goal difference over Greece but because Greece had that one goal in their Russia match it negated Russia previous goal differences. An interesting setup, also a new one(?), that isn't entirely fair in my eyes.

flamethrowerguy
06-16-2012, 05:57 PM
That has been quite a surprise...I expected Russia and Poland to make it, now they're both out.

Kovalski
06-16-2012, 06:23 PM
Can't help but feel sorry for Russia, a win, a draw and a loss but they still had the better goal difference over Greece but because Greece had that one goal in their Russia match it negated Russia previous goal differences. An interesting setup, also a new one(?), that isn't entirely fair in my eyes.

Greece - Russia stats:
Shots on target: 2-5
Shots off target: 3-19
Possession: 38-62 %

It speaks for itself. Anti-football again.

downwithpeace
06-16-2012, 06:26 PM
Greece - Russia stats:
Shots on target: 2-5
Shots off target: 3-19
Possession: 38-62 %

It speaks for itself. Anti-football again.

Another job well done UEFA.

Chevan
06-17-2012, 01:29 AM
Greece - Russia stats:
Shots on target: 2-5
Shots off target: 3-19
Possession: 38-62 %

It speaks for itself. Anti-football again.
Do you hint on conspiracy?:)
Ha-ha-ha. I don't know what is it - but i sincerely glad for both chechs and greeks.Bit sorry for Poles though.They got last place in group;)
Russian and Poland are losers.The more ambitions- the less resault!

I don't bet on football for obvious reasons ;)
Very true and obviously resonable!!!

Kovalski
06-17-2012, 02:10 PM
Do you hint on conspiracy?:)


No, not at all.
Personally, I believe the true football is about offensive play, the way the team is constructing the attack, the skills they use to defeat the opponent and score more goals. The result is not the only thing that matters. The way to get the result matters too. If a team is set only for defence, I think there should be no place for them in modern football. The Greeks are playing exactly the same kind of terrible destructive football as in 2004. In my opinion Russians didn't loose because they were weaker. They lost because they happened to be another victim of anti-football, totally destructive and defensive play. As a fan, I find no joy in watching this. I hope the Greeks clash with the Germans in quarter-final and will be levelled to the ground.

Kovalski
06-17-2012, 02:27 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11952706X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11952693X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11952707X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11952700X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11952692X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11952686X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11952689X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z11946371X.jpg

downwithpeace
06-17-2012, 04:37 PM
Netherlands without a point, that's really surprising.

Neutral
06-17-2012, 06:59 PM
Netherlands without a point, that's really surprising.

They are the living proof that a bunch of primadonnas don't make a team, no matter how good they are individually. Ireland, with her huge limitations showed an immense heart, England the same, others were just talk.

Apart from Russia, who should have gone to the quarter-finals instead of Greece, in my opinion the other 3 teams that qualified, deserved it 100%.


Cheers

downwithpeace
06-17-2012, 07:26 PM
They are the living proof that a bunch of primadonnas don't make a team, no matter how good they are individually. Ireland, with her huge limitations showed an immense heart, England the same, others were just talk.

Apart from Russia, who should have gone to the quarter-finals instead of Greece, in my opinion the other 3 teams that qualified, deserved it 100%.


Cheers

The fans should be louder tonight, I hope :)

Another little fact for the class, Euro 2004, Greece advanced from Group A with a win, a draw and a loss just like Euro 2012, only differences were they lost to Russia 2-1 instead of winning 1-0 and went through on over all goal difference against Spain.

Chevan
06-18-2012, 12:17 AM
No, not at all.
Personally, I believe the true football is about offensive play, the way the team is constructing the attack, the skills they use to defeat the opponent and score more goals. The result is not the only thing that matters. The way to get the result matters too. If a team is set only for defence, I think there should be no place for them in modern football.
The defence is very importaint. Each command plays football they think is the best. It's not an anti-footbal, but rather the manner of game for responsible team. Nobody prevented to russians to be a bit more careful in defence , while they walked on field and imagined thay are super-attackers. This might be the lack of Advocat's management also who falsely determined the team on maximum attack style when defends suffers. I glad for greeks and wish them to surprise us in next game.
P.S. the only thing is positive i see now- is that finally this foodbal hysteria of russian fans has ended:(

JR*
06-18-2012, 05:44 AM
I do bet in a small way - but only on the horses. Just as well. My book would have been well behind if I had been wagering on who would qualify from the Group stage. Hard to believe that Russia, Poland and the Netherlands are all out - I rated Russia in particular with a chance of winning the tournament. At this stage, it looks like Spain or Germany; there, I have probably put the jinx on them now. What about Engerland as an outside chance now ? Their camp has been in chaos for the last few months, and expectations of their team seem to have been (untypically) low at home. They could easily have lost to Sweden the other night (seems to me a lot of English people expected them to ... but then they seemed to throw away their script and came through. Of course, they still have some work to do against Ukraine - but I would not put it past them.

Oh well - "Three Lions on my Shirt" (even if they are really Leopards), JR.

Kovalski
06-18-2012, 03:09 PM
It would be amazing to see Italy going home because of the Irish, not some conspiracy theory, a Croatian-Spanish pact.

downwithpeace
06-18-2012, 05:06 PM
Spain and Italy deserve to go through, I thought the linesman on the Italian second half side had some suspect calls but it doesn't matter.

downwithpeace
06-19-2012, 10:46 AM
England 1-2 Ukraine
Sweden 1-2 France

Since I seem to be the biggest jinx of Euro 2012 I'll go for those scores tonight.

Nickdfresh
06-19-2012, 11:02 AM
Hope your not putting money on those games considering your record...

downwithpeace
06-19-2012, 11:10 AM
Hope your not putting money on those games considering your record...

Nope, I'm going with those scores because of my record and because I seem to be a jinx ;)...hint hint, can't say it or I'll jinx it again.

JR*
06-20-2012, 08:47 AM
Another somewhat lucky win for Ingerland. Even Septic Bladder seems convinced of the need for goal-line technology after Ukraine were robbed last night. If I were English, I would be keeping my hopes depressed at the moment - compared with the usual massive hype whenever they qualify for a tournament, expectations have been pitched very low this time, and it seems to work. England must have a chance - not that I will be betting on it ... Best regards, JR.

JR*
06-20-2012, 08:49 AM
Oh yes - I forgot:

"Three Lions on my Shirt,
Jules Rimet still gleaming ..."

Just kidding, JR.

flamethrowerguy
06-20-2012, 10:39 AM
First day without live football for quite some time. What to do with the evening...?

tankgeezer
06-20-2012, 12:56 PM
First day without live football for quite some time. What to do with the evening...?
Beer, ladies, rinse, repeat..

Kovalski
06-20-2012, 02:17 PM
First day without live football for quite some time. What to do with the evening...?

I've mowed the lawn as today is the first day in three weeks witout the rain here.
Somethig is not right. It feels kind a weird without a game on TV.

Polish, Russian and Croatian hooligans were not the only one causing trouble.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/wwwww.jpg

Kovalski
06-20-2012, 02:29 PM
Police in Bydgoszcz has found a body of a man, probably James Nolan, a 21 year old Irishman who went missing on Sunday night. His personal belongings were also found. The family is to arrive in Bydgoszcz tonight to confirm the identity of a man. Local media reported that there was no sign of any injuries on the body and police believe the man's death was an accident. A postmortem will be held later today.

downwithpeace
06-20-2012, 02:37 PM
Beer, ladies, rinse, repeat..

Ladies rinsing in beer.


Police in Bydgoszcz has found a body of a man, probably James Nolan, a 21 year old Irishman who went missing on Sunday night. His personal belongings were also found. The family is to arrive in Bydgoszcz tonight to confirm the identity of a man. Local media reported that there was no sign of any injuries on the body and police believe the man's death was an accident. A postmortem will be held later today.

I think it was said he wandered off after a few drinks, sad story.

JR*
06-21-2012, 05:09 AM
A sad story, indeed. Could have happened anywhere, unfortunately. Polish members may wish to know that the young man's family have expressed great appreciation of and thanks to the Polish authorities and people for their help in the search. Best regards, JR.

downwithpeace
06-21-2012, 09:40 AM
Czech Republic 1-2 Portugal,

But with my record...Czech Republic 2-1 Portugal is probably likely.

Kovalski
06-21-2012, 02:39 PM
Czech Republic 1-2 Portugal,

But with my record...Czech Republic 2-1 Portugal is probably likely.

I would expect Portugal to win 3:1, but Czechs got all what is needed to surprise everybody. Keep an eye on the Czech left wing.

JR*
06-22-2012, 05:25 AM
What chance of a headline tomorrow moring reading "Greece throws Germany out of the Euro" ? Not much, I suppose. I expect that the Greek papers must be making hay of the prospect of tonight's match, in any case ... Best regards, JR.

downwithpeace
06-22-2012, 03:03 PM
If that did happen then the Germans might be so pissed off they really try to throw Greece...nah...Germany will win I think.

flamethrowerguy
06-22-2012, 03:39 PM
If that did happen then the Germans might be so pissed off they really try to throw Greece...nah...Germany will win I think.

Now that you're thinking so I become a bit worried...

downwithpeace
06-22-2012, 05:03 PM
Now that you're thinking so I become a bit worried...

All you have to worry about now is England beating Italy and seeking some revenge ;)

Kovalski
06-22-2012, 05:35 PM
Haven't seen a game at this tournament with a such huge class difference between two teams. I'm glad to see Germans in semi-final. No matter who wins on Sunday, we'll have a football feast soon. And then, tomorrow the real fun starts.

flamethrowerguy
06-22-2012, 05:42 PM
All you have to worry about now is England beating Italy and seeking some revenge ;)

I hope so, the English suit us more than than Italy...as the past has shown. All we gotta do is make it to the penalties.

downwithpeace
06-22-2012, 05:56 PM
Haven't seen a game at this tournament with a such huge class difference between two teams. I'm glad to see Germans in semi-final. No matter who wins on Sunday, we'll have a football feast soon. And then, tomorrow the real fun starts.

Out classed yes but still goes to show how Greece can nab a goal from almost nothing.


I hope so, the English suit us more than than Italy...as the past has shown. All we gotta do is make it to the penalties.

The UK news have said the England team have been practicing penalties along with regular practice before the Italian game, normal for knockout stage practice but first time I recall it being pointed out on more then one news channel.

Tournament wise Germany has the better record, 4 wins to Englands 2 and 1 draw, how they play against the Italians will really tell if they're up for a German rematch.

JR*
06-25-2012, 05:05 AM
So - having knocked out the Greeks, Germany will advance across the twitching bodies of Italy and Spain to claim premiership in Europe. Also, of course, there is the football ... Just kidding, JR.

Kovalski
06-26-2012, 03:35 AM
I believe many would share my view: Germany - Italy milion times more exciting that Spain - Portugal game. Especially, when Spain playing boring football below expectations despite the advance to quarter-final. I can't pinpoint the winner tomorrow, but I got a feeling there will be no penalty shoot-out.

Neutral
06-26-2012, 12:26 PM
I believe many would share my view: Germany - Italy milion times more exciting that Spain - Portugal game. Especially, when Spain playing boring football below expectations despite the advance to quarter-final. I can't pinpoint the winner tomorrow, but I got a feeling there will be no penalty shoot-out.


I for one do not share your view, in fact I don't understand how you can even say something like, 'a million times more exciting'. I'm a football fan first of all, and as such I must say that if Spain and Portugal play half as good as they have played so far there is no possible comparision in terms of a good show, if they do not, then bad football is bad football, no matter how's playing. What you call a boring football by the Spanish is non other then Barcelona FC ball-possession at work, and as far as I'm concerned it's like a ballet and I for one, love it. As for Portugal, at first I expected them to behave like Holland did, but I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised and proud by the professionalism displayed by my National team, who unlike other teams I might add, actually delivered good games and acomplished the objectives, step by step and with modesty. In my opinion, de games against Germany, Holland, and specially against Denmark had everything a football fan could wish for: good football, plenty of goal opportunities and uncertainty in the final result until the end, they won 2 and lost 1, but what more could one wish for?
Although I believe Spain has a better team (many played together the whole season and routine of processes is a huge advantage), individualities will no doubt have a part to play. I'm going to have fun watching that game at the beach, feet on the warm sand, a cold beer in my hand, in the good company of my Portuguese, Spanish, British, Dutch, Italian, Croatian, etc collegues; a swim in the Ocean to cool of at half-time (depending on alcohol comsumption), lots of laughter and friendly banter 'cause that's what any sports competition should be all about, FUN, may the best team win...

Sunny cheers

Neutral

downwithpeace
06-26-2012, 01:20 PM
My expectations aren't high on either match, Spain vs Portugal might be more competitive given the two are neighbors but other then that I don't see much else.

Kovalski
06-27-2012, 05:06 AM
I for one do not share your view, in fact I don't understand how you can even say something like, 'a million times more exciting'. I'm a football fan first of all, and as such I must say that if Spain and Portugal play half as good as they have played so far there is no possible comparision in terms of a good show, if they do not, then bad football is bad football, no matter how's playing. What you call a boring football by the Spanish is non other then Barcelona FC ball-possession at work, and as far as I'm concerned it's like a ballet and I for one, love it. As for Portugal, at first I expected them to behave like Holland did, but I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised and proud by the professionalism displayed by my National team, who unlike other teams I might add, actually delivered good games and acomplished the objectives, step by step and with modesty. In my opinion, de games against Germany, Holland, and specially against Denmark had everything a football fan could wish for: good football, plenty of goal opportunities and uncertainty in the final result until the end, they won 2 and lost 1, but what more could one wish for?
Although I believe Spain has a better team (many played together the whole season and routine of processes is a huge advantage), individualities will no doubt have a part to play. I'm going to have fun watching that game at the beach, feet on the warm sand, a cold beer in my hand, in the good company of my Portuguese, Spanish, British, Dutch, Italian, Croatian, etc collegues; a swim in the Ocean to cool of at half-time (depending on alcohol comsumption), lots of laughter and friendly banter 'cause that's what any sports competition should be all about, FUN, may the best team win...

Sunny cheers

Neutral

To be honest my critical point of view was addressed to the spanish, not the portugese team. I watched the games Spain played at this tournament and I'm really disappointed. Especially, with what they presented against France. I assure you, I wasn't the only one falling asleep during that game.
Of course everybody may like different kinds of football. For me the way the spanish team plays is boring as there is way too many passes. You call it a ballet, I would say a boredom. The more styles of play there is, the more critics there would be. Italian used to be critisied for catenaccio, Greeks for anti-football, so I hope I won't be cursed if I say I don't like all that passing by Spanish.
Regarding the portugese team - they played well in the group stage, despite the tough opposition. Watching them was much more pleasant than watching spanish. And there's no need to remind who was in the "group of death". So far it seems, it could be Ronaldo's tournament. I wonder if manages to withstand the pressure. Also the rest of the team is in the spotlight here. So I find Germany - Italy more interesting, not because of of portugese are playing in first semi-final, but because the spanish will try to put your team (and all the audience) to sleep first and then score some goal.

downwithpeace
06-27-2012, 07:05 PM
The World and European champions didn't look much the part for the majority of that match, last 15 minutes they were the Spain every team fears but it was Portugal that impressed me, sorry to see them out on penalties.

Kovalski
06-28-2012, 01:12 AM
The World and European champions didn't look much the part for the majority of that match, last 15 minutes they were the Spain every team fears but it was Portugal that impressed me, sorry to see them out on penalties.

Spain had 1 shot on goal in the first half, 1... Too bad Portugal missed their chances. It looked like Spanish woke up for the last 10-15 minutes.
And I don't understand one thing. Why Ronaldo was kept for the last penalty, even when they already knew that if Portugal misses their 4th they're out???
Bruno Alves shouldn't take this penalty, if anybody was to lift the pressure, it was Ronaldo.

downwithpeace
06-28-2012, 08:42 AM
Ronaldo was listed to take the 5th penalty and the Irish pundits questioned if it was done more for him wanting the glory of the winning goal then the way the manager wanted.

Kovalski
06-28-2012, 10:59 AM
Ronaldo was listed to take the 5th penalty and the Irish pundits questioned if it was done more for him wanting the glory of the winning goal then the way the manager wanted.

I'm no football expert, just a casual wise-guy, but for God's sake...
What's the point leaving the best penalty taker for the last penalty if we're not even sure he get's a chance to shoot?
Isn't it a bit too risky?

Anyway, Spain made it through so we can focus on the other semi-final. My guess is 3:2 for Germany.

downwithpeace
06-28-2012, 02:24 PM
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4622221_460s.jpg

Hopefully Germany can beat Italy tonight with in the 90 minutes or the added 30 and not having to go to penalties.
Anyone else notice that while Philipp Lahm was giving his speech the banner reading "Respect Diversity" only showed "Respect Divers".

flamethrowerguy
06-28-2012, 05:05 PM
Bleeeh...business as usual, Germany can not defeat Italy in a major tournament although we were facing the maybe weakest Italian team for decades.
Two most amateurish early personal blunders in the defence and the match is decided. WTF, I'll have another beer now...alla salute!

downwithpeace
06-28-2012, 05:13 PM
Germany really needs to work on their defense, the Italians had less possession in the second half but everytime they broke with the ball they were in or at the German box in seconds with little opposition. Germany got very lucky numerous times, miss kicks and slipping by the two Italian forwards.

flamethrowerguy
06-28-2012, 05:28 PM
Germany really needs to work on their defense,

This problem has been well-known before the tournament here, actually we were wondering that our defense performed quite o.k. - until tonight.

downwithpeace
06-28-2012, 05:56 PM
During the group stages they really only did enough in each match, all by one goal, it will be interesting to see if any changes are made for the World Cup qualifiers.

On another note, Ireland, may have only done well in pleasing the Irish and Poles but with their group stage opponents now in the final now it doesn't make them look as bad.

Neutral
06-29-2012, 04:31 AM
I guess Kovalski was right, Germany-Italy was a much better match then Spain-Portugal, although not being in stress does make one appreciate the game more. :)

Congratulations to Italy, they played a very good game last night.


P.S. I don't like the guy very much either, but Ronaldo has always been a great professional, even in his Sporting Lisbon formation days, he does what he is told, as for this coach, I know him well since his player days, his coaching of Sporting juvis and his time as Sporting headcoach and believe me, no one tells him what to do, if there is one thing wrong with this guy is his stubborness. We lost in the penalties loto, that's all there is to it, Ronaldo played a very good Euro and as much as it pains me to say this, I don't think he deserves to be trashed.

Cheers

JR*
06-29-2012, 05:16 AM
Last night's result -

Italy 2 - 0 Germany

(Monti, Merkel OG)

And then there was the football ... Just kidding, JR.

Kovalski
06-29-2012, 08:28 AM
Few pics taken in the last two days.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z12027167X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z12036681XKibicka-Wloch---Euro-2012.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z12036643X.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z12036718X.jpg

A comment for BBC's Panorama "Stadiums of hate" and a false prophet, Sol "The coffin" Campbell.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/brodarito/z12036621X.jpg

flamethrowerguy
06-29-2012, 08:39 AM
What about this one...not as attractive as these female fans but a most significant image , boo hoo!

http://www.express.de/image/view/2012/5/28/16503694,13290646,highRes,1481B800ECC3F2EA.jpg.jpg

JR*
06-29-2012, 09:52 AM
Er ... impressive 'photo of the current Great One, Mario Bailout-elli. Pity poor Man. City fans. Like me for example ... JR.

JR*
06-29-2012, 09:58 AM
The REAL Super Mario ...

Nickdfresh
06-30-2012, 08:45 AM
http://www.football-hooligans.org/images/hooligans/europe/paolo_di_canio1.jpg

sheisskopf !

downwithpeace
06-30-2012, 11:03 AM
Actually that seems to be common before and during the tournament, less so during but a few countries FAs have been fined (Spain, Croatia and Russia)

downwithpeace
06-30-2012, 04:37 PM
Ireland may have come home empty handed but the fans are to be awarded a special award for their internationally recognized behaviour and good spirits.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2012/2012/0630/327235-ireland-fans-to-receive-uefa-award/

This seems the latest craze.
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg812/scaled.php?server=812&filename=balotelli1.jpg&res=landing
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/340/093/f61.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391496_484022244945726_1855487267_n.jpg

JR*
07-02-2012, 05:23 AM
So ... in the end, Spain "turned up" on the night, and we ended up with the result most widely touted as a prediction before the tournament started. Several surprises along the way - but no real surprise at the ending. Italy were probably a bit hard done by in terms of the final score; can't really complain about the result, though. If it was not the greatest game in history, Spain's was one of the great performances.

Love the 'photos of the Grim Striker, Bailout-elli. Don't think I would like to play him, even at table football ... Best regards, JR.

flamethrowerguy
07-02-2012, 03:11 PM
I can't remember a team being annihilated like this in a finale...an impressive performance by Spain.

JR*
07-03-2012, 03:53 AM
As Euro 2012 recedes into history, one thing I will miss about this thread, I must admit, is the 'photos of lovely lady fans. One point confused me - the young lady with the Spanish and Portuguese flags painted on her ... panzerfausts - which country was she supporting ? Or did anybody notice ? Best regards, JR.

downwithpeace
07-03-2012, 11:09 AM
There are pictures of ladies with each countries flags on their faces, the Spanish Portuguese flags just seemed to have migrated south on this one.

Spain were the better side and probably would have won no matter what but the scoreline didn't reflect the game, Italy's injuries and eventual ten man team playing a part in the final 4-0.

Kovalski
07-04-2012, 01:52 AM
As Euro 2012 recedes into history, one thing I will miss about this thread, I must admit, is the 'photos of lovely lady fans. One point confused me - the young lady with the Spanish and Portuguese flags painted on her ... panzerfausts - which country was she supporting ? Or did anybody notice ? Best regards, JR.

No worries JR, there's more to come once I get back online, I mean to work :)

downwithpeace
07-04-2012, 05:48 PM
Lets go out on a high

http://i.imgur.com/9GHKU.gif

Procyon
07-08-2012, 09:54 PM
Italy not winning was the high... :P

DVX
07-16-2012, 08:20 PM
Italy not winning was the high... :P

Italy was the team the shew the better game after Spain. The only regret is Italy was completely out of fuel for the final, physically the team did not stand on his feet. And this was a pity because with an Italian team in a better athletic condition for the final, we'd had seen a lot more hard-fought final.