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MJ1
04-26-2011, 01:12 PM
Any requests for pictures I will try to fill if I have them. Finn and Russian rifles interest me so please share if can.

Pura Vida
....MJ....

MJ1
04-26-2011, 04:25 PM
These are some Finn rifles '42 and '43 M39 and a '36 28/30 Sadly they are being sold so I took some pictures to remember them by,,LOL.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/682fff1d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/3a0485ca.jpg

muscogeemike
05-09-2011, 09:19 PM
I had two of these rifles about 10 years ago. A gun shop in Mena, Arkansas was selling them for around $50 each and they sold a "sporterized" nylon stock for them as well. They were popular with the hunters and shot very well.

MJ1
05-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Some more Finn's, these are not the $49.99 but real collectores with perfect bores. But I do remember back in the day when they were cheap but everything was cheap yesterday. LOL.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/f568dd7a.jpg

muscogeemike
05-21-2011, 11:51 AM
Aint that the truth! I can remember growing up when we could get ‘03 Springfield’s thru the mail for $20-$30. These rifles now go from $800 to $1500, if only we had known!

Rising Sun*
05-21-2011, 12:06 PM
Aint that the truth! I can remember growing up when we could get ‘03 Springfield’s thru the mail for $20-$30. These rifles now go from $800 to $1500, if only we had known!

My recollection is that back in the early 1960s we could buy war surplus .303 Lee Enfields for about 30 shillings (jungle carbines cost more) which equals three dollars now. On current exchange rates equals a bit less than three US dollars. The ammunition was ridiculously cheap at the time, as were other useful military surplus items like aircraft landing lights which made great spotlights for spotlighting (shooting at night), if you could get a big enough battery and carry it.

tankgeezer
05-21-2011, 12:52 PM
My first rifle was a Jungle carbine, it wasnt pristine, but in good shape, and went for $39.00 US. (1967) It was a good rifle, and was very accurate for its short barrel. Surplus .303 ammo was $2.50 per box of 30-32 rounds. It was my favorite until I found an FN-49, chambered in 30-06 it sold for the exorbitant sum of $75.00 .

muscogeemike
05-21-2011, 02:31 PM
I moved from California in the mid 90’s and we could still get Indian made Enfield’s in NATO 7.62 or .303 for less than $100.
A cousin used one to hunt pigs and deer in Arkansas and loved the rifle. I saw him drop a running pig at least 100 yds, so I’d say they shot well.
I avidly believe the .303 was a much better military round than either the Russian 7.62 x 54 or the US .30-06.

MJ1
05-21-2011, 02:57 PM
That would all come under British arms.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/551ff7d1.jpg

83Footer
05-21-2011, 10:09 PM
I wants a Cossack Mosin.

MJ1
03-14-2012, 03:04 PM
No Cossack but a 1916 recevier rebuilt bby the Finn's and issued in 1944 with matching bayonet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/f14e01ae.jpg

MJ1
04-06-2012, 03:44 PM
SVT40

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/5f29da4e.jpg

Wittmann
07-12-2014, 02:17 AM
Nagants are tough rifles.

garm1and
07-12-2014, 06:23 AM
I've got a Mosin rifle made in Tula in 1940. I bought it in 2008 for $75.00. This price included the bayonet, sling, oiling can, and cartridge pouch. It came looking new, having undergone an arsenal overhaul at some point. What I've heard is that the parts are not original to the gun, but had new serial numbers electro penciled on them so that they all match. It seems to me that when I shoot it it is more accurate with old surplus ammo than modern non-corrosive stuff, too bad. My brother in law liked mine so much that he got one too. Spent a little more to get one with a laminated stock, then he went and sporterized it!! :(

Wittmann
07-27-2014, 12:11 AM
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I'm not sure where the prices are today with the Nagant, but IMHO they are the best value for the dollar for military rifles right now. I bought six of them, the last one three years ago, and like most things Russian they are rugged, simple, reliable and very functional.

Some posters on the internet say the accuracy from the Nagant is terrible, but if that is the case I hit the mother load as all six of mine can hit a paper plate with ease at 100 yards, if I do my part. The bores from each vary from ok to good, these are 70 plus year old rifles using corrosive ammunition it is to be expected that the bores won't be perfect, but they can very good.

I will say the M44 does seem to have considerably more felt recoil than any of my other bolt action military actions, I have never fired a Enfield Jungle #5 which I have heard is very stout.

I have ran into the issues with accuracy concerning surplus vs new ammo on a few of the old shooters, I try different brands until I find one that suits the rifle, I really should reload my own ammo for this fact alone. I have one Nagant that I have scouted scoped that isn't shown on the photo above.

tankgeezer
07-27-2014, 11:08 AM
Bore condition is a big variable in those Rifles, usually though the crown is battered, and the muzzle end rifling is damaged from use, or hasty cleaning. (who ever cleaned them? ) To repair these conditions, the muzzles were counter bored to get back to intact rifling. This will help a great deal to return the rifle to its normal very accurate performance.
The Enfield No. 5 Mk. 1 Jungle Carbine was my first rifle, It looked every bit of its age, but even so, it shot very well, and repeatably so despite the stories of them being unable to hold a zero. The recoil came from its reduced weight, about 2 lbs less then the Mk.4 it derives from. It has the same twist rate of the Mk. 4, 1 turn in 10 inches. (though for some reason they used a left hand twist.) Twist rates were determined according to the bullet weight of the service ammo.
Loading your own ammo will give you much increased performance through eliminating, or at least limiting variables in powder charge weights, bullet weights. case length, and primer pocket uniformity. Then test by incrementally increasing the powder charge within the safe pressure range to find the sweet spot for the individual rifle. This can vary even between rifles of the same make, model, and production run. You won't in this case save any money by loading, as surplus ammo is still really inexpensive. But the rifle will shoot as well as it is capable of. This video will show just how good the Mosin Nagant can be. http://youtu.be/a-CTa2lMGN0

garm1and
07-28-2014, 08:57 PM
Wittman
A nice looking collection.:mrgreen: Prices seem to start at around $125 these days. Still not too expensive.

Wittmann
08-03-2014, 11:33 PM
Thanks garm1and and Tankgeezer for the replies .

I will say that 4 of the 6 Nagant rifles that I own are counter bored. Those counter bored do hold their in regards to accuracy. Also as tankgeezer mentioned about improper cleaning can damage the crown, I can attest that 2 of the 4 Nagant rifles that I have with a counter bore also have a very good bore. They may have had damaged the crown at one point due to improper cleaning.

I have one Russian capture K98K 1943 DOT that is counter bored with a very strong bore and a 1938 K98K BSW with a strong bore that isn't counter bored and both are very accurate. It seems like your eyesight is the limiting factor with those two, I guess the same could said about the Nagant .

Not to change the subject but I still think my most accurate military surplus rifle, for me, is the M1 Garand and I will say that aging eyes on v-notch sites that are on the Nagant and K98K are more difficult for me to focus on as compared to the peep sites on the M1 and 03A3, not the rifles fault. I also would like to try the mad minute with the Enfield, I know that the rifle is capable.

garm1and
08-05-2014, 06:51 PM
@ Wittman
I have an M1 Garand, a k98, the Mosin Nagant 91-30, and a couple of Lee enfield #4's. I like the sights of the garand the best, but I shoot better with my #4. It is a post war version with the improved rear sight. I also have a #4 made in '42 at Maltby with the L-shaped flip sight for 300 & 600 yds. Unfortunately the barrel on that one is pretty much worn out. What a pity. :(

Wittmann
08-07-2014, 10:57 PM
garm1and,

It sounds like we collect along the same lines.

My Enfield is a 1943 Savage Stevens No 4, while it shows signs of hard use it still has a very good bore and it holds its accuracy well. The bolt is so smooth on those Enfield's, it really puts the others to shame. The sights and rifle both have a very good feel to them, hopefully I can come across another one for a decent price. While the Nagants are functional and reliable the Enfield's are superb in my opinion.

Too bad about the Maltby, but its still a keeper.

My Garand has an advantage off the bat as it has a replacement barrel from the 1960's that is still in great shape. I have one 03a3 has a replacement 1944 Remington barrel that is basically brand new that I haven't fired, no real reason just need to get it out with the M1.

garm1and
08-08-2014, 06:50 PM
Yes Wittman,
It sounds like we have similar interests. I would like to get my hands on a decent Arisaka type 99, but with the mum not ground off. In that condition they are a little pricey. I might have to settle for one with the mum ground off.

garm1and
08-08-2014, 10:27 PM
I also have a couple of bayonets for the Lee Enfields, the useless spike ones. You've probably seen photos of the Tommies using them to probe for mines! :shock: I also got an original sling for the old Maltby with a 1944 date on it. I don't shoot it too often, but I will give it a good home. LOL

Wittmann
08-09-2014, 01:54 AM
Strange coincidence as I am missing two standard issue WW2 infantry rifles from the major powers, the first being the Japanese Arisaka and the second being the Italian Carcano.

I would really like to add a couple more Enfield's of British in production just to have a variety. I bought the same spike for my Enfield; it’s amazing what risks those soldiers endured on all sides.

Quick note on the subject of Nagants, I was watching a DVD called "Battefield Russia The Eastern Front " by Timless Media Group that contains an interview with Vasily Zaytsev during which he claimed about being caught in a 3-day duel with a German Sniper who had taken 6 Soviet snipers before being shot by Vasily. Vasily said he was surprised to find that his opponent’s credentials put him as the Director of the Sniper School in Berlin. It could give some credence to the Movie "Enemy at the Gates" or just be a NKVD tale forced upon Vasily for the Western people. By all accounts Vasily Zaytsev was probably the greatest sniper ever seen, with or without the 3-day duel story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Zaytsev

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD

The movie "Enemy at the Gates", is a loosely fictional story based upon a controversial 3-day duel between Vasily Zaytsez and a purported high ranking German sniper during the Battle of Stalingrad, whose sole purpose during the film was to eliminate Vasily. The film received very poor reviews from the Russian veterans of WW2, as they felt it portrayed the Russian soldiers as cowards and being forced to fight thru the threat of execution. The German audience disliked the film as well, as they felt it simplified war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_at_the_gates

garm1and
08-09-2014, 06:14 AM
" The film received very poor reviews from the Russian veterans of WW2, as they felt it portrayed the Russian soldiers as cowards and being forced to fight thru the threat of execution. The German audience disliked the film as well, as they felt it simplified war." That's very interesting, I did not know that. I'm not too fond of the Carcano, maybe from the connection with JFK. If someone wants to give me one I'll take it, but at this point I don't plan on buying one.

Wittmann
08-13-2014, 01:52 AM
l felt the same way about the K98's as you do the Carcano a few years ago.

I can remember a couple years ago when my Great Uncle Dale, http://www.huntington.edu/News-Releases/All-News/Bronze-Star-Sacrifice/, a WW2 Veteran wanted to look at my WW2 related firearms, so I put a few out the table. He smiled at the M1 Garand, Carbine, 1911 .45 and Thompson M1 ( Kahr Arms reproduction), recalling memories of each until he then made it to the two K98K's laying at the end of the table and it was stone cold silence afterwards. He picked one of the K98's and worked the bolt and inspected the rifle, something he didn't do with any of the American Rifles, and then he dropped the bolt and looked at the bore on that K98k. All the time I was thinking I should have left the German rifles in the safe, he suddenly reinstalled the bolt and slammed it home and then placed the rifle back on the table. He then recalled all the various methods that guys went to send one of the k98's home as a souvenir and that they should respected as a piece of history like the M1.


As far as Enemy at the Gates movie, the Russians to this day have distrust in any Western produced movie. It is well documented that retreating or even Liberated soldiers or civilians were dealt with.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._270 , Order # 270 is more to cover the Man of Steel and his decision to purge the Red Army, than a reflection of Red Army soldiers of that time period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/Teplyakov.html

Stalin lost his son in a German POW camp and Hitler lost a Nephew. Each had a chance to save to their relation and both refused. Russia refused to sign the Geneva convention under Stalin's direction, Hitler even put out a fig leaf towards Stalin in regards to captive soldiers treatment circa 1942 and Stalin refused stating that all captured soldiers were cowards and traitors.

Germany and Japan still struggle with the past, more in regards with teaching it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_concentration_camps

The one thing that my Uncle Dale told me after leaving all the firearms on table, was that "They are all inanimate objects and it still takes one man to kill another, its not so simple to say the rifle alone was responsible, if it was I would have slept better since the end of the war."

garm1and
08-13-2014, 09:19 PM
Wittman
Thanks for sharing that story about you Uncle Dale, I enjoyed reading his story. I give him full credit for everything he had to endure. I wish to thank him for his service.

Wittmann
08-22-2014, 10:29 PM
garm1and,

Thanks, I will let him know.

After the war he went into teaching, the profession that he would retire from many years later.

Kilroy
08-25-2014, 10:56 AM
Wittmann,

Just to let you know, I though that was a nice and interesting little story you shared with us. Thank you, and if you don't mind me asking, if you can thank your Uncle for me. ( well you don't have to but if you can that would be nice).

Wittmann
08-31-2014, 12:21 AM
I will Kilroy,

For him its really more for remembrance and respect for the ones that didn't make it home, as they paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Wittmann
09-05-2014, 10:17 PM
Tankgeezer,

I was wondering what you thought of the FN 49?

I have FN FAL and was curious about the FN 49, I don't have any experience with one.