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Chevan
05-18-2012, 02:28 AM
I found and site , selling the amazing ww2-era books.
This one i see first in life. DER UNTERMENSCH (http://www.od43.com/SS-Der_Untermensch_1942.html). Although it clamed as famouse and a millions bestseller this kind of original literature is very rare.I would like to get an a copy but cann't read in german. Maybe some our friends have a one in english?

Egorka
05-18-2012, 04:56 AM
Chevan, here is an exchange of letters between German officials regarding benefits and disadvantages of the "Der Untermensch".
link : http://labas.livejournal.com/954787.html

It is only in Russian translation and too long for me to translate (try Google translate).

The summary is that the German officials "in the field" (i.e. working on the occupied Eastern territories) complaining to SS leadership that the distribution on the "Der Untermensch" is affecting negatively the local population will for collaboration. The SS leadership has no clue what the other guys are talking about and keep telling them that the "Der Untermensch" was received very well in Europe, so what is the big deal! :)
It is also quite an example of meaningless bureaucratic waste of time, as the letter exchange continued for at least a year without any apparent result.

Chevan
05-23-2012, 11:38 AM
Well, thanks mate. The text was interesting.

JR*
02-29-2016, 07:12 AM
The "Untermensch" business is hardly new. Through the 19th century, at times of any difficulty (civil/political or military) posed by Ireland to our British rulers. British cartoonists portrayed Irishmen as drunken, shillelagh-wielding, clay pipe-smoking, stupid ape-headed savages. Didn't stop the British from recruiting Irishmen in substantial numbers into their army, and sending them to fight in their wars (see Waterloo, for example). Yours from the Widow's cabbage patch, JR.

Rising Sun*
02-29-2016, 07:46 AM
The "Untermensch" business is hardly new. Through the 19th century, at times of any difficulty (civil/political or military) posed by Ireland to our British rulers. British cartoonists portrayed Irishmen as drunken, shillelagh-wielding, clay pipe-smoking, stupid ape-headed savages. Didn't stop the British from recruiting Irishmen in substantial numbers into their army, and sending them to fight in their wars (see Waterloo, for example). Yours from the Widow's cabbage patch, JR.

Also didn't stop the British sending Irish convicts to Australia from the late 18th to mid-19th century, frequently for minor offences, where they were regarded by the British, essentially English Protestant (i.e. Church of England headed by the English monarch as the temporal representation of God since Henry VIII got rid of the annoying Catholics and the Pope as the intermediary between God and man - which is not without some rational attraction), as bog-Irish papists marching to Rome's treasonable Catholic drum, not unlike the view of some nowadays who see all Muslims here as an advance party for ISIS and its self-proclaimed and rapidly reducing caliphate supposedly about to impose sharia on our nation.

The oppression of and then moving gradually to mere discrimination towards Irish Catholics in employment, housing etc continued here until well after WWII.

Nowadays there is an industry in finding a convict ancestor, Irish and Catholic ideally, in the younger generations who have no idea that even in my teenage years in the 1960s one would not advertise, and indeed would conceal, an Irish Catholic convict in one's ancestry. Well, at least, outside the community of descendants of that line and the Catholic schools we attended.

imi
03-02-2016, 10:27 AM
Hitler don't like slavic peoples (he called "untermensch" the jews,blacks,slavs,gypsyes,homosexuals,psychotics), conversely Stalin conducted research to identify the ideal Slav before the war in the Soviet Union

Anyway Hitler was not have the ideal german nazi ideal face from every angle: some photos Hitler looking strange for me, not a typical german (Hitler mother has a strange face I think)
Hitler prefer the hard faced, tall and platinum blonde hair guys and girls with blue eyes called them "my sons" (It is unlikely that he could be a father a platinum blonde child because he born with normal brown hair, only a blonde made blonde child in humans)
Anyway I think Himmler also not was the german ideal with his face, and Goebels is looking strongly a half italian half german to me

Stalin was more looking a Jew and a Georgian then a Russian, but this is my opinion

Nickdfresh
03-02-2016, 01:33 PM
Hitler don't like slavic peoples (he called "untermensch" the jews,blacks,slavs,gypsyes,homosexuals,psychotics), conversely Stalin conducted research to identify the ideal Slav before the war in the Soviet Union

Anyway Hitler was not have the ideal german nazi ideal face from every angle: some photos Hitler looking strange for me, not a typical german (Hitler mother has a strange face I think)
Hitler prefer the hard faced, tall and platinum blonde hair guys and girls with blue eyes called them "my sons" (It is unlikely that he could be a father a platinum blonde child because he born with normal brown hair, only a blonde made blonde child in humans)
Anyway I think Himmler also not was the german ideal with his face, and Goebels is looking strongly a half italian half german to me

Stalin was more looking a Jew and a Georgian then a Russian, but this is my opinion


Funny, but some say Hitler was a psychotic, homosexual part-Jew... :)

imi
03-02-2016, 06:09 PM
Hitler wasn't jew or jewish and he wasn't homosexual. He strongly hate the Jews and the homosexuals also closed them concentration camp
I read many of these false news, like "Hitler love and **** with his half cousin Geli Raubal" and "Hitler was schizophrenic" or "Hitler got only one testicle"
This could be the Israeli Jewish media advertise to discredit Hitler, I think Israel deliberately trying to discredit Hitler's in revenge for the Holocaust
Probably Hitler doesn't be an angel but It is likely actually presented show worse than what he was

imi
03-02-2016, 06:22 PM
These are the dress signs who closed in the camps and the camp inmates must to wear, these peoples aren't Hitlers favourites
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Kennzeichen_f%C3%BCr_Schutzh%C3%A4ftlinge_in_den_K onzentrationslagern.jpg

imi
03-02-2016, 06:54 PM
Here are some photo from the young Stalin mugshot he was definitely jewish (jewish means no a typical full Jew, only a half or quarter Jew)
http://file2.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/f_jpg,w_672,c_fill,g_faces:center,q_70/v1432931724/hwfjbvnfvkkymbjvpbs2.jpg
And a clear photo from the old Stalin
http://a1.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,h_1200,q_80,w_1200/MTE5NTU2MzE2Mzc0NDY4MTA3.jpg

Some have given rise to speculation that Hitler would be somewhat based on some photos of Jewish descent but Hitler was not a Jew or jewish, Hitler was a Austrian (German) born mainly in the north part of the father, but Hitler looks like his mother also
Some of the laymans thinks Hitler was a Jew but only he have big nose nothing else

tankgeezer
03-02-2016, 09:40 PM
Funny, but some say Hitler was a psychotic, homosexual part-Jew... :)

I have heard this as well, Hitler had but a single descended Testicle, was thought by his mess mates in WWI to be homosexual, though according to the notes of his doctor late in his life,Hitler was infected with Syphilis in the days he spent in Vienna trying to become an Art student. He allegedly contracted the disease from a local Jewish Prostitute. In his writings he referred to Syphilis as a "low disease, a Jewish disease." Hitler was also thought to be a Coprophiliac, a fetish you'll need to look up as it's too disgusting to post here.
As for his being Jewish in whole or in part, some genetic data from the Jewish Virtual Library Site may shed some light : "A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in [the Hitler] samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews ... Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population." Again, this study, though scientific by nature, is inconclusive. "

An additional bit of information shows this : " the question seems to stem from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father when born in 1837 and to this day Hitler's paternal grandfather is unknown. Alois' mother, Maria Schicklgruber, is known to have worked in the home of a wealthy Jew, so there is some chance, however small, that a son in that household got Hitler's grandmother pregnant.

In 1933, the London Daily Mirror published a picture of a gravestone in a Jewish cemetery in Bucharest inscribed with some Hebrew characters and the name Adolf Hitler but it is now known that this Bucharest Hitler could not have been the Nazi leaders grandfather. At the time, though, this picture sufficiently worried Hitler that he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself."

imi
03-03-2016, 06:23 AM
An additional bit of information shows this : " the question seems to stem from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father when born in 1837 and to this day Hitler's paternal grandfather is unknown. Alois' mother, Maria Schicklgruber, is known to have worked in the home of a wealthy Jew, so there is some chance, however small, that a son in that household got Hitler's grandmother pregnant.

The findings of genetics is a simple task: to look at the individual
If someone grandfather a Jew the Jewish facial features come down descendants until about two generation for example: father-son-grandchild
After when nobody have with a Jew a common child, the jewish facial features are vanishing

So if Hitler grandparent are was a Jew, his mother or his father must inherit the jew facial features

Hitler father was a full white looking nordic Austrian men (German) so Hitler father surely non a Jew
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Alois_Hitler_in_his_last_years.jpg

Hitler mother has a unidentifiable white strange face (for me) but non Jewish Austrian woman (German)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Klara_Hitler.jpg

And if the theory was right if Hitler was a Jew then his sister Paula must looks like a Jew also, but his sister a white german certainly not Jewish
http://oi66.tinypic.com/260rgc5.jpg

The Jewish foremost facial features:
- big and hooked nose or small hooked nose, large remarkably straight nose
- unusually big or drawned eyes, unusually sharp facial features around the eyes, spiky eyes
- unusually big ears
- unusually wide or small mouth
- being a jew possible in all human race in the world from the white nordic until the chinese or japanese and the african black (if the parents or grandparents are was jews)

Hitler parents and Hitler would't have these features so they are not Jews, and they ancestors also wasn't

Rising Sun*
03-03-2016, 07:16 AM
The findings of genetics is a simple task: to look at the individual
If someone grandfather a Jew the Jewish facial features come down descendants until about two generation for example: father-son-grandchild
After when nobody have with a Jew a common child, the jewish facial features are vanishing

So if Hitler grandparent are was a Jew, his mother or his father must inherit the jew facial features

Hitler father was a full white looking nordic Austrian men (German) so Hitler father surely non a Jew
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Alois_Hitler_in_his_last_years.jpg

Hitler mother has a unidentifiable white strange face (for me) but non Jewish Austrian (German) woman
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Klara_Hitler.jpg

And if the theory was right if Hitler was a Jew then his sister Paula must looks like a Jew also, but his sister a white german certainly not Jewish
http://www.hitlerschildren.com/media/upload/images/Paula%20Hitler.jpg

The Jewish foremost facial features:
- big and hooked nose or small hooked nose, large remarkably straight nose
- unusually big or drawned eyes, unusually sharp facial features around the eyes
- unusually big ears
- unusually wide or small mouth
- being a jew possible in all human race in the world from the white nordic until the chinese or japanese and the african black (if the parents or grandparents are was jews)

Hitler parents and Hitler would't have these features so they are not Jews, and they ancestors also wasn't

Yeah, that theory really worked for a couple of Polish neo-Nazis who didn't look anything like what you (and the Nazis) think Jews should look like.

And then they turned out to be Jews!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315093/Polish-neo-Nazi-skinhead-couple-discover-JEWISH.html

imi, you don't seem to be able to let go of your anti-Jewish inclinations and associated silly assertions.

If you want to keep it up, despite various warnings and generous treatment so far, we'll have to let go of you.

tankgeezer
03-03-2016, 08:33 AM
The Staff are in accord on this imi, if you are insistent upon expressing these inclinations, and assertions, you will have to find some other Site on which to do it, not one further posting of it here. Action on our part may be taken without notice. Really imi, have a glass (or two) of Unicum, and don't worry about this so much, not good for your health to worry.

imi
03-03-2016, 09:23 AM
The Staff are in accord on this imi, if you are insistent upon expressing these inclinations, and assertions, you will have to find some other Site on which to do it, not one further posting of it here.

I do not understand what the problem is, I have given are relevant answers showing that Hitler had no Jewish ancestry
I am not worry, only I explain in my opinions. If someone disturbed the long article you can read in parts
I'm beginning to feel as if I were an Israeli forum board not a USA, I am immediately accused of anti-Semitism all time
Why because I wrote the reality and this looks like this is not allowed
Sorry to ask: You are moderators are Jews or your bosses are Jews because every time I am a anti semitist? Or you are russian ex communists?
Then Shalom to you or shalom to your bosses or good day comrades :D
And I send a list from the "holy" Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_mobsters

I remember the "atomic bomb theme" was the same topic on this forum: when I wrote here a few years ago it was not fair for the US to drop such an effective weapon of mass destruction under ww2, you moderators are constantly threatening me all time for everything
If we speaks excessive atomic bombs or the "holy" Jews probably all living as a saint and not a racist and murder and evil company who rise to power, you moderators all time threathing me all time
I am not drink, but the Unicum is one of the worst drink I ever try, a cold Jägermeister is more better try it :D

JR*
03-03-2016, 09:56 AM
So sorry I dug this thread up from its tomb. Thoughtless of me in the circumstances.

Of course appearances do differ, mainly on the basis of geography. I am Irish - silver (formerly brown) hair, brown, slightly deep-set eyes, respectable sized ears, pale skin with freckles. I regularly pass for a local in the Netherlands, Belgium and France. No such chance in Spain or Italy; I stand out like a stray cucumber among those populations. Meaning what ? Nothing, except that I lack the local dark complexion. As for my "ancestry" - the first direct forbear of mine in the male line popped up in County Sligo in the 17th century. He was probably an English Cromwellian "adventurer", or a product of the early 17th century Plantation of Ulster. His family clearly intermarried extensively and went local (converting at some point to Roman Catholicism). My great grandfather married twice, and fathered about 23 children (not much to do in chilly, rainy North Mayo). His children, and their children, married in all directions. What is our "race" ? Who cares. For all I know, I could be descended from William the Conqueror, Charlemagne or King Solomon. We are all just human, trying to make the best of it. Modern genetics has, in any event, shown that the Nazis' eugenics-derived notion of racial purity is arrant nonsense. Not surprising - humans did not evolve to behave like controlled pedigree Charolais cattle. If we had, we would not have been what we are. Variety really is the spice of life.

I am sorry, imi. I very much appreciate your contributions on this site (particularly in relation to matters Magyar). But you really have to tone it down on this recently-expressed obsession of yours. It may be based on a personal hurt. However, it is also irrational, and will be offensive to many In Here. Please think about this. With very best regards, JR.

imi
03-03-2016, 10:35 AM
I am sorry, imi. I very much appreciate your contributions on this site (particularly in relation to matters Magyar). But you really have to tone it down on this recently-expressed obsession of yours. It may be based on a personal hurt. However, it is also irrational, and will be offensive to many In Here. Please think about this. With very best regards, JR.

I'm sorry, I do not want to spoil the mood but it's true what I described is not fantasy or ideas, and yes It sad but based my personal hurt and experience with the peoples

Nickdfresh
03-03-2016, 10:53 AM
I have heard this as well, Hitler had but a single descended Testicle, was thought by his mess mates in WWI to be homosexual, though according to the notes of his doctor late in his life,Hitler was infected with Syphilis in the days he spent in Vienna trying to become an Art student. He allegedly contracted the disease from a local Jewish Prostitute. In his writings he referred to Syphilis as a "low disease, a Jewish disease." Hitler was also thought to be a Coprophiliac, a fetish you'll need to look up as it's too disgusting to post here.
As for his being Jewish in whole or in part, some genetic data from the Jewish Virtual Library Site may shed some light : "A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in [the Hitler] samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews ... Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population." Again, this study, though scientific by nature, is inconclusive. "

An additional bit of information shows this : " the question seems to stem from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father when born in 1837 and to this day Hitler's paternal grandfather is unknown. Alois' mother, Maria Schicklgruber, is known to have worked in the home of a wealthy Jew, so there is some chance, however small, that a son in that household got Hitler's grandmother pregnant.

In 1933, the London Daily Mirror published a picture of a gravestone in a Jewish cemetery in Bucharest inscribed with some Hebrew characters and the name Adolf Hitler but it is now known that this Bucharest Hitler could not have been the Nazi leaders grandfather. At the time, though, this picture sufficiently worried Hitler that he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself."

The accusations of Hitler being homosexual were mainly made by a German con-artist that was one of Hitler's comrades in the First World War, he was widely discredited and probably was not reliable. Some others in Hitler's inner circle thought he never had sex with Ava Braun, as his aides never noticed any soiled sheets and many in his inner circle seemed to love to speculate about this. Of course his associations with the Brown Shirts, whose ranks were filled with macho gay men like Ernst Röhm, were also used as circumstantial evidence for some to infer Hitler was homosexual. While Hitler almost certainly knew of the Brown Shirts being a clan of gays and their more insidious links to pederasty, he himself was probably a celibate, frigid heterosexual. Personally I think he feared human contact in general and was probably basically celibate for the later part of his public life and probably only really pursued women he could easily dominate. I do think Hitler had an affair with his cousin/niece(?) and that she ended up killing herself, and believe he cavorted with prostitutes as was the norm at the time. I've also heard the accusation of Hitler's bizarre sexual habits, and there are some allegations that he may have prostituted himself to men as a starving artist in Vienna, but there is little evidence of this.

Ironically, the Nazis and Hitler got rid of a senior Heer commander whose name escapes me by inferring he was a homosexual, but I think historians have said this probably wasn't the case as he too was probably just celibate and unable to form relationships with women as he was socially awkward. The name escapes me though, but he probably wasn't too dissimilar to Adolf in that way. Hitler had sway over the masses, especially women, but was seemingly unable to form personal connections, perhaps even to that hen-brain Ava..

Nickdfresh
03-03-2016, 10:55 AM
I do not understand what the problem is, I have given are relevant answers showing that Hitler had no Jewish ancestry
...

:mrgreen:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

imi
03-03-2016, 11:34 AM
:mrgreen:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

I do not argue with you because you and your friends threaten me all time :evil:
One guess these DNA specialist in the end sad that Hitler was a Negro? hahaha that is a joke
These only percent numbers not facts, and Hitler was not a Jew because he not have Jewish face and and either his sister of Paula was a tipical german white woman without any negros or jew face

tankgeezer
03-03-2016, 09:12 PM
Arguments are not why you have found yourself in trouble here. The "threats" you've received are for violations of rules you already know to exist imi, you have been here more than long enough to have seen the others who were dealt with for the same sorts of violations, this is not news to you. We are not being bully's , we are the operational Staff of the Site doing our jobs, in the way that we are supposed to do them. Do not blame us for your inability to control your obsessive assertions concerning Jewish people. And to be honest, and a bit blunt, it may serve you to talk this over with a competent professional. they may well have help for you, so the anxieties do not plague you.

imi
03-03-2016, 09:32 PM
Arguments are not why you have found yourself in trouble here. The "threats" you've received are for violations of rules you already know to exist imi, you have been here more than long enough to have seen the others who were dealt with for the same sorts of violations, this is not news to you. We are not being bully's , we are the operational Staff of the Site doing our jobs, in the way that we are supposed to do them. Do not blame us for your inability to control your obsessive assertions concerning Jewish people. And to be honest, and a bit blunt, it may serve you to talk this over with a competent professional. they may well have help for you, so the anxieties do not plague you.

You moderators want to deny the facts and the truth, and want to take away the right to freedom of expression
The freedom of expression is a fundamental human right
But look: I have many enemies from the Russia, I have many enemies from the Israel, why I don't have some new "friends" from the USA who want to deny the truth? :lol:

tankgeezer
03-04-2016, 12:17 AM
Facts and Truth are not our job as Moderators, or Admins. Making sure that the Site isn't disrupted by those who would for whatever reason refuse to go by the rules IS our job. So that you may have an opportunity to reflect on the events of the past few days, I'm giving you a short vacation. Hopefully, in that time, you will have figured it all out. See you in two days imi, God speed.

Chevan
04-07-2016, 10:10 AM
You moderators want to deny the facts and the truth, and want to take away the right to freedom of expression
The freedom of expression is a fundamental human right

The "facts and the truth" has no deal to your biased posts, coz you definitelly , ignore the DNA research, trying to impose an false conclusion based on the invented "face-research-photo-method".What so funny in "african" galogrups of Hitler's DNA?All of the peoples , living on the planet have the african genes - in more or less quantities. Even me,tupical slavic, or you. This is coz the motheland of mankind is - africa. Nothing new endeed here, if to read, even sometimes, the some antropologies articles ( even in limits of Wiki) . You wrote a nonsence claiming the Hitler couldn't has the jewish genes , just becouse he doesn't look like the jews. Moreover the STalin is a jew coz he looks "jewish";) You seems don't even guess how the real jews might ( or should) looks like. You probably never heard about sefards and ashkenazi jews. The sefards belong to semitic tribes- they looks like the "jews in Nazis posters" - semitic. The caucasian peoples , like osetins and georgians , among which the Stalin was born, had a close influence of islamic semits ( by the ottoman emire) - so much of caucasian looks semitic. That's why the STalin look semitic - not jewish;) The another group of jews , askenazi , according DNA tests, is originate from Southern Europe. Much of them look like you and me - black-hair aryan;)
So please don't look like stopid- to claime that to write a nonsence is your "fundamental human right" ;)


But look: I have many enemies from the Russia, I have many enemies from the Israel, why I don't have some new "friends" from the USA who want to deny the truth? :lol:
It's simple like that- becouse if one a moron- no one wish to be his friend;) SO use our advices - and you probabli will find a friends, at least among our forum members.