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ionionescu
03-20-2012, 01:24 PM
Hello, I am searching the model of the artillery piece from the photos below (used by Romanian Army during WW2). I already searched in Romanian books about artillery, on Romanian forums and on the Web, but I haven't been able to identify it. If anyone has more info and photos, please share. Thank you!

Source for photo no.1: http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/preview.php (http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/preview.php?WGSESSID=3399132d335068f3326129a21a6f0 1e2&UURL=b9e1c2e1b34914bc096b94f2960d0566&IMGID=50107928)
Source for photo no.2: From Barbarossa to Odessa vol.II - D. Bernad, D. Karlenko, J.-L. Roba

http://s6.postimage.org/8ezkldewt/50107928.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/8ezkldewt/) http://s6.postimage.org/y99db5ewt/img068.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/y99db5ewt/)

leccy
03-20-2012, 05:30 PM
Only have limited books on the Romanian Forces and I can not see this weapon in them. Is it a captured soviet weapon?

ionionescu
03-20-2012, 07:47 PM
@leccy, thanks for your answer! No, it is not a captured soviet weapon, the soviets captured such a artillery piece from the Romanians during a counter attack in the morning of 22 September 1941 - as you can see in the second photo attached above.
I searched every book available on Romanian artillery and asked on Romanian forums with no success, my hope is that someone sees the piece and recognizes it right away. :)

leccy
03-20-2012, 08:02 PM
I started looking through Czech, French, Italian and German designs for something similar to hopefully get an idea on its parentage. Still no joy though.

Neutral
03-30-2012, 08:25 AM
I think I may have found it:

6252 6253

If I'm right then your unkown gun it's a Swedish 10,5cm Bofors gun, some were first purchased by the Dutch army in 1926 which aquired 52 of them in two batches and gave them the designation of 10-veld field howitzer. Most of this guns were later captured intact by the Germans which pressed them into service under the designation "10.5 cm FK334 (h)" and "10.5 cm FK335 (h)".

I hope this helps,

Cheers,

Neutral

JR*
03-30-2012, 08:55 AM
I think you are right, Neutral - it certainly looks like a Bofors 10.5 cm. I had been trying to work this out myself, but was looking mainly at French and German guns; Bofors, for some reason, did not occur to me as a possibility. I suppose this gun was passed to the Romanians by the Germans; is there any record of such a transaction, as far as you have come across ? Obrigado, JR.

leccy
03-30-2012, 09:48 AM
I have no idea whether this will help its a free PDF on the Romanian Artillery Branch from the 1800's to present ?

Its in Romanian and has some photos, '165 years of existence of modern Romanian artillery'

http://www.rft.forter.ro/17_bibvirt/pdf/001-165_de_ani_de_existenta_a_artileriei.pdf

There is also this book also a free PDF download but I could not see the example in it either, the text may be more revealing.

http://www.rft.forter.ro/17_bibvirt/pdf/004-artileria-romana-in-date-si-imagini.pdf

ionionescu
03-30-2012, 11:47 AM
@leccy, in that books (and others) there is nothing about the ”10.5 cm Cannon Model 1927” in Romanian Army inventory, maybe the Germans delivered the cannons to the Romanians directly at the front.

ionionescu
03-30-2012, 11:58 AM
@ Neutral, THANK YOU for your help! :), you are right, it is indeed the Swedish ”Bofors 10.5 cm Cannon Model 1927”, I found here: http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?page=stuk-van-10-veld more info and photos with the front view of the cannon. I think the cannons were delivered by the Germans to the Romanians directly at the front, this is why they doesn't appear in the Romanian Army inventory.
Again, thank you very much for your help!
Regards!

leccy
03-30-2012, 04:56 PM
I could not see anything that grabbed me about the 105mm but I thought the links may interest someone anyway and there may have been a small possibility that something was tucked in a little paragraph.

I find very little about the Romanian Forces in WW2 despite them being such a major sized Axis and then Allied force. I have a couple of books in English and know one ok web site dedicated to the Romanian Forces (I use many sites in their original language for other countries).

ionionescu
03-31-2012, 08:55 AM
@leccy, a great book on the subject is: Third Axis, Fourth Ally: Romanian Armed Forces in the European War, 1941-1945, Arms & Armour Press/1995 by Mark Axworthy, Cornel Scafes, Cristian Craciunoiu. Although I don't encourage such practices, I believe it can be found online as a PDF e-book.

And again, many thanks for all you who helped me to solve the mystery: leccy, JR* and Neutral. Regards!

Neutral
03-31-2012, 09:28 AM
And again, many thanks for all you who helped me to solve the mystery: leccy, JR* and Neutral. Regards!

I'm glad I could be of help. :)

Cheers,

Neutral

leccy
03-31-2012, 10:34 AM
I have that one which was the first I got hold of.

I also have ospreys Romanian Army of WW2 (Men at War Series), ospreys Romanian Aces of WW2, Germanys Eastern Front Allies Vol 1 and 2, Seaplanes over the Black Sea 'German Romanian Operations 1941 to 1944, Hitlers forgotten Ally Ion Antonescue and his Regime Romania 1940 to 1944.

The only website I have that still works is http://www.worldwar2.ro/ which is in English, all other sites I had have now closed or disapeared.

I think I was one of the few people who used to play Close Combat Three with the Romanian mod lol.

ionionescu
04-12-2012, 09:20 AM
@bobby1974, this is a English language forum, please use English for forum messages. If you want answer in Romanian language please use PM.

The answer to your question is: if you want to buy the books, try Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Third-Axis-Fourth-Ally-1941-1945/dp/1854092677 and http://www.amazon.com/From-Barbarossa-Odessa-South-East-1941-Volume/dp/1857802802/ (search the first volume too).
Regards!

bobby1974
04-20-2012, 03:38 AM
Thanks man...I will do...

Regards