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imi
09-25-2010, 05:26 AM
After Stalingrad,the Hungarian Capitol is the fourth biggest city siege under World War 2 and no one remember.
This is a topic to informations and pictures from the fights in Budapest,around the city,or the Hungarian operations like Operation Konrad,Südwind etc.

imi
09-25-2010, 05:48 AM
Some info:
Date:December 29, 1944 - February 13, 1945
German commanders:Adolf Hitler,Karl Pfeffer-Wildenbruch,Gerhard Schmidhuber †
Hungarian commanders: Iván Hindy
Strength: 180,000 (90,000 for city defense)
Enemy Strenght: 500.000+

General situation
By 1944, Hungary remained very much an unwilling satellite of Germany. In March 1944, Hungary was attempting to quit the war, and was seen by Nazi Germany as reluctant to take sufficient measures against the Jews. Germany needed Hungarian oil wells located around Lake Balaton. On 19 March, the Germans launched Operation Margarethe and the German armed forces (Wehrmacht) entered Hungary. The Hungarian Regent, Admiral Miklós Horthy, put Hungary's attempts to quit the war on hold.
In October 1944, Horthy was caught negotiating peace with the Allies. On 16 October, the Germans launched Operation Panzerfaust, and forced Horthy to abdicate. Horthy and his government were replaced by "Hungarist" Ferenc Szálasi, from the Arrow Cross Party.
The Siege
On 29 October 1944, the Red Army started its offensive against the city of Budapest. More than 1,000,000 men split into two operating maneuver groups rushed towards the city. The plan was to cut Budapest off from the rest of the German and Hungarian forces. On 7 November 1944, Soviet and Romanian troops entered the eastern suburbs of Budapest, 20 kilometers from the old town. On 19 December, after a necessary break, the Red Army resumed its offensive. On 26 December, a road linking Budapest to Vienna was seized by the Soviet troops, thereby encircling the city. "Leader of the Nation" (Nemzetvezető), Ferenc Szálasi, had already fled the city on 9 December.
As a result of the Soviet link-up, nearly 33,000 German and 37,000 Hungarian soldiers, as well as over 800,000 civilians, became trapped within the city. Refusing to authorize a withdrawal, German dictator Adolf Hitler had declared Budapest a fortress city (Festung Budapest), which had to be defended to the last man. Waffen SS General Karl Pfeffer-Wildenbruch, the commander of the IX Waffen SS Alpine Corps, was put in charge of the city's defenses.
Budapest was a major target for Joseph Stalin. Indeed, the Yalta Conference was approaching and Stalin wanted to display his full strength to Churchill and Roosevelt. Therefore, he ordered General Rodion Malinovsky to seize the city as quickly as possible.
On 29 December 1944, Malinovsky sent two emissaries to negotiate the city's capitulation. The emissaries never returned. This particular point is widely disputed by the Soviet Union, with some German and Hungarian historians arguing that the emissaries were deliberately shot by the Soviets. Others believe that they were in fact shot by mistake on their way back. In any case, Soviet commanders considered this act as a refusal and ordered the attack.
The start of the siege and first German offensive
The Soviet offensive started in the eastern suburbs, advancing through Pest, making good use of the large central avenues to speed up their progress. The German and Hungarian defenders, overwhelmed, tried to trade space for time to slow down the Soviet advance to a crawl. They ultimately withdrew to shorten their lines, hoping to take advantage of the hilly nature of Buda.
In January 1945, the Germans launched a three part counter-offensive codenamed Operation Konrad. Operation Konrad was a joint German-Hungarian effort to relieve the encircled garrison of Budapest.
On 1 January, Operation Konrad I was launched. The German IV.SS-Panzerkorps attacked from Tata through hilly terrain north of Budapest in an effort to break the Soviet siege. Simultaneously, Waffen-SS forces struck from the west of Budapest in an effort to gain tactical advantage. On 3 January, the Soviet command sent four more divisions to meet the threat. This Soviet action stopped the offensive near Bicske less than 20 kilometers west of Budapest. On 12 January, the German forces were forced to withdraw.
On 7 January, the Germans launched Operation Konrad II. The German IV.SS-Panzerkorps attacked from Esztergom towards the Budapest Airport. They tried to capture the airport in order to improve air supply of the city. This offensive was halted near the airport.
On 17 January, the last part of Operation Konrad was launched - Operation Konrad III. The German IV.SS-Panzerkorps and the III. Panzerkorps attacked from the south of Budapest and attempted to encircle ten Soviet divisions. This encirclement attempt failed.
Combat intensification
Meanwhile, urban warfare in Budapest increased in intensity. Supplies became a decisive factor because of the loss of the Ferihegy airport just before the start of the siege, on 27 December 1944. Until 9 January 1945, German troops were able to use some of the main avenues as well as the park next to Buda Castle as landing zones for planes and gliders, although they were under constant artillery fire from the Soviets. Before the Danube froze, some supplies could be passed on barges, under the cover of darkness and fog.
Nevertheless, food shortages were more and more common and soldiers had to rely on finding their own sources of food, some even resorting to eating their own horses. Extreme temperatures also affected German and Hungarian troops.
Quite quickly, the Soviet troops found themselves in the same situation as the Germans had in Stalingrad. Still, their troops were able to take advantage of the urban terrain by relying heavily on snipers and sappers to advance. Fights broke out even in the sewers, as both Axis and Soviet troops used them for troop movement. Six Soviet marines even managed to get to the Castle Hill and capture a German officer before returning to their own lines - still underground. But such feats were rare because of ambushes set up by the Axis troops using local inhabitants as guides in the sewers.
In mid-January, Csepel Island was taken, along with its military factories, which were still producing Panzerfausts and shells, even under Soviet fire. Meanwhile in Pest, the situation deteriorated, with the garrison facing the risk of being cut in half by the advancing Soviet troops.
On 17 January 1945, Hitler agreed to withdraw all the remaining troops from Pest to try to defend Buda. All of the five bridges spanning the Danube were clogged with traffic, evacuating troops and civilians. On 18 January 1945, German troops destroyed the five bridges, despite protests from Hungarian officers.
The second German offensive
On 20 January 1945, German troops launched their second major offensive, this time south of the city, blasting a 20 km hole in Soviet lines and advancing to the Danube, threatening Soviet supply lines.
Stalin ordered his troops to hold their ground at all costs, and two Army Corps that were dispatched to assault Budapest were hastily moved south of the city to counter the German offensive. Nevertheless, German troops who got to less than 20 kilometres from the city were unable to maintain their offensive due to fatigue and supply issues. Budapest's defenders asked permission to leave the city and escape the encirclement. Hitler refused.
On 28 January 1945, German troops could no longer hold their ground and were forced to withdraw.
The fate of the defenders of Budapest was sealed.

imi
09-25-2010, 05:49 AM
The Battle for Buda
Unlike Pest, which is built on flat terrain, the city of Buda is built on hills. This allowed the defenders to place artillery and fortifications above the attackers, greatly slowing Soviet advance. The main citadel, Gellért Hill was defended by elite Waffen-SS troops that successfully repelled several Soviet assaults. Nearby, Soviet and German forces were fighting for the city cemetery. Fights on the shell-opened tombs would last for several days.
Fighting on Margaret Island, in the middle of the Danube, was particularly merciless. The island was still attached to the rest of the city by the remaining half of the Margaret Bridge and was used as parachuting area as well as for covering improvised airstrips set up in the downtown. From the Soviet side in fights on the island 25th Gds rifle division operated (losses see below).
On 11 February 1945, the Gellért Hill finally fell after a vicious Soviet attack launched from three points of compass simultaneously, after six weeks of fighting. Soviet artillery was finally able to dominate the entire city and to shell the remaining Axis defenders, who were concentrated in less than two square kilometres and suffering from malnutrition and diseases.
The experience of Joseph Szentkiralyi illustrates the privations experienced by many. Szentkiralyi had worked in the United States prior to World War II and had been deported back to Hungary. During the Siege of Budapest, he and his family endured constant artillery bombardment and street-by-street tank and infantry battles between the Germans, the remnants of the Royal Hungarian Army, and the attacking Ukrainian and Russian forces. Szentkiralyi, along with others, risked their lives by leaving the bomb shelters to butcher frozen horse carcasses in the streets to prevent starvation and help keep their families alive. At the end, daily rations consisted of melted snow, horse meat, and 150 grams of bread. Szentkiralyi narrowly escaped arrest and likely execution by the Soviets after the war's end, escaping to Switzerland.
Despite the lack of supplies, the defenders refused to surrender and defended every street and house, fighting Soviet troops and tanks. By this time, some of the captured Hungarian soldiers defected and fought on the Soviet side. The Hungarians fighting for the Soviets were known collectively as the "Volunteer Regiment of Buda."
After capturing the southern railway station during a two-day bloodbath, Soviet troops advanced to the Castle hill. On 10 February 1945, after a violent assault, Soviet marines established a bridgehead on the Castle hill, while almost cutting the remaining garrison in half.
The third German breakout and surrender
Hitler still forbade the German commander, Pfeffer-Wildenbruch, to abandon Budapest or to attempt a breakout of the encirclement. But the glider flights (DFS 230) bringing in supplies had ended a few days earlier and the parachute drops had also been discontinued.
In desperation, Pfeffer-Wildenbruch decided to lead the remnants of his troops out of Budapest. The German commander did not typically consult much with the Hungarian commander of the city. However, Pfeffer-Wildenbruch now uncharacteristically included the Hungarian commander, General Iván Hindy, in this last desperate breakout attempt.
On the night of 11 February, twenty-eight thousand German and Hungarian troops began to stream down from Castle Hill. They moved in three waves. With each wave were thousands of civilians. Entire families, pushing prams, trod through the snow and ice. Unfortunately for the would-be escapees, the Soviets awaited them in prepared positions.
The troops, along with the civilians, used fog to their advantage. The first wave managed to surprise the waiting Soviet soldiers and artillery, and its sheer numbers allowed many to escape. The second and third waves were less fortunate than the first. Soviet artillery and rocket batteries bracketed the escape area, with deadly results. But, despite heavy losses, five to ten thousand people managed to reach the wooded hills northwest of Budapest and escape towards Vienna. 600-700 German soldiers reached the main German lines from Budapest. Roughly a third of these soldiers belonged to the "Feldhernhalle" Panzergrenadier Division, and 170 to the Waffen-SS. The number of Hungarian escapees is around 80 (44 civilians, 25 Aross Cross Party militias and 11 man in military uniform (including 3 students and 1 policeman).
The majority of the escapees were killed, wounded, or captured by the Soviet troops. Pfeffer-Wildenbruch and Hindy were among the captured.
On 13 February 1945, the remaining defenders finally surrendered. Budapest lay in ruins, with more than 80 percent of its buildings destroyed or damaged, and historical buildings like the Hungarian Parliament Building and the Castle in ruins. All five bridges spanning the Danube were destroyed.
Aftermath
n the end, eighty percent of Budapest's buildings were destroyed or damaged during the siege. German and Hungarian military losses were high with entire divisions destroyed. The Germans lost all or most of the 13.Panzer-Division, the 60.Panzergrenadier-Division Feldherrnhalle, the 8.SS-Kavallerie-Division Florian Geyer, and the 22.SS-Kavallerie-Division Maria Theresa. The Hungarian I Corps was completely destroyed. Hungarian divisions destroyed included the 10th Infantry Division, the 12th Infantry Division, and the 1st Armored Division. In January 1945, 32,000 ethnic Germans from within Hungary were arrested and transported to the Soviet Union as forced laborers. In some villages, the entire adult population were taken to labor camps in the Donets Basin.Many died there as a result of hardships and ill-treatment. Overall, more than 500,000 Hungarians were transported to the Soviet Union (including between 100,000 and 170,000 Hungarian ethnic Germans)
Civilian deaths and mass rape
When the Soviets finally claimed victory, they initiated an orgy of violence, including wholesale theft of anything they could lay their hands on, random executions, and mass rape. Some 40,000 civilians were killed, with an unknown number dying from starvation and diseases. During the siege, an estimated 50,000 women and girls were raped,348-350 though estimates vary from 5,000 to 200,000.129 Hungarian girls were kidnapped and taken to Red Army quarters, where they were imprisoned, repeatedly raped, and sometimes murdered Even embassy staff from neutral countries were captured and raped, as documented when Soviet soldiers attacked the Swedish legation in Germany.

imi
09-25-2010, 07:36 AM
Commanders

Karl von Pfeffer-Wildenbruch
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101III-Ege-237-06A,_Karl_von_Pfeffer-Wildenbruch.jpg/250px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_101III-Ege-237-06A,_Karl_von_Pfeffer-Wildenbruch.jpg
Gerhard Schmidhuber
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-088-3743-15A,_Gerhard_Schmidhuber.jpg/250px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-088-3743-15A,_Gerhard_Schmidhuber.jpg
Iván Hindy
http://betiltva.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hindy.jpg

imi
09-25-2010, 07:47 AM
Waffen SS "Totenkopf" tanks in Szomor around a church.(StugIII,Panzer IV,Panzer V) Operation Konrad I.
http://crowland.uw.hu/images/haboru/konrad_1.jpg
German Sdkfz convoy with Panthers moving trough in the passage of Agostyán.Operation Konrad I.
http://crowland.uw.hu/images/haboru/konrad_3.jpg
Waffen SS "Totenkopf" troops rest around Szomor. Operation Konrad
http://crowland.uw.hu/images/haboru/konrad_2.jpg
Waffen SS "Wiking" Kampfgruppe "Darges" with the commander of the hungarian forces at the entrance of the Mountain Castle 8th of january 1945
http://crowland.uw.hu/images/haboru/konrad_4.jpg

leccy
09-25-2010, 07:58 AM
I may be wrong and I suppose it depends on how you judge the biggest city siege 'size of city, population, land area, economic value, capital, length of siege, troops involved, civilians involved, deaths, impact on the war'

Leningrad siege (St Petersberg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad)

It started on 8 September 1941, when the last land connection to the city was severed. Although the Soviets managed to open a narrow land corridor to the city on 18 January 1943, the total lifting took place on 27 January 1944, 872 days after it began.

Sevastopol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sevastopol_%281941%E2%80%931942%29)

Took place from 30 October 1941 to 4 July 1942

Stalingrad siege (Volgorad) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad)

Took place between 17 July 1942 and 2 February 1943

Budapest siege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Budapest)

City surrounded 29 December 1944 by the Red Army and the Romanian Army. The siege ended when the city was unconditionally surrendered on 13 February 1945.

imi
09-25-2010, 08:11 AM
Troops from the Waffen SS "Maria Theresia" cavalry check the captured hungarian weapons
http://img0.tar.hu/tiger205/size2/73180789.jpg
Executed surrender Wehrmacht soldier
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/27051-5/Budapest
Surrender German troops
http://www.aviapress.com/book/mcs/mcs010_11.jpg
Feldherrnhalle Kőnigtiger II in the Castle of Buda
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/PzVIB/PzVIB_26.jpg

imi
09-25-2010, 08:14 AM
ok you're right,the fourth biggest haha anyway thanks for the info I solve.

imi
09-25-2010, 08:26 AM
Soviet troops after the city siege
http://www.osaarchivum.org/galeria/sites/siege/tablo1kep2.jpg
Soviets at the downtown of Budapest near a AA gun
http://www.international.ucla.edu/media/images/SovietBudapest.jpg
A Soviet soldier writing "Budapest" in Russian on a signpost after the siege.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Russian_Soldier_Budapest.JPG

imi
09-25-2010, 09:53 AM
Waffen SS "Wiking" Stug moving to Budapest
http://oi52.tinypic.com/2qxaiae.jpg
Fallen Waffen SS "Wiking" troops around the mountains of Budapest after the breakout
http://oi54.tinypic.com/30vk8q8.jpg
Abandoned Ferdenhalle Panther Ausf G and Zrinyi 2 105 mm howizter Knocked Out in Budapest suburbs january of 1945
http://oi54.tinypic.com/20f7p15.jpg

imi
09-25-2010, 02:43 PM
Ernst Keller’s Christmas letter to his parents from Budapest. Due to censorship, the writer attempted to express and communicate the dreams and wishes of the ordinary soldier by using drawings. The author became a prisoner of war after the siege and he was freed at the end of 1948.
http://oi56.tinypic.com/1zoxn9w.jpg
1. What can a foot soldier dream about? – rest
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2iuqp05.jpg
2. Delicious food and women
http://oi54.tinypic.com/2ytpa9t.jpg
3.A leave pass: Lance corporal Stove-pipe, between December 17, 1944 and March 25, 1945…
A Wehrmacht ticket issued in Budapest
http://oi53.tinypic.com/30cu2df.jpg
4. And the big question: the discharge command: Sub-officer Stove-pipe was discharged from active duty on December 2, 1948. Publisher: Bureau of Mass Information, December 16, 1944. Magyarcsók (probably Mogyoród)

leccy
09-25-2010, 03:24 PM
Waffen SS "Wiking" Stug moving to Budapest
http://oi52.tinypic.com/2qxaiae.jpg
Fallen Waffen SS "Wiking" troops around the mountains of Budapest after the breakout
http://oi54.tinypic.com/30vk8q8.jpg
Abandoned Ferdenhalle Panther Ausf G and Zrinyi 2 105 mm howizter Knocked Out in Budapest suburbs january of 1945
http://oi54.tinypic.com/20f7p15.jpg

The vehicle looks more like a stug and the caption reads StuH 42

imi
09-26-2010, 04:11 AM
I'm not sure about that the stug wasn't a howitzer and the tube is so short,but maybe you're right

leccy
09-26-2010, 05:37 AM
In 1942, a variant of the StuG III Ausf. F was designed with a 105 mm (4.1 in) howitzer instead of the 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/43 cannon. These new vehicles, designated StuH 42 (Sturmhaubitze 42, Sd.Kfz 142/2), were designed to provide infantry support with the increased number of StuG III Ausf. F/8 and Ausf. Gs being used in the anti-tank role. The StuH 42 mounted a variant of the 10.5 cm leFH 18 howitzer, modified to be electrically fired and fitted with a muzzle brake. Later models were built from StuG III Ausf. G chassis as well as StuG III Ausf. F and Ausf. F/8 chassis. The muzzle brake was often omitted due to the scarcity of resources later in the war. 1,211 StuH 42 were produced from October 1942 to 1945.

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imi
09-26-2010, 09:22 AM
that's it I think

imi
09-26-2010, 11:02 PM
German soldiers arrive to Budapest 1944
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2reny2r.jpg
"Wiking" scouts somewhere in Hungary under Operation Konrad 2
http://oi53.tinypic.com/4g3cyq.jpg
Buda after the Siege
http://oi54.tinypic.com/30cup93.jpg

imi
09-28-2010, 09:17 AM
"Reichsführer" Waffen SS vehicles on the Margit bridge 26th of march 1944
http://oi54.tinypic.com/4in9m9.jpg
An assault column from 3.SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Totenkopf" moves out in bleak weather during Operation Konrad II, Hungary 1945
http://oi53.tinypic.com/ixzal2.jpg
Kőnigstiger near the Balaton lake Operation Konrad I.
http://oi55.tinypic.com/w1z0x3.jpg

imi
09-28-2010, 03:47 PM
Stug IV in the lowlands september of 1944
http://oi53.tinypic.com/2z6fszt.jpg
Panther in Debrecen
http://oi53.tinypic.com/wujeva.jpg
German soldiers at the first line waiting the attack of the Red Army
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2s67fxf.jpg

imi
09-28-2010, 04:37 PM
Waffen SS truck at the National Theater
http://oi51.tinypic.com/1hwknm.jpg
Reichsführer SS Panzergrenadier Sdkfz with 7,5 Pak moving on Rákóczi road
http://oi52.tinypic.com/10dxovd.jpg
"Maria Theresia" Waffen SS cavalry troops at the Royal Palace 16th of october 1944
http://oi54.tinypic.com/35a3wo0.jpg

imi
09-28-2010, 07:20 PM
Panzer IV J tanks near Waffen SS panzergrenadiers 1945 Operation "Südwind"
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2a7foep.jpg
Waffen SS Sdkfz convoy near the hungarian border Konrad I. 1945
http://oi52.tinypic.com/2qulkip.jpg

imi
09-29-2010, 10:37 AM
Grenadiers of the 3.SS-Panzer-Division "Totenkopf" take cover from incoming artillery somewhere in Hungary.March 1945
http://oi52.tinypic.com/zl4u9f.jpg
Sdkfz 251 halftrack with mg42 moving near a shooted out burning truck in the Pilis mountain
http://oi53.tinypic.com/syo391.jpg

imi
09-29-2010, 01:12 PM
1945 march:small group Waffen SS panzergrenadier who survived the breakout marching near a small village in the Dunántúl to Wien
http://oi55.tinypic.com/28an5o7.jpg
Waffen SS soldier from the 8th cavalry "Florian Geyer" at the foreground of Budapest.december of 1944
http://oi52.tinypic.com/o51953.jpg

imi
09-30-2010, 07:23 AM
The IV. SS Panzer Corps and army(1,3,3.SS,5.SS battalion) weekly status report 20-21 january of 1945

Battalion figthers number: maximum 6450
Panzer IV: 24
Panther: 59
Tiger: 2
Jagdpanzer: 25
Stug: 17
7,5 Pak: 38
Light artillery unit: 18
Heavy artillery unit: 19
Mobilty: 57%
Fightning rate: II. class

imi
09-30-2010, 07:50 AM
The III. Panzer Corps and army(23rd,4th cavalry,2.royal hungarian,1.royal hungarian battalion) weekly status report 20. of january 1945

Battalion figthers number: maximum 5400
Panzer IV: 28+3
Panther: 6
Tiger: -
Jagdpanzer: 9+7
Stug: 12
7,5 Pak: 26
Light artillery unit: 22
Heavy artillery unit: 4
Mobilty: in the 23: 65% in the 2.royal hungarian: 50%
Fightning rate: in the 23 II.class;in the 4th cavalry II.class;in the 2nd royal hungarian IV.class;in the 1st royal hungarian IV.class
Total Fightning Rate: III.class

imi
09-30-2010, 08:08 AM
88 AA gun at the foreground of Budapest
http://oi54.tinypic.com/2vkyphz.jpg
Soviet Katyushas shooting Budapest
http://oi52.tinypic.com/sc3jsw.jpg
Destroyed Soviet M4A2 Sherman at Székesfehérvár.Operation Konrad
http://oi52.tinypic.com/2dj8izt.jpg

imi
09-30-2010, 09:21 AM
The "Gruppe Holste" (4th hungarian cavalry,2nd royal hungarian,under the command the IV SS Panzer Corps) weekly status report 27. of january 1945

Battalion figthers number: maximum 2450
Panzer IV: 14
Panther: 10
Tiger: -
Jagdpanzer: 1
Stug: 4
7,5 Pak: 4
Light artillery unit: 7
Heavy artillery unit: 2
Mobilty: -
Fightning rate: in the 4th cavalry II.class;in the 2nd royal hungarian IV.class
Total Fightning Rate: III.class

imi
09-30-2010, 09:41 AM
The "Gruppe Pape" (1st panzer scouts,25th royal hungarian battalion) weekly status report 27. of january 1945

Battalion figthers number: maximum 3600
Panzer I: -
Panther: -
Tiger: -
Jagdpanzer: -
Stug: -
7,5 Pak: 18
Light artillery unit: 6
Heavy artillery unit: 1
Mobilty: in the 1st panzer scouts 65%;in the 25th hungarian 80%
Fightning rate: in the 1st panzer scouts I.class;in the 25th royal hungarian IV.class
Total Fightning Rate: III.class

imi
09-30-2010, 09:52 AM
The "Gruppe von Roden" ("Gruppe Martini",25th royal hungarian infantry battalion) weekly status report 10. of february 1945

Battalion figthers number: maximum 2850
Panzer IV: 7
Panther: 13
Tiger: -
Jagdpanzer: -
Stug: -
7,5 Pak: 22
Light artillery unit: 1
Heavy artillery unit: 2
Mobilty: in the "Gruppe Martini" 100%;in the 25th royal hungarian infantry 80%
Fightning rate: in the "Gruppe Martini" II.class;in the 25th royal hungarian infantry III.class
Total Fightning Rate: II. - III.class

imi
09-30-2010, 11:31 AM
SdKfz 7/1 2cm Waffen SS flak firing ground targets
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3696/sdkfz71tpus2cmwaffenss.jpg
Messerschmitt BF 110 fighters flight over Budapest
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9787/messerschmittbf110fight.jpg
Hungarian defense projection in Pilisszentkereszt
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4656/pilisszentkeresztmagyar.jpg

imi
09-30-2010, 11:53 AM
The I. Panzer corps report of the vehicles from 15 of january to 15 of february 1945

15th of january - 15th of february
Panzer IV: 9 (16) 1 (13)
Panther: 12 (38) 8 (61)
StuG. III: 1 (2) 0 (2)
Marder: 7 (11) 0 (8)
Nashorn: 3 (4) 0 (4)
Pz. Beob.Wg. III: 3 (3) 0 (3)
Sd.Kfz. 250: 12 (17) 9 (15)
Sd.Kfz. 251: 55 (80) 54 (76)
le. Pz.Sp.W. : 2 (4) 3 (4)
s. Pz.Sp.W. : 2 (5) 2 (5)
Hummel: 13 (18) 9 (17)
Total: 119 (198) 86 (208)

imi
09-30-2010, 12:06 PM
The III. Panzer corps report of the vehicles from 15 of january to 10 of february 1945

15th of january - 10 of february
Panzer IV: 15(19) 9
Panzer IV/70: 9(12) ?
Panther: 12(44) 9
StuG. III: 9(10) 2
StuG. IV: 0(1) ?
Jagdpanzer IV: 5(9) ?
Aufkl. auf Fgst. : 14(24) ?
Pz. Beob. Wg. III: 2(5) ?
Sd.Kfz. 250: 46(61) ?
Sd.Kfz. 251: 74(116) ?
le. Pz.Sp.W. : (23) ?
Wespe: 8(11) ?
Hummel: 3(6) ?
Total: (341) ?

imi
09-30-2010, 12:19 PM
The 3rd Waffen SS Division "Totenkopf" report of the vehicles from 15 of january to 15 of february 1945

15th of january - 15 of february
Panzer IV: 10(21) 13(17)
Panther: 7(24) 11(16)
Tiger E: 4(11) No Data
StuG. III: 15(31) 12(17)
Jagd-panzer IV: 6(15) 2(7)
Pz. Beob.Wg. III és IV: 2(4) 1 (3)
Sd.Kfz. 250: 22(29) 21(28)
Sd.Kfz. 251: 42(52) 37(53)
le. Pz.Sp.W. : 4(6) 4(6)
s. Pz.Sp.W. : 3(4) 3(4)
Wespe: 7(8) 4(5)
Hummel: 8(10) 5(9)
Total: 129(214) ?

imi
09-30-2010, 12:30 PM
The 4th cavalrybrigade report of the vehicles from 16 of january to 10 of february 1945

StuG. III: 8(21) 8
Jagdpanzer IV: ? 8
Panzer II: No Data No Data
Luchs: No Data No Data
Sd.Kfz. 250: No Data No Data

imi
09-30-2010, 12:43 PM
The 6th Panzer Armee commanders giving orders near the Balaton lake
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1944/6thpanzerarmee1945feb1b.jpg
Aufkl. auf Fgst. Pz.Kpfw. 38(t)
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4677/aufklauffgstpzkpfw38t.jpg
The last defense lines:Waffen SS "Wiking" soldiers in the foxhole before leave the country
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7944/wiking1945b.jpg

imi
09-30-2010, 12:52 PM
The 2nd Hungarian Royal Army Panzer Division report of the vehicles from 16 january 1945 to 10 february 1945

Panzer IV: 27 (32) 16
Panther: No Data 0
38 M Toldi II: No Data No Data
38 M Toldi IIA: No Data No Data
Csaba: No Data No Data
Nimród: No Data No Data

imi
09-30-2010, 01:10 PM
The 5th Waffen SS PanzerDivision "Wiking" report of the vehicles from 15 of january to 15 of february 1945

Panzer IV: 3(10) 3(4)
Panther: 5(18) 8(18)
Stug IV: 0(5) 1(5)
Jagdpanzer IV: 2(13) 0(10)
Pz. Beob. Wg. III: 2(3) 2(3)
Sd.Kfz. 250: 32(51) 20(40)
Sd.Kfz. 251: 107(130) 67(145)
le. Pz.Sp.W. : 5(7) 3(6)
s. Pz.Sp.W. : 1(1) 0(1)
Wespe: 10(12) 6(11)
Hummel: 3(4) 2(4)
Total:170(254) 112(247)

imi
09-30-2010, 01:42 PM
The "Balck armygroup" self sufficient Panzercorps vehicle report 16 of january - 15 february 1945

24/I.Panzer Class
Panther: No Data No Data
219. Assault Panzer class
Sturmpanzer IV: 11(22) 9(20)
303.Assault Artillery Brigade
Stug III. : No Data 11(20)
351.Flamethrower Panzer Company
Panzer III.(Flammpanzer): No Data No Data
509.Heavy Armoured Class
Tiger B: 42(45) No Data
"Feldherrnhalle" Heavy Armoured Class
Tiger B: 5(23) No Data

imi
09-30-2010, 02:42 PM
Video: Leutnant von Rosen in King Tiger 300 and newly refit s.Pz.Abt. 503 prepare to leave for Hungary, 15 October 1944 (from 0:38)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRVTFiygSes

imi
09-30-2010, 04:46 PM
The report of the 23rd Panzer Division vehicles from 15 of january to 16 of february 1945

Panzer IV: 3(14) 3(19)
Panzer IV/70: - 4(7)
Panther: 2(26) 12(38)
StuG. III: 4(9) 3(9)
Jagdpanzer IV: 9(14) 12(15)
Pz. Beob. Wg. III és IV: 1(4) 3(5)
Sd.Kfz. 250: 36(47) 35(43)
Sd.Kfz. 251: 37(48) 34(46)
le. Pz.Sp.W. : 8(10) 7(15)
s. Pz.Sp.W. : 2(2) 4(5)
Wespe: 5(13) 8(13)
Hummel: 2(6) 3(6)
Total:109(193) 128(221)

imi
09-30-2010, 05:38 PM
The report of other weapons of the 5th Panzer Division "Wiking" 15th of january 1945
Key:Available;Operational;Needed

Commander's Panzer IV. : -;-;3
Commander's Panther: 2;1;4
Flak Panzer: -;-;8
Ammunition supplier Panzer II. : 3;3;-
Ammunition supplier Panzer IV. : -;-;2
Pioneer Panzer III. : -;-;?
Pioneer Panther: 6;5;-
Light armoured scout car: 7;5;-
Heavy armoured scout car: 1;1;-

Rifles&Carbines: 9969;-;-
Pistols: No Data
Submachineguns: 833;-;?
Italian submachineguns: 217;-;-
Sturmgewehr 44 automatic carbines: 45;-;555
Light machineguns:525;-;485
Heavy machineguns: 98;-;64

8cm medium mortar: 45;-;17
12cm heavy mortar: 30;-;-
7,5cm light infantry cannon: 15;-;-
15cm heavy infantry cannon: 6;-;-
15 cm heavy self propelling cannon: 5;-;7
7,5cm heavy armor crusher cannon: 19;-;9
Grenade launcher rider for rifle: No Data

2cm AA gun: 35;-;15
4 tube 2cm AA gun: 5;-;8
3,7cm AA gun:18;-;-
8,8cm AA gun:12;-;6
10,5cm light camp howitzer: 24;-;1
15cm heavy camp howitzer: 12;-;-
10cm mortar: 4;-;-

imi
10-01-2010, 05:34 AM
The report of other weapons of the 3rd Waffen SS Division "Totenkopf" 15th of january 1945
Key:Available;Operational;Needed

Commander's Panzer III. : -;-;2
Commander's Panzer IV. : -;-;3
Commander's Panther: 1;1;5
Flak Panzer IV. : -;-;8
Artillery scout Panzer III. : 1;-;-
Artillery scout Panzer IV. : 2;1;2
Ammunition supplier Panzer II. : 3;3;-
Ammunition supplier Panzer IV. : -;-;2
Pioneer Panzer III. : 1;1;1
Pioneer Panther: 6;4;-
Light armoured scout car: 6;4;-
Heavy armoured scout car: 4;3;6

Rifles&Carbines: 9581;-;376
Pistols: 3316;-;443
Submachineguns: 879;-;-
Sturmgewehr 44 automatic carbines: 15;-;585
Light machineguns: 338;-;675
Heavy machineguns: 42;-;56

8cm medium mortar: 41;-;21
12cm heavy mortar: 28;-;-
7,5cm light infantry cannon: 10;-;-
15cm heavy infantry cannon: 11;-;1
15 cm heavy self propelling cannon: -;-;-
7,5cm heavy armor crusher cannon: 14;-;14
Grenade launcher rider for rifle: No Data;-;?

2cm AA gun: 29;-;21
4 tube 2cm AA gun: 9;-;4
3,7cm AA gun: 17;-;-
8,8cm AA gun: 17;-;1
10,5cm light camp howitzer: 22;-;3
15cm heavy camp howitzer: 12;-;-
10cm mortar: 4;-;-

imi
10-01-2010, 07:34 AM
4 tube Flak from the 503. Panzer Division in the streets of Szolnok 18. Oktober 1944
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7130/50318oktober1944.jpg
Kőnigstiger 200 column(from the 2nd company) with the commander's tank(right) moving under the Castle of Budapest 1944
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7669/tiger2002ndcompanycomma.jpg
German soldiers in the Halászbástya (Fisher's Tower)
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1811/halszbstya.jpg

imi
10-01-2010, 01:58 PM
German motorized communicant walks into the reshuffled Alagút,(Tunnel)to the german headquarters december of 1944
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2641/tablo3ostrom6.jpg
German Sdkfz in the Kálvin square 1944
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6625/nemetekakalvinteren.jpg
German Krads advancing at the Halászbástya (Fisher's Tower) 1944
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/193/admkepm15132136220240sz.jpg
Knocked out Kőnigstiger somewhere in Hungary spring of 1945
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4619/kingtigerdestroyed1945.jpg
Soviet Ilyushin 2 ground destroyer planes from the Soviet 5th Air Force above Budapest 1945
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3393/soviet5thairforceilyusi.jpg
Hungarian Pak unit somewhere in Budapest
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7879/magyartuzerekvalaholafr.jpg

imi
10-03-2010, 09:21 AM
The report of other weapons of the 23rd Panzer Divison Corpses 15th of january 1945
Key:Available;Operational;Needed

Commander's Panzer III. : 1;1;-
Commander's Panzer IV. : 1;-;4
Commander's Panther: 1;-;5
Ammunition supplier Panzer IV. : 2;2;-
Pioneer Panzer III. : 1;1;1
Pioneer Panther: 6;4;-
Light armoured scout car: 10;8;-
Heavy armoured scout car: 2;2;14

Rifles&Carbines: 7646;-;126
Pistols: No Data
Submachineguns: 806;-;?
Sturmgewehr 44 automatic carbines: 216;-;?
Light machineguns: 452;-;340
Heavy machineguns: 63;-;3

8cm medium mortar: 54;-;-
12cm heavy mortar: 2;-;16
7,5cm light infantry cannon: 4;-;-
15 cm heavy infantry cannon: 4;-;-
15 cm heavy self propelling cannon: 5;-;3
7,5cm heavy armor crusher cannon: 22;-;?
Grenade launcher rider for rifle: No Data

2cm AA gun: 26;-;44
4 tube 2cm AA gun: 3;-;3
3,7cm AA gun: -;-;8
8,8cm AA gun: 6;-;6
10,5cm light camp howitzer: 12;-;1
15cm heavy camp howitzer: 9;-;-
10cm mortar: -;-;3

imi
10-03-2010, 10:07 AM
The list of the German Hungarian forces in the 3rd tank battle in Székesfehérvár from jan 18 until 15 february 1945
Key:name of the army;Commander

South Armygroup - Otto Wöhler Infantry General
Balck Armygroup - Hermann Balck The panzerteam General
German 6th Army - Hermann Balck The panzerteam General
3rd Hungarian Royal Army - József Heszlényi colonel leader
The 2nd Hungarian Royal Corpses - István Kudriczy lieutenant general
The 3rd Panzercorpses - Hermann Breith the Panzer corpses commander
IV. Waffen SS Panzercorpses - Herbert Otto Gille SS Obergruppenführer
1st Panzer Division - Eberhardt Thunert Major General
The 2nd Royal Hungarian Panzer Division - Endre Zádor Colonel
3rd Panzer Division - Wilhelm Philipps lieutenant general (until 26th of january) then Wilhelm Söth Major General
The 3rd Waffen SS Panzer Division - Helmuth Becker SS Brigadeführer
4th cavalrybrigade - Rudolf Holste Major General
5th Waffen SS Panzer Division - Karl Ullrich SS Standartenführer
The Kampfgruppe of the 6th Panzer Division - Langenbruch Captain
The 23rd PanzerDivision - Jozef von Radowitz Major General
The 25th Royal Hungarian Infantry Division - Gyula Kalkó Staff Colonel
356th Infantry Class - Kühl Colonel

imi
10-03-2010, 10:16 AM
The "Budapest" Shield
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7057/sam2581.jpg
Ferdherrnhalle Kingtiger in the Castle
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5518/kingtiger06.jpg
German Krad in the Castle behind a Schwimmwagen
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6500/69206724.jpg

imi
10-03-2010, 10:19 AM
Tiger B from the 509. 3rd company destroy a soviet M4A2 Sherman
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1639/5093szzadtigerbdestroys.jpg

imi
10-04-2010, 03:55 PM
Small kid on a unknown wrecked german tank
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6345/kidku.jpg
Childrens in a front of a knocked out Panther
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2562/kidse.jpg

flamethrowerguy
10-04-2010, 04:10 PM
Small kid on a unknown wrecked german tank
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6345/kidku.jpg

Italian Semovente assault gun if I'm not mistaking. The Germans took these over from the disarmed Italian Army and called them Sturmgeschütz M42(i) resp. M43(i) for the model with the 105mm gun.

imi
10-06-2010, 05:02 AM
thanks!

imi
03-10-2011, 04:16 PM
Here are some personal story from the enclosed city:

imi
03-10-2011, 04:50 PM
remember of a assault gunner.november of 1944

"It was dark when we already over the defense line.A small flame isn't manifest the operation.Once we feel with our legs we walk on a uneven textile material.The cloven dawn clear up the strange carpet of the ditch:dead german soldiers by way,fairly long the pit bottom."

imi
03-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Remember of a civilian. 23th of december 1944

"At the Budapest Opera has been granted the Aida.In the second act before it continues,an actor come up before the curtain wearing military uniform,and transmit to the semi-house public a greeting message from the Front Line.He represent his is very glad,becasue the public is much calm and hopeful than a few weeks before.He promise with comfortable conscience to Budapest staying hungarian,and there is no fear about our beautiful capitol"

Gulfview
03-10-2011, 06:08 PM
It's my first visit to this thread and I really like all the photos. Thanks, imi. I am also interested in the Ostrom. Best wishes, Gv.

imi
03-11-2011, 04:58 AM
Thanks hope you enjoy,and welcome to the forum!
imi

imi
03-11-2011, 05:22 AM
Remember of a flag lieutnant 24th of december 1944

"The lieutenant colonel sent me to check out the closing position of the cannons in Budakeszi.Before at the Szépjuhászné nyereg area a lieutnant is unexpectedly stop me.It's about 10:30 am.I get out from the car and he ask me:
- Where are you going?
I sad: - I going to Budakeszi
-You are not going anywhere because you are in the first front line
I sad:- What?
- Check out your back there is the troops of the german SS.
The lieutnant is ask of my two handgrenades because he hasn't got a sidearm or any weapon"

imi
03-11-2011, 11:31 AM
"A few street upper around of a german first aid location lash many shells in the same time by the russian heavy artillery.
They call the Division Of The Ferdherrnhalle Captaincy about the suspicious shooting,but the answer was: -the situation is unchanged,nothing about to worry.
No one believe the incoming hungarian medevac thesis,who hit by russian tanks a few kilometers from the western area.The german doctor called again the Captaincy who qualify a sick fantasy the thesis.
In that moment a nicked bullet bang before the building,break into shiver all the windows,and break the phone line."

imi
03-11-2011, 11:55 AM
Memoirs of a radical politician 24th of december 1944

"Until 12 pm we hear the cannons in our flat.Sometimes we hear submachineguns.
This is the most beautiful Christmas song.
May we liberated now?
I'm scared to describe.
But now I so happy because all of my family are together in Christmas even so the rascally laws.
God please help us,give to the end the domination of the evils.
Be the artillery stronger to the morning and lost this city at last."

imi
03-11-2011, 05:34 PM
Map of the movements under the siege
http://www.ww2incolor.com/hungary/8+Siege+Map_+Bp+COLOR+333.html

imi
03-12-2011, 04:13 AM
Memoirs of a civilian 25th of december 1944

"After lunch we hear clashing sounds,like when a mass is scuttle.
I look out,before the house stopped a mass of german soldier.A german officer step out and ask me where are the russians?
He ask for a glass of water and announce me Budapest is enclosed.
Then they start scuttle away to the Széchenyi mountain and when they get before the house of number 71,a sudden shoot out is starting."

imi
03-12-2011, 05:05 AM
Memoirs from a hungarian army enlistment

A first lieutnant sitting behind a table with gloomy face,wearing a bright summer uniform.Near the table some some men loitering some in uniform,some in civilian clothes.
- First Fightning Corps! - crowed the officer and wrote on a slip of paper the assigment of someone
- Where I go? - asking a scared men in a greatcoat
- Go to the Grammar School there is the site of the First Fightning Corps,and there you will dress in uniform.
Here is your status,wear with fit.
Then in the battle you prove also you love your country!
You haven't got any rating?
- No, - answer the scared civilian. - I never was in the army.
- Now you're in the army! - answer the officer
The walls are shaking under the strong detonations.
- What hapenned you get frightened?That isn't a hit,that was a blastoff if you don't know.
This is our Bofors gun from the next street,the enemy is scared if that start to tune up.
You have time to fall into this music pending our supreme victory!

imi
03-12-2011, 08:14 AM
29th of december in 1944 the soviet high command with the consent of Stalin to order to the german hungarian army to surrrender.
Pfeffer Wildenbruch strongly refuse the ultimatum,allude to Hitler order,to hold the capitol until the finals

imi
03-12-2011, 09:13 AM
The Red Army from 30th of december until 2nd of january are firing the capitol with almost 1000 heavy artillery cannons,under 7-10 hours,and the soviet planes are bombing the city in the remaining time.
The result is:1 million people is homeless,the number of the deads are unknown

Memoirs of a Captain 1st of january 1945
"In the dawn we occupy our new position in the new cemetery.
Our battery position is in the catalfalque building.
At 8:00 am spontaneously the enemy heavy artillery fire is starting,as I never seen in the hungarian fields.
The ground is shaking all area in the whole cemetery.
The mens are running out from the building and try to jump the dikes,the russian infantry is attack,but we defend our lines.
In the early afternoon a soviet tank came up at the brick factory,but the factory other side a german Tiger is hiding.
A german warrant officer is step out from the Tiger,slowly crawling on the ground and command with his hands the staff who control the Tiger turret.The Tiger shoot out the the Soviet tank with one shot.
At midnight the russians are attacking us again suddenly but they fall back.
Next morning with my 15 mens who survived,we're fall back direction to the Dreher beer factory"

imi
03-12-2011, 09:38 AM
The bombing of Budapest
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7069/bombingofbudapest.jpg
South train station
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9493/delipu.jpg
Szent György square (St George square)
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5399/stgyorgyter.jp (http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5399/stgyorgyter.jpg)
Széll Kálmán square (now called Moscow square)
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/5706/szllkalmanmoszkvater.jpg

imi
03-12-2011, 03:35 PM
The report of the IX. Waffen SS mountain corps 5th of january 1945

"The fightning for Budapest is contine with unabating swing,the enemy artillery and mortars is especially active.Both side has great losses.The absence of our ammunition supply,and the range losses are small in contempt under the strong enemy attacks.The status of the ammunition supply is so strained,we have only one day necessary ammunition.Several type of munition is run out."

imi
03-12-2011, 03:56 PM
Report of the German Hungarian Commands 14th of january 1945

"The whole day pass away under the enemy bombings.The enemy bombers are bombarding in a mass bond and the fighter planes are shooting the streets of their guns.They bring on great losses and conflagration.Our scarce artillery munition using only with budget,the fuel is run out completely,the status of our support service is very critical,the number of the injured,is catastrophic."

imi
03-12-2011, 04:46 PM
17th of january in 1945 19:25 pm
Pfeffer Wildenbruch receive the command of the evacuation of the eastern section of the capitol.

Memoirs of a colonel 17th of january 1945
"Round oaths in german and hungarian language also.
Total chaos.
We don't know exactly where we are,the mass is whirling me.The burning buildings are flooding the heat,the falling burning pieces dive into the vehicles.Infantry units is moving between the carriages.
Traffic jam after 10-20 meters.
Submachinegun rounds mixing into the horrible detonations.Motorized german military police mens are try to direct the traffic,but they fail.Low trajectory shells flying and hit around.
The injureds are suffering and shouting.
Traffic jam.Again.
There is many holes in the bridge in one is a wrecked german vehicle get nipped,the vehicle back is spear up to the sky,in the inside the passengers are dead.
We get out the on the other side of the bridge with a miracle.
The fireworks made daylight in the night."

imi
03-14-2011, 01:15 PM
Memoirs of a commander

"The commander of the german changing unit was a young Waffen SS officer.He wear a long opened cape,and a Knight's Cross and a submachine gun on his neck.He show me the outposts,then we enter a nice,modern two floor house.The german officer opened his map on a big black piano,and show us our position.We talk a few words in german.He sad he is a high school teacher.He spoke in very nice german accent.At the bottom of the mountain a german soldier corpse laying between the houses with a head shot.The corpse is warning us,soviet snipers snug in the mountains"

imi
03-14-2011, 05:05 PM
In 18th of january: the two primary bridge (Lánchid,Erzsébet hid/Chain bridge,Elisabeth bridge) is blow up by the germans
In 21st of of january: the Red Army is get across in the Duna river
25th of january in 1945
The troops of the Waffen SS and some scandinavian SS unit are recapture the bigger part of the cemetery in Farkasrét (Wolf Meadow).
They hold the 1 kilometer line about 80 person with Mg 42 machineguns and the cooperation of the undergrad students who capture some scoped rifle from the urban sport club.
The SS troops outposts are located by the undercrofts in the cemetery (the troops are drop out the coffins and bush the undercrofts with blankets inside) which become their graves many of them later.

Report of the IX. Waffen SS Gebirgsjagers

"The entered enemy troops are eliminated in unusual heavy fight,the area is marked off.
The fights keep going.
Heavy casualties on each side"

imi
03-15-2011, 07:21 AM
The hospitals and the makeshift hospitals are full,one part of the injured placed in the hungarian High Command Captaincy.

Memoirs of a officer

"With the evening report in my hands I stumbling between the ruins of the captaincy to the room of the commander.The part of the corridor has been cleared for a half meter,both side injured civilians and soldiers laying on the floor.
Someone hold of the stem of my cape.
A blonde girl with beautiful face.She's whisper to me,beggin: - bring out your sidearm,and shoot me down please
I shocked...she's lost her both legs. "

imi
03-15-2011, 03:44 PM
In the reports both the two sides complain about other:
the germans complain about the hungarians low fightning morale and the too much desertion,the hungarian army complain full default in the cooperations with the germans,pass by the operations and the requests of the hungarian army.

imi
03-16-2011, 05:49 PM
3rd of february: Angelo Rotta Nuncio of the Pope of Rome visited Pfeffer Wildenbruch SS Obergruppenführer in his HQ in Budapest,to ask the commander about the end of the fights,and to considering about the germans the civilian deaths and suffering.
The obergruppenführer is contact again the High Command Captaincy of the Wehrmacht in the the Reich the answer was:
"The order of the Führer is immutable,hold Budapest until the last man."
5th of february:the last plane is get down at the Vérmező (Blood Field)
The germans is using the field for the support planes until this day.
The last day supply list:
97 tons of ammunition
10 tons of fuel
28 tons of comestible
4 tank of storage and loose part

The victualling is worse.
Menu for the next 5 day for each soldier per day:
Fat (5 gramm)
Bread (1 slice)
Horse meat

Report of the hungarian forces:
"The Castle and the Circuit of Christina is ruined.
Anti aircraft defend is zero,the aa soldiers is joined to the infantry.
The troops are exhausted and tired."

imi
03-16-2011, 06:04 PM
The exploited Lánchid (Chain Bridge)
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5756/lanchid.jpg
The Vérmező (Blood Field) with the wrecked german support planes
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7994/vermezt.jpg

imi
03-16-2011, 06:27 PM
Hitler send almost the half of the armored divisions of the eastern front to Hungary,with the commanding of Guderian also.
About 200 tanks and armored vehicles,and 60.000 troop of the Waffen SS to help the defenders of the capitol.
The Operation name was Konrad I. and Konrad II. the operation was failed.

imi
03-17-2011, 07:38 AM
The Breakout

"The consciousness that I am alive,makes me bad dreams every day" (Helmut Wolff lieutenant colonel,one who survived)

imi
03-17-2011, 08:07 AM
Memoirs of a eyewitness

"It was 10th of february and mountains rolled in the fog,with thin snow.I feel chilly in the cold.The german officers command the wehrmacht troops who running into the offices with the reports,like a big military manoeuvre.
The troops are laying in the snow and firing to the enemy.The troops isn't care about the flying whistle bullets.One officer drop down dead,another step into his position,looks like he know,but ignore the sense:the end is here."

Pfeffer Wildenbruch intent about the breakout on this day,and the next day in the last moment he report the breakout to the High Command in his radio,in contempt of Hitler's will.

imi
03-17-2011, 08:40 AM
11th of february 1945 17:50 pm

The last radio message from the enclosed Budapest:

"1. Our comestible is out,the last bullet is loaded.The defenders of Budapest have to choose the capitulation or the massacre without fight.We search a new support base with the last german units who can fight and soldiers from the hungarian army.
2. After dark in 11th of february,I order the breakout. Please give a check around Szomor.
3. Semaphore: green twice = proper forces. Password: Hindenburg-Hitler
4. Forces:germans 23.900 (injured 9600);hungarians 20.000 (injured 2000);civilians 80-100.000

After the message the staff blasted the radio,to nobody can turn back the operation.

imi
03-19-2011, 04:56 PM
11th of february 1945 20:00 pm
The first wave make a move.
First step:In the right side the XIII. Armoured Division,on the left side 8th Florian Geyer Waffen SS cavalry
Second step:22. Maria Theresia Waffen SS cavalry and the Ferdherrnhalle Panzergrenadier Division with the hungarian army
Third step:Injureds and staff,civilians
The first wave infantry is standing in groups,every group has 30 person,and every group has a hungarian soldier who know the best way to get out from the city.
The first wave got 8-12 different vehicles,Tigers and motorized and armored SS columns.
(In the last moment Waffen SS Obergruppenführer Wildenbruch is choose another way to get out with Dörner Waffen SS Oberführer and with 500 Waffen SS policemen.)

Memoirs of a soldier at the first wave

"Suddenly soldiers running from every way on the road.Another grenade blast.Everybody get down in the dark and hiding at the entrance of the nearest buildings.The peoples hustle kicking each other like animals.
Now we're rushing on the opened square under the firing machineguns and submachineguns and blasting grenades,fire everywhere.There is no time to think.In a front of me a wrecked firing tank,and a soviet cannon which shoot into the running mass again and again.
Every hit bullseye.
Corpse mountains everywhere"

The russians start to playing from their speakers the well known song hit: "You can't escape..."

imi
03-19-2011, 05:34 PM
The map of the breakout
http://oi54.tinypic.com/14d3o0j.jpg
(Red:Soviet forces,Blue German Hungarian forces)
Katalin Karády - You can't escape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exs98nxeDs)

imi
03-19-2011, 06:06 PM
Memoirs from a medic at the second wave

"In every doorway injureds laying.
Moaning,profane words,praying:
"Kamerad please shoot me down please...you isn't have heart?!?The pistol is right here on the ground.Please shoot me down.I don't do the stuff,both of my hands are break away..."

imi
03-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Memoirs of a soldier from the second wave

"Relatively quiet.I hear only the jarring of the burning vehicles and the injureds soft voices.Injured german soldiers laying on the grounds and ask for cigarettes to abate they suffering.They tell me,the breakout of them are failed and they seen many dead."

Memoirs of a officer from the first wave

"There is many dead on the road and the sidewalk.My soldiers isn't move any further now.
We're going into a yard,of a house.
By misadventure,a few officer coming in a few minutes later.
I injured and I have strong pains.
A german first lieutnant medic is coming,and set up my wound.
Injured SS officer lurch into the yard:
- "they hit me,I finish this off."
- "Where are you come from?" - I ask him.
- 'The side street from the left.The russians close all way down,my 30 mens are falled or injured."
He commit suicide with his sidearm."

imi
03-20-2011, 08:36 AM
Meanwhile Wildenbruch SS obergruppenführer is on his way with Dörner SS Oberführer,and the 500 Waffen SS policemen and some hungarian units who protect the obergruppenführer,under the underground canal,called "Devils Ditch" (Ördög Árok)

Memoirs of a soldier from the Wildenbruch group

"I've receive a complete spare rib,2 kg of sugar,2 bread,rice,salami,butter,and a gourd of snifter.We're moving under the lights of signal rockets,artillery fire,and blasting mines to the entrance of the canal.The canal entrance is about 1 meter wide,and the canal is 3x3 meter circle round,and 40 cm deep.Fortunately we have some candle to make some light in the canal or else we lost in this dark underground.Sometimes we moving under the openings,we can hear the embittered fightning noises from the top.I don't think the mountainers are moving slower than we are."

The mass is pad up the water in the canal,the backpacks are getting heavy,many soldier drop of his backpack into the water,and someones bored from the stumbling and get out from the canal.

Memoirs from a soldier from the Wildenbruch group

"The drift of the water is bring different things:fightning gear,helmets,gourd,handgrenade,panzerfaust and a female corpse.I don't know the woman how get into here but she looks like from the upper ten:around 40,blonde,crummy,fur coat,silkstockings with bright high heeled shoes.She hold her reticule fitful with his hands."

imi
03-20-2011, 09:03 AM
At daybreak Dörner Waffen SS oberführer who is the leader of the escaping group,are out from the canal but they must turn back because the russians discover the moving group and make strong artillery fire on the exit side.
Obergruppenführer Wildenbruch is come away from the escaping group and choose another way and get out from the canals with 10-15 Waffen SS soldier,getaway and hide in a high class house in Budakeszi.
Dörner SS oberführer staying in the canals and killed in action.

The russians discover the obergruppenführer and his staff in the forenoons.
After a short battle around the house,the russians set up a 45mm cannon in front of the house and send into the house a civilian who speak german,to surrender the Waffen SS commander.

The answer was accept if:
1. The russians isn't kill someone
2. At least a major ranked officer taken the commander and his group to being a POW
3. A major of the Red Army write a paper from this action

The russians accept the german appeal and the commander of Budapest taken be a Prisoner Of War.

imi
03-20-2011, 09:31 AM
Helmut Dörner (right)
Waffen SS oberführer,leader of a Kampfgruppe in the 4. SS-Polizei-Panzergrenadier-Division
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/47672-6/helmutd__rnerhungary

imi
03-21-2011, 11:20 AM
Memoirs of a soldier from the canals of the Devils Ditch
"The commanders and the officers are fade out.Where they going? No one knows.
Just us in the canal and a few hundred desperate german soldier.
The exit on the top of the ladder was a death trap,soviet snipers watching the caps of the canal,many dead laying around the opening beyond us,who try to get out.The german soldiers try to crawl in a small tunnel.When around 100 german vanished into the tunnel,the water spilling out.
Suddenly gruesome howling,and the germans turn back from the small tunnel completely drenched.The reason is to the runaway,the germans saw a small light on the other side of the tunnel,and they think that was a light of a russian flamethower.The german soldiers disappearing in a few seconds from the place."

The stress slowly overcome on the germans,many of them even more choosing suicide,like 26 SS soldier in a garden of a house,at the downtown.

imi
03-21-2011, 12:28 PM
The closed escaping units is break up in the city to a lot of bigger group.Many breach spring up on the Soviet circle,a few escaping group get across the Soviet lines.

Memoirs from a officer from the Billnitzer group
"With gaffer Bill (Billnitzer lieutenant general) we set forth to the mountains.The snow was 20 cm deep somewhere,fog sit down between the valleys.We're enter a woody area the fog getting stronger.Seven impassive and whiskery SS troop with submachine guns lead the unforesseable mass behind us civilians,soldiers,kids,womans injureds on carts trod the snow."

imi
03-21-2011, 01:24 PM
Remembering of a civilian
"Around 02:00 am we're get on a highway,there we seen many abandoned cart,cars,cannons and horses.The trucks pack up with ammunition.We seen many executed civilians at multifarious truck column.We're get to a pile,there is many german soldier rest and the remains of the Winter group:8 undergrad student.Now at least 600 person in the group.
After a short appointment we head on the woody area in the deep snow.
At daybreak the russians firing us from the houses with machineguns and mortars at the mountains.
The group is move along two soviet Sturmovik fighter plane come up and shoot along the mass.
Many dead and injured also a german major general,and a major also.
After dark around 6:00 pm the group stopped if someone have food that eat it.
At midnight we arrived to a extermination area,we try to sleep near the pile of the cutted lumbers.
We haven't got blankets the strong sleet leach our clothes what getting frozen,after a two hour rest we must to set out."

A few german supply plane drop down some foodstuff and supply in tanks to help the escaping groups,but only one or two arrived to own lines.

imi
03-21-2011, 01:34 PM
Memoirs of a civilian
"The group move along with suffering.We spot some bread supply carts.The mass is going mad and start fight for the breads.
Horrible scenery: two own group shoot each other with pistols.
Some wilder clear off from the carts loading with breads,injureds and deads laying at the empty carts and mute horses."

imi
03-21-2011, 03:54 PM
Memoirs of a soldier from the Flügel group
"The germans who move along before us rashly stoped,we move on to see what's happened:
Flügel obersturmbannführer laying on the snow and shouting:enough from this insanity,he won't take another step,anything is useless etc.His mens just staying around him..."

imi
03-21-2011, 04:08 PM
Memoirs of a soldier from the Wolff group
"Once at the front of the group hasty shooting starting,a lieutenant and a few machinegunner go forth,meanwhile the whole mass turning back from the front.A few brave guy going to the front into the fog.We hear the sound of our Mg42 during the russian machinegun rounds,but a few grenades blast making quiet.After all we can go back to the front."

imi
03-21-2011, 04:17 PM
13rd of february 1945

The german lines hits only the Helmut Wolff group around 700 person from the whole 144000 german hungarian army and civilians who try to breakout from the enclosed Budapest.(video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl3PkUex7Wo)

imi
03-22-2011, 06:47 AM
Images
South Buda (http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/2018/dlbuda.jpg)
Nádor József university of technologic (http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/82/jzsefndormszakiegyetem.jpg)
Waffen SS soldier with panzerfaust around civilians at the downtown of Budapest (http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4491/bundesarchivbild1461969.jpg)
Soviet marine at the Grand Hotel (http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/461/marinesnagyszll.jpg)
Otto Skorzeny in the Castle of Buda (http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5101/bundesarchivbild101i680.jpg)
The Schmidt castle (http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/9219/schmidtkastly.jpg)
Statue of St. Gellért (http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/9794/szentgellrtszobor.jpg)

imi
03-23-2011, 06:13 PM
Images
German graves in the city (http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7393/sirm.jpg)
Jilted panzerfausts in the foxhole (http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9697/ostrom10.jpg)

imi
03-24-2011, 07:21 AM
Chronology

1. 11st of february 1945 20:00 pm The breakout starting under heavy enemy artillery,air and overland strike
2. 11st of february 1945 21:00 - 23:00 pm Gerhard Schmidhuber Wehrmacht major general is killed in action under the starting of the breakout
3. 11st of february 1945 Dörner and Wildenbruch is trying to escape the canals of the Devils Ditch.
(In 12nd of february morning Dörner killed in action in the canals,Wildenruch hiding and captured by the russians the forenoons in a high class house)
4. 12nd of february 1945 Flügel obersturmbannführer get nervous breakdown in the woods at the mountains near Budapest under escaping
5. 12nd of february 1945 Billnitzer hungarian lieutenant general and his group captured by russian forces
6. 13rd of february 1945 Wolff oberstleutnant and his group arriving to the german lines

imi
03-24-2011, 07:43 AM
Gerhard Schmidhuber (9 April 1894 – 11 February 1945 in the battle of Budapest) German major general.

He was also a recipient of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves. The Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross and its higher grade Oak Leaves was awarded to recognise extreme battlefield bravery or successful military leadership.
Born in Dresden in the Kingdom of Saxony, Schmidhuber was commanding officer of the Wehrmacht Heer's 13th Panzer Division during World War II. When the Germans occupied Hungary in 1944, Schmidhuber was supreme commander of German army forces in that country.
Schmidhuber send a truck of german troops to a secondary school and save the jews from the arrow cross soldiers.
In that capacity, he had extensive dealings with the Swedish diplomat Raoul Wallenberg and prevented the liquidation of the Jewish ghetto in the face of the advancing Red Army.(he never get any posthumus award for his action from any nation)
Schmidhuber was have nightfall blindness,he get a death hit in 21 - 23 pm under the breakout of Budapest.
His corpse dropped to a foxhole mass grave after the breakout in the downtown of Budapest.

Gulfview
03-27-2011, 12:53 PM
Imi,

Glad to see that you have posted my little map creation about the progression of the siege.
Udvozol,
Gv

Gulfview
03-27-2011, 01:21 PM
Great Karady song -- and it says it all for poor Hungary: "It's useless to run, it's useless to flee, fate awaits you eternally...." or something like that. Thanks for posting it, imi.

Gulfview
03-27-2011, 01:30 PM
Good job, imi, you have done a lot of hard work. Many thanks to you -- sok koszonet!!!

imi
03-28-2011, 01:49 AM
you're welcome Gulfview any time.the storys continue I only rest a while!
bye
imi

imi
04-07-2011, 06:45 PM
Return to the exhausted Capitol

About 5000 person staying in the Castle.
Mostly injureds and hungarian military squads who don't see the point of the breakout.

Memoirs of a eyewitness
"Total chaos dominate in the castle.The claustrophobia from the long weeks under the siege come close the peoples to the dementia.Hardship,the destitution and the fears about the future.Many of them crying and think dread about tomorrow.The injureds notice their attendants are gone and get into panic.Continuous clapping pistol shots in every corner in the enormous underground hospital.No one want to be a russian POW in injured status."

A small group 2 doctors, 2 officers and 8 warrant officer try to hold up the evolved situation in the topmost places,try to attend the injureds and collect the weapons from the injureds.

Memoirs of a Doctor
"About 8 am I'm getting started to a hand amputation.Someone report me the first russians are here.Suddenly a soviet submachine gunner standing in the operating room.I feel great relief and I try not to deal with him,we haven't got any incident."

imi
04-08-2011, 03:25 PM
Memoirs of a medical flag lieutnant

"Before the breakout I classed to the german military hospital.At the south side a dark gaping hole was the entrance to the underground levels of the Castle.Thin and tired looking german doctor coming with two military medical assistant.Now his primary objective,deliver of the corpses,no other treatment.We divided to three group,and get the charge analyze the injureds how many attendace is necessery on each level.
I'm going down to the deep second floor.
We're moving forward slowly,just a few candle twinkle.The air is dense and smothery: blood,rotting,excrement,urine,exudation,cigarette smoke and gunpowder mixed to a consistent reek.
The reek is infest to the corridors and awful.
The flashlights is cut images from the gloom: on the corridor both side the injureds laying on the wood pallets and the floor,mostly in uniform with belts maybe the holsters isn't empty and may we found some handgrenades in the pockets too.
Groanings,sighs,inarticulate german plaints,praying and cursing.The poems of Dante is so sterile from this hell."

"Now we enter the last third floor down: there is the class of the head shooted wounds,blinds and the lames.
On the floor two or three person laying,their facelines is calm,mute and moveless.
We found some hungarian soldier also.A few painkiller is for a few men,to say goodbye."

imi
04-09-2011, 05:31 PM
The morgue is at the bottom catacombs and in a out of order kitchen,every room full with the corpses.
The military hospital is burst into flames,several time.
Perhaps the smoking injureds gave the fire.
At 18th of february the upper level flare up again.

Memoirs of a medical officer

"The fire is coming from the side wing,from the ammo storage under our hospital.The curtains,the inlays on the wall,and the pallets of the injured is feeding fast the fire.The light of the flames is blinded us,the ammunition and the grenades is blasting and the injured screaming in the midst of the raspy blazes.A 2 meter wide corridor is the only exit from the upper level.We haven't got time to save everyone.We drag out around 100 injured,but many of them frozen at outside in the snow.We hasn't got too much choice..."

"After the fire we searching for survivors in the catacombs.The room is separate with a big iron door from the corridor.A few men try to open the heavy door from the outside: we enter a reeking,obnoxious room,the room is full with sorely injured german and hungarian officers.The peoples are strip off and perfuse the hot walls with their piddle."

The fire has 300 - 800 victim

(After the breakout,a few times russian soldiers burning alive many injured at the hospital for fun.)

imi
04-13-2011, 05:48 PM
12 of february 1945

Memoirs of a civil servant
"At the morning queer quiet sit under the town.Sometimes hear single shots,submachinegun bursts.The fights continues already at the nearest mountains around the capitol.In the streets only a few roaming animals,and some crazed starving soldier who search a hideout.The soviets are evacuate the inner districts all executive break off a few hour.
I make a move into the downtown.
Along the way I saw a knocked out tank,ruined buildings abandoned ammo carts and corpses everywhere.
No one on the streets.
I going into the charge to see my office,everything is ruined in the office also.
I move out from the building and get going to the direction of the Hall Of The Ministry.
A man coming from the end of the main street with turned down head:the under secretary of the ministry
- Please leave me alone... and he moving further
The beautiful baroque style building is ruined also.
I'm going in:I saw the remaining of the Royal Carts,and two dead horse and a corpse in the stable.
Time to get home
At the Edelsheim gate someone standing at the doorway in the twillight.I scared, turn back and choose another way.
When I get to the hospital I see two unarmed german soldier coming out from the gate.
They saw me and start to run away."

imi
04-14-2011, 12:46 AM
Memoirs of a undergrad student

"In the morning I step in to the boarding school with a greeting:
- We're liberated hurrah!
But silence and dark looks welcome me.At the midnight the soviets rape 10-15 student at the air raid shelter,then send the girls for a three day penal servitude.
- "The war is over" I tought as much and I going to see my father and my sister.
I heard news some germans still in the Castle,accordingly I avoid the area.
I turned around to a street suddenly firefight start.
I going in a high class house and found three young man who wants to join that way.
A little bit later we get going without shooting.
We don't see anybody on the streets,just corpses.
At the cartography institution we found about 20 german and hungarian troop corpses in one pile,and in a big burned down parlol we saw more dead soldier.
The view look like very oppressive,like in the Bergman film soldiers on the surface of the sea.
I separate with my casual friends,and move along alone,to one of my classmate.
No one on the streets.
I get into the building and open the front door:I suddenly shocked
10-15 high standing german officer in one group inside the court.
Their uniform was a little bit rusty but the red line on their trousers and the gold epaulettes is show exquisite difference the previously seen troops corpses in greycoat.
I start to mumble but it seems they also get frightened of my turnout.
I think they waiting for to capture someone them and they isn't look like in world conquer mood.
- Als Zivil, können Sie sicherlich gehen - sad one of them,and I walk out from the courtyard.
I going in to the boarding school,someone tell me the russians promulgate curfew from half past two because the clean up is starting,the soviets is rake up the german and hungarian soldiers who disperse under the breakout."

imi
04-14-2011, 09:29 PM
Memoirs of a civilian
"At 17th of january about 10 pm a few SS troops break in our air raid shelter from the by pass passages.They announce us the whole company is coming about one hour in,then they break the other exit,and gone.
About one hour isn't the SS only a squad of Red Army soldier is coming.
The janitor tell the soviets about the SS troops,and the soldiers is hide in the next room behind the water tanks and wait for the germans.
About midnight the SS troops is arrived.
The soviets let in only 5-6,then start to firing them with their sub machineguns.
Blissfully they saw in the twillight the incoming SS soldier with the panzerfaust and hit him first so he isn't fire off the panzerfaust.
Either SS is drop a handgrenade between the russians and that's made big trouble the water tanks is blow up,and the water is overflow the rooms.
We stand up our boxes what we use to bed.
About 1:00 am the Red Army soldiers is whip us into the streets.
The SS who hit first is still rattle when we pass him,his pazerfaust is put into the corner of the exploded water tanks.
Up at the streets was terribly cold,the corpse mountains hasn't got any smell."

imi
04-14-2011, 09:54 PM
Memoirs of a civilian

"Rashly the mass is stop by the russian soldiers,and we don't know what's happened.
A german coming alone down from the street in frazzled uniform,unarmed and with opened mantle his iron cross is clearly distinct.
The three russian guard is start to discuss.
The soldier is getting closer,and one of our guard is deflect the soldier to the abandoned street car railways into the snow.
When the german is get the railways the russian is hit him at his nape.
I think if the russian isn't saw the iron cross,that man is have escape..."

imi
04-15-2011, 03:16 PM
Report of a private detective

The behavior of the Red Army is the following after the arrival

- The soldiers is usually in drunken status
- The soldiers usually rape every woman
- The soldiers steal everything
(from the paintings,money,gold,clothes to the cover of the bed.Mostly interested in shiny things,and they very like the alarm clocks,and robbing from the civilians their tickers but don't know how to read the time)
- The soldiers isn't respect their officers,usually resist the commands
- The soldiers like and feeding the kids in sensible status (many woman saved her crying children from the raping)
- The soldiers sometimes barbarous with the civilians
- The soldiers always barbarous with their russians who switch into the enemy (usually beat them hard,in serious situations cut them with swords and execute)
- The soldiers isn't respect the spiritual they broke and move into the church
(cut everything into pieces,steal the gold crosses and other gold things,drink from the mass cup)
- The soldiers searching for the members of the Waffen SS and the german injured in the hospital and execute them usually.
(in a playing fields the russians dig their own graves a squad of Waffen SS soldier and execute them.Drop grenades to the rooms in the hospital between the injured,or overrun the injured with their tanks,burning alive,shoot down the injured or chop up with axes,and the heads put into the terrace of the Citadell)
- Sometimes permissive with the enemy troops,occurent thing some russian soldier drop to a hungarian mantle to a german Waffen SS*
(*in the soviet pow camps the russians separate the members of the SS who have blood group tattoo,immediatly executed)

The germans is also shoot down the civilians for their animals if them exclaim.
The germans sometimes execute the russian pows,and also chop up the injured with axes under the siege.

Fritz Vogel officer of the Waffen SS is hide in a boarding school cover himself as a deaf and mute student.After the war he get going to Wien in foot,and send many packages for their rescuer to the school under many years.

imi
04-15-2011, 10:28 PM
SS blood group tattoos (German: Blutgruppentätowierung)
AB (http://oi56.tinypic.com/m8ebg2.jpg)
A (http://oi52.tinypic.com/2j4o909.jpg)
O (http://oi53.tinypic.com/5mljxl.jpg)

Gulfview
04-19-2011, 07:29 PM
Really sad, sad information about the Ostrom. Thanks, imi.

imi
04-23-2011, 11:58 AM
The lost side isn't have usually too happy stories :)
the good question is what's autocracy is better?

imi
04-03-2012, 07:04 AM
German - Hungarian archives from the city siege and the fights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQHOMEMqlZI

flamethrowerguy
04-03-2012, 07:27 AM
Nice to see the "Püppchen" rocket launcher in action at 1:27.

leccy
04-03-2012, 10:21 AM
Looked like a Stielgranate 41 being fired from a Pak 36 just before it as well.

Gulfview
04-03-2012, 11:42 AM
Thanks for the video, imi.

Centurion
04-04-2012, 06:05 PM
Gee the Soviets got away with the worst atrocities after the war. Disgusting.

imi
04-05-2012, 02:22 AM
the Soviets got away with the worst atrocities after the war.

The Russian anger was understandable in partway, because the germans do horrific things sometimes in the occupied russian lands.
In the POW camps, they search for the members of the Waffen SS from their blood group tattoo and execute them all
The problem is the russians do their revenge on every country on civilians also, and they got away with without penalty
I have a very clever phrase, I think this is fit here :

"Always the winners write the history"

imi
04-05-2012, 02:34 AM
Gulfview!
I have the map of Budapest from 1941
This map contain the old street names for the easier identify of the places
I think you appreciate this!
http://oi41.tinypic.com/34qpunm.jpg

schweinehund
05-12-2012, 11:20 PM
Sorry, I have to post 5 comments, to be allowed to send what I want, so... 5...

tankgeezer
05-12-2012, 11:40 PM
Sorry, I have to post 5 comments, to be allowed to send what I want, so... 5...

Hi new guy, just so you know, posting a number in order to increase your count is considered spamming.(not to mention wasting space on the boards) Please refrain from the practice.

schweinehund
05-12-2012, 11:44 PM
Hi,

yes I know what I am doing...

I would like to send my own pics, linked on postimage, but the system does not allow me to post my comment until I do not have five posts...

This is insane... :P

tankgeezer
05-12-2012, 11:49 PM
Hi,

yes I know what I am doing...

I would like to send my own pics, linked on postimage, but the system does not allow me to post my comment until I do not have five posts...

This is insane... :P
Then make proper posts that follow the subject of whichever thread you post to. They do not have to be in the same thread. Then you may post appropriate links, and not have any trouble. These are the same rules everyone else has to follow. I'm not trying to make your day difficult, just applying the rules of the forum.

schweinehund
05-12-2012, 11:53 PM
Ok, I will send pics of the Buda hill theater , including the main Luftschutz bunkers, graves, the site where von Wildenbruch had been captured, etc

schweinehund
05-12-2012, 11:55 PM
But I need 1 more post to send..

schweinehund
05-12-2012, 11:56 PM
After a coffee and a cig...

schweinehund
05-13-2012, 12:00 AM
Greetings,

I am a novice on the site, also from Hungary.
I am researching mainly the Buda Hills, but I often visit other legendary theaters and battlefields in Hungary.

In the first round allow me to introduce you the recent situation of the main Luftschutz bunkers of Hármashatár-hegy, a few remainig graves of unknown soldiers and you can find the Akadémia's main entrance, where von Wildenbruch had been captured at the sewer entrance.

http://s17.postimage.org/wilbueu8r/20120425361.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/wilbueu8r/)

http://s17.postimage.org/mmk8urogr/20120417352.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/mmk8urogr/)

http://s17.postimage.org/7rvnglevv/20120417353.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/7rvnglevv/)

http://s17.postimage.org/sdf0m8luj/20120417354.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/sdf0m8luj/)

http://s17.postimage.org/ygwl65c4b/20120417355.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/ygwl65c4b/)

http://s17.postimage.org/n5txhs597/20120417356.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/n5txhs597/)

http://s17.postimage.org/420m1fsez/20120316324.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/420m1fsez/)

http://s17.postimage.org/za96yri57/20120327340.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/za96yri57/)

http://s17.postimage.org/talfv3xcr/20120317331.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/talfv3xcr/)

http://s17.postimage.org/4vd7u1yfv/20120327343.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/4vd7u1yfv/)

http://s17.postimage.org/59ejtnijf/20120327344.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/59ejtnijf/)

http://s17.postimage.org/bbm6k56zf/20120316323.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/bbm6k56zf/)

All the bests,

Adam

Chevan
05-13-2012, 12:47 PM
Oh what a thread i missed:)

Report of a private detective

The behavior of the Red Army is the following after the arrival

- The soldiers is usually in drunken status
- The soldiers usually rape every woman
- The soldiers steal everything
(from the paintings,money,gold,clothes to the cover of the bed.Mostly interested in shiny things,and they very like the alarm clocks,and robbing from the civilians their tickers but don't know how to read the time)
- The soldiers isn't respect their officers,usually resist the commands
- The soldiers like and feeding the kids in sensible status (many woman saved her crying children from the raping)
- The soldiers sometimes barbarous with the civilians
- The soldiers always barbarous with their russians who switch into the enemy (usually beat them hard,in serious situations cut them with swords and execute)

-The soldiers were almost totally illeterated.:
All this is true.
I just wonder how this wild horde of practically uncontrollable sexual maniacs and all-time drunk thiefs , that one mistakaly names as "Red Army" could destroy the highly disciplined and professional Axis coalition forces??!! This is sort of mystery for me.Especially if to keep in mind the soldiers had a practice fought quite separately of officer corp and even resisted to realize any commands.
Actually imi, don't you see some sort of contradiction here?

Chevan
05-13-2012, 12:51 PM
"Always the winners write the history"
What do you hint on?
The Soviets writes the distorted "winning history" alone or in company with their anglo-saxon allies?

pdf27
05-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Oh what a thread i missed:)-The soldiers were almost totally illeterated.:All this is true. I just wonder how this wild horde of practically uncontrollable sexual maniacs and all-time drunk thiefs , that one mistakaly names as "Red Army" could destroy the highly disciplined and professional Axis coalition forces??!! This is sort of mystery for me.Especially if to keep in mind the soldiers had a practice fought quite separately of officer corp and even resisted to realize any commands.Actually imi, don't you see some sort of contradiction here?One possible explanation - a significant number of accounts state that the front-line Soviet troops behaved very well towards civilians, and that rear-area troops often behaved appallingly. This is flawed, like all generalisations, but could possibly explain the contradiction.

Egorka
05-13-2012, 04:47 PM
One possible explanation - a significant number of accounts state that the front-line Soviet troops behaved very well towards civilians, and that rear-area troops often behaved appallingly. yes, I have heard it many times. There is something there that doesn't click though.
F.ex allegedly the Soviet atrocities on German soil begun immidiately after entering (remember Nemmersdorf case). So that is front-line troops.
Also numerous (largerly unsupported) statements that the captured towns/places were given for free pillage for a number of days. 1 to 3 days periods were claimed.
Well, depending on the period and local situation this also normally implies fron-line troups.
So it looks like wherever you look RKKA was raping left and rigth. Even women in RKKA were raping Hungarian men, if know the story.

Chevan
05-14-2012, 12:14 AM
One possible explanation - a significant number of accounts state that the front-line Soviet troops behaved very well towards civilians, and that rear-area troops often behaved appallingly. This is flawed, like all generalisations, but could possibly explain the contradiction.
What is the "rear-area troops" by your mind?does It imply the existence the two quite different sort of armies? The REAL rear-area troops in red army were NKVD units who were responsible for order in occuped territories.But the troops , implying in a so called "report" ARE the ordinary troops who entered the any occuped city and stayed there for the certain period. Say the armies of "1-sr belorussian front of Zhukov" that captured Berlin , later stayed there untill the mid of summer till the most begining of soviet war in far east. There were no rear-troops. It were the same troops who fought with germans before.
But maybe someone think the rear-troops were the supplied units in back of front?Every army has an special units responsible for food and ammo suplies , operated purely in rear.But the number of those troops were quite tiny compared to the fighting units- obviously they can't be responsible for all the crimes commited on territories occuped by regular army.So the explanation still not so clear for me.

Chevan
05-14-2012, 12:34 AM
F.ex allegedly the Soviet atrocities on German soil begun immidiately after entering (remember Nemmersdorf case). So that is front-line troops.
Also numerous (largerly unsupported) statements that the captured towns/places were given for free pillage for a number of days. 1 to 3 days periods were claimed.
Well, depending on the period and local situation this also normally implies fron-line troups.

Hello mate. I'm glad you've back.
that's what i'm talking about. The short time of 1-3 days since the beginning of occupation ( i.e. end of combat) can't imply the full replacement of troops. So the troops definitelly were the same. You can't move entire army out of city within such a time.


So it looks like wherever you look RKKA was raping left and rigth. Even women in RKKA were raping Hungarian men, if know the story.
No i dont know a story. Tell us please:)

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 01:09 AM
Greetings Gents,

According to witness reports (I made several interviews due my researches) the Russians were entering any areas in two waves. The first -they were the fighting units- was in a rush, chasing the retreating German and supporting forces and those soldiers were "correct", they usually warned the civils to hide the values, the women, etc, because the 2nd wave, the drunk looters will arrive soon. These were habiting like the Orc hordes.
We do not have to forget the Comissars, who were behind both lines: behind the first attacking lines they simply shot their own soldiers who were turning back and in the 2nd wave they "forced" the soldiers for 2-3 days free looting, raping and other barbarian activities.
There was strong propaganda behind these things: they were told to do it as a revenge for what the Germans and komerades did in Russia and Ukraine, etc. The truth was that for example in case of Ukraine the Russians slayed down whole villages for supporting the invaders (Stalin starved to death millions because they said no for joining the Soviet Union...), they made photos and officially said to the soldiers that the Germans and so did it.

Egorka
05-14-2012, 02:13 AM
Greetings Gents,

According to witness reports (I made several interviews due my researches) the Russians were entering any areas in two waves. The first -they were the fighting units- was in a rush, chasing the retreating German and supporting forces and those soldiers were "correct", they usually warned the civils to hide the values, the women, etc, because the 2nd wave, the drunk looters will arrive soon. These were habiting like the Orc hordes.
We do not have to forget the Comissars, who were behind both lines: behind the first attacking lines they simply shot their own soldiers who were turning back and in the 2nd wave they "forced" the soldiers for 2-3 days free looting, raping and other barbarian activities.
There was strong propaganda behind these things: they were told to do it as a revenge for what the Germans and komerades did in Russia and Ukraine, etc. The truth was that for example in case of Ukraine the Russians slayed down whole villages for supporting the invaders (Stalin starved to death millions because they said no for joining the Soviet Union...), they made photos and officially said to the soldiers that the Germans and so did it.
Ohh, for God's sake! Not again!!!

Egorka
05-14-2012, 02:21 AM
Hello mate. I'm glad you've back.
that's what i'm talking about. The short time of 1-3 days since the beginning of occupation ( i.e. end of combat) can't imply the full replacement of troops. So the troops definitelly were the same. You can't move entire army out of city within such a time.
I salyte you, Andrey!!! :)
The aforementioned could happen during the offensives when troups woupd swiftly move across. So it could be that on the 2nd or 3rd day the second echelon or rear areas troups moved in.


No i dont know a story. Tell us please:)
Oh, it is part of the known SWISS LEGATION REPORT OF THE RUSSIAN INVASION OF HUNGARY IN THE SPRING OF 1945.
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/montgo/montgo21.htm
"Cases have been reported where Russian women serving in the Red army or in the Russian police force have been guilty of rape. Men have been beaten up by such women for not having submitted themselves to their wishes."

Chevan
05-14-2012, 03:09 AM
We do not have to forget the Comissars, who were behind both lines: behind the first attacking lines they simply shot their own soldiers who were turning back and in the 2nd wave they "forced" the soldiers for 2-3 days free looting, raping and other barbarian activities.

Jew-comissars , forced the soldiers to rape and kill , might be astrong argument for ww2-era axis civils to dislike the red army.But still not quite clear why the soldiers of first-line should turn back , knowing that the the after the battle they will allowed to enjoy the sex and vodka as much as they dream. Seems the red army soldiers , if to believe to testimonies, should eagered to fight for enemy females and booty faster then their commisars run behind them.

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 03:27 AM
Hi Chevan,

"But still not quite clear why the soldiers of first-line should turn back"
According also to witness reports there were masses of these first line warriors withour guns. They were told "Go and pick up the rifle of a fallen one!" If they turned back they were machinegunned to death. These un-armed soldiers were punished this way for political reasons, sabotage, etc.
As far as I remember they got their 0,5 liter vodka before the attack.

Egorka
05-14-2012, 03:30 AM
Hi Chevan,

"But still not quite clear why the soldiers of first-line should turn back"
According also to witness reports there were masses of these first line warriors withour guns. They were told "Go and pick up the rifle of a fallen one!" If they turned back they were machinegunned to death.
As far as I remember they got their 0,5 liter vodka before the attack.Stop it! If you keep doing it I will be fired from my job for laughing loudly and disturbing the office... Have mercy!

Egorka
05-14-2012, 03:35 AM
Seems the red army soldiers , if to believe to testimonies, should eagered to fight for enemy females and booty faster then their commisars run behind them.
But don't forget that all Soviet Commisars were world champions in both sprint and marathon running. So they could easily outrun any front-line soldier. In fact some Commissars had to fill their pockets with stones (obviously stolen from the foreign soil) in order to slow them self down. Otherwise they would out run the front-line.
So I see no contradiction here what so ever!!!

Egorka
05-14-2012, 03:55 AM
@imi,

You have quoted lots of accounts and statements.
Unfortunately none of them are referenced! How come?
Or did I miss something?

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 04:02 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtrafbat

Chevan
05-14-2012, 04:06 AM
I salyte you, Andrey!!! :)
The aforementioned could happen during the offensives when troups woupd swiftly move across. So it could be that on the 2nd or 3rd day the second echelon or rear areas troups moved in.

Yes but the so second echelon is just an reinforcement of first one in this case.The advancing army had ( if it was possible) the reserve who operatively joined the battle during the offencive. There never were the separate echelons\waves who just resting and enjoing behind the vanguard.


Oh, it is part of the known SWISS LEGATION REPORT OF THE RUSSIAN INVASION OF HUNGARY IN THE SPRING OF 1945.
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/montgo/montgo21.htm
"Cases have been reported where Russian women serving in the Red army or in the Russian police force have been guilty of rape. Men have been beaten up by such women for not having submitted themselves to their wishes."
Damn, the man didn't wish to make a pleasure for Russian nurse or politic commisar? How he dared:)

Chevan
05-14-2012, 04:18 AM
Hi Chevan,

"But still not quite clear why the soldiers of first-line should turn back"
According also to witness reports there were masses of these first line warriors withour guns. They were told "Go and pick up the rifle of a fallen one!" If they turned back they were machinegunned to death. These un-armed soldiers were punished this way for political reasons, sabotage, etc.
As far as I remember they got their 0,5 liter vodka before the attack.
Have you ever tryed to drink the 0,5 littre of vodka at one time, sir?

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 04:23 AM
Not vodka, but I did try it with whisky once, Sir... ;]

Anyway I was not saying that they drunk it in one, they just got that - the dosage was up to them.

Chevan
05-14-2012, 04:23 AM
But don't forget that all Soviet Commisars were world champions in both sprint and marathon running. So they could easily outrun any front-line soldier. In fact some Commissars had to fill their pockets with stones (obviously stolen from the foreign soil) in order to slow them self down. Otherwise they would out run the front-line.
So I see no contradiction here what so ever!!!

No contraductions here. No need to be a champ in anything to catch a drunkard after 0,5 litters of vodka.

Chevan
05-14-2012, 04:26 AM
Not vodka, but I did try it with whisky once, Sir... ;]

How did you feel?Wished to rape somebody or steal anything?


Anyway I was not saying that they drunk it in one, they just got that - the dosage was up to them.
You mean they got it per year?or per battle?

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 04:34 AM
No, I simply collapsed, but I can only repeat myself:

I was not saying that they did drink the 0,5l vodka in one.

But I know people who can drink 0,5 l vodka without any effect, especially who drink that instead of water since age 5.

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 04:46 AM
The sources are not saying the same, but if there was enough supply per battle.
The linked Wiki article is also referring this.

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 04:47 AM
The sources are not saying the same, but if there was enough supply per battle.
The linked Wiki article is also referring this.

Chevan
05-14-2012, 04:56 AM
No, I simply collapsed, but I can only repeat myself:

I was not saying that they did drink the 0,5l vodka in one.

But I know people who can drink 0,5 l vodka without any effect, especially who drink that instead of water since age 5.
So why do you think the vodka would have an essential effect on russian soldiers before the attack? Do you have an witness of it?

According also to witness reports there were masses of these first line warriors withour guns. They were told "Go and pick up the rifle of a fallen one!" If they turned back they were machinegunned to death.
If the the first line unit were unarmed - how by your mind they have won the battle for Hungary?I'm not a scrupulous - i just want to know the whole pucture. You practically has wrote that Hungarian-german forces have been defeated by the unarmed Russian army.How might it happend?

Chevan
05-14-2012, 04:58 AM
The sources are not saying the same, but if there was enough supply per battle.

But "enough" is a relative concept for everybody. Maybe they got 0,5 littres for battalion, how do we know unless it nowhere specified?

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 05:00 AM
Read the Wiki article and its external links

Chevan
05-14-2012, 05:10 AM
Which exactly the links?

Egorka
05-14-2012, 05:50 AM
Yes but the so second echelon is just an reinforcement of first one in this case.The advancing army had ( if it was possible) the reserve who operatively joined the battle during the offencive. There never were the separate echelons\waves who just resting and enjoing behind the vanguard.
I am talking of rear troops (тыловые соединения) which were not involved directly in combat. And that is what they also mean here by saying that combat troops were no bad, but the rear troops were raping and pillaging as they had nothing better to do.

In an offensive where distances covered during 1 day could be tens and tens of kilometers, the front line troops would pass right through and the rear area troops enter the same day or so.

Chevan
05-14-2012, 06:54 AM
By the other worlds you mean the Military logistics troops Class I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_logistics) but usially its strength is insignificant compared to regular( read first-echelon line) army. That's why i very sceptical about "second wave" which implys the masses of troops.

schweinehund
05-14-2012, 09:50 AM
This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtrafbat

Under first line un-armed punished soldiers I mean:
The un-armed punished were chased into the fire line as "live baits". This way the armed troops behind them could locate where the enemy is fireing from.

imi
05-14-2012, 10:50 AM
Greetings,

I am a novice on the site, also from Hungary.
I am researching mainly the Buda Hills, but I often visit other legendary theaters and battlefields in Hungary.

In the first round allow me to introduce you the recent situation of the main Luftschutz bunkers of Hármashatár-hegy, a few remainig graves of unknown soldiers and you can find the Akadémia's main entrance, where von Wildenbruch had been captured at the sewer entrance.

Hello Adam
Thanks for your images!
üdv

imi
05-14-2012, 10:54 AM
What do you hint on?
The Soviets writes the distorted "winning history" alone or in company with their anglo-saxon allies?

In Hungary only the Soviets

imi
05-14-2012, 10:58 AM
@imi,

You have quoted lots of accounts and statements.
Unfortunately none of them are referenced! How come?
Or did I miss something?

The stories are trusted, anyway when I was a kid, the olds tell me the same

leccy
05-14-2012, 01:00 PM
The only time I have read of Soviet units lacking personal weapons and ammunition and having to take them from the dead was in besieged cities like Lenigrad and Stalingrad (the Axis forces had to do the same), or in the prisoner Battalions (I don't know the name of the unit but it was written that prisoners could be considered rehabilitated if they 'Atoned in Blood' for their crimes and if they survived could be sent back to regular units).

The 1/2 litre of Vodka seems a bit large (unless it is watered down), the British Army was authorised a rum ration which could be issued at the commanders discretion (some of it was like treacle and had to be watered down to drink).

Egorka
05-14-2012, 01:34 PM
The stories are trusted, anyway when I was a kid, the olds tell me the same

Common, imi! That is not good enough. Every story has a source. And even then they require scrutiny.
But you posted tons of completely anonimous and faceless statements with no backing info what so ever.
It is a shame. Because should they have been atributed properly, they would be an interesting souce of information, but right now they are just a pile of empty words.

Chevan
05-15-2012, 12:51 AM
Common, imi! That is not good enough. Every story has a source. And even then they require scrutiny.
But you posted tons of completely anonimous and faceless statements with no backing info what so ever.
It is a shame. Because should they have been atributed properly, they would be an interesting souce of information, but right now they are just a pile of empty words.
Why are the emprty worlds?I think we may believe it on imi's bare words. He is our friend and polite member. I sincerely believe his parents and olds told him exactly the same. And he deserve the empathy even deeper someone can to think.
I just try to sum and restore what was told - your , Egorka , grandfather , has drunk half-littre of vodka before the attack of Budapest , then unarmed, if to believe mr schweinehund and wiki( what is logical - actually why need the weapon to drunk ?!!he might accidentally harms himself) goes to the battle for "enemy's gun".But it was just pretext to start an robbering , searching the golds and values, in hary to outpace the NKVD-officers who obviously can't overtake him with their heavy machinguns behind. Meanwhile not forgetting to rape everything that remind him a female age from 8 to 80 ( no wonder after 1/2 littre!!!) .It's amazingly , but in short pauses between endless drunk orgies (and writting his memoures) he has defeated the hungarian garrison repelling all the german countre-attacks and destroyed all german heavy panzers. Without gun and even hint of officer's management!!!Real uber-soldier kinda Himmler dreamed about.3 months he with mates enjoyed and make fun in so called Battle for Budapest.Until vodka has ended!!
Now do you understand what terrible sort of warriors-like the russians are portrayed there? It's serious. I wish nobody such a fate to know his brave ancestors have been defeater by army of drunkards and rapist.Actualy this is hard heritage and shame. So have a mercy...)))

Egorka
05-15-2012, 01:54 AM
The stories are trusted, ...
"Trusted" by whom?
Where do these stories come from? Why are you so sure they are not made up?


... anyway when I was a kid, the olds tell me the sameThen post exactly what you have been personally told by your relatives, instead of anonymous fables.

Egorka
05-15-2012, 02:04 AM
Why are the emprty worlds?
Because these statements a made like quotes from someone/somewhere, but no information is provided for the origin.
It is impossible to think that IMI knows them from his own experience either. I can as well buy a comic book about WW2 and post anonymously from there without telling you - I can assure you that you will have the same impression.


I think we may believe it on imi's bare words.
Right, and what if IMI was himself misled by someone??? So it does not matter AT ALL if we do or don't trust IMI! It would make difference only if he quoted either his personal experinece or accounts he personally recorded.
But as of now I firstly concerned about reliability of the presented quotes.
But wait a second, I can NOT judge on reliability of those as I have nothing to relate to!!!


He is our friend and polite member. I sincerely believe his parents and olds told him exactly the same. And he deserve the empathy even deeper someone can to think.Again those are not the story of his relatives he wrote here.

If I missed something, IMI, then point it out.

imi
05-15-2012, 04:40 AM
"Trusted" by whom?
Where do these stories come from? Why are you so sure they are not made up?

Someone hang to the "business"
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/HU036516/russian-soldier-tries-to-buy-bicycle-from

We have many jewish russian high assignment IN THE PRESENT ALSO at Hungary, who going insane if the second world war come up.
Our soldiers and veterans who protect and serve our country living in fear IN OUR COUNTRY today because some moping psychotic fumbling the holocaust with the war.
I don't have good experience with the russians at the present also, your opinions confirm my observations
I don't see the point why argument whatever in here I have my own experiences in the present

Chevan
05-15-2012, 05:14 AM
We have many jewish russian high assignment IN THE PRESENT ALSO at Hungary, who going insane if the second world war come up.
Our soldiers and veterans who protect and serve our country living in fear IN OUR COUNTRY today because some moping psychotic fumbling the holocaust with the war.

Who those "russian jewish" in present Hungary,by you mind?Really the so mighty to terrorize the vets?

Egorka
05-15-2012, 10:19 AM
Someone hang to the "business"
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/HU036516/russian-soldier-tries-to-buy-bicycle-from

We have many jewish russian high assignment IN THE PRESENT ALSO at Hungary, who going insane if the second world war come up.
Our soldiers and veterans who protect and serve our country living in fear IN OUR COUNTRY today because some moping psychotic fumbling the holocaust with the war.
I don't have good experience with the russians at the present also, your opinions confirm my observations
I don't see the point why argument whatever in here I have my own experiences in the present

IMI, seriously, what on Earth are you talking about!?!?
I only asked for the source of your information. Does that sound unreasonable to you?
If you have problem with such question, then maybe you should not post to historical forum at all.
Comon, for real!


And about the picture you linked to.
Have payed attention to the women's face expression! Do you think it radiates fear or "fak-ya-red-barbarian" sort of attitude? Don't you seee that this photo is rather working against your cause?

schweinehund
05-27-2012, 04:23 PM
Hi Imi,

Cheers! ;]
I thank you for creating this article, there supposed to be a lot of work behind!

Otherwise I confirm your latest comments - I also made a lot of veteran and witness interviews in the last 30 yrs and these many independent testimonies can absolutely not be the part of the collective memory!

A.

schweinehund
05-27-2012, 04:35 PM
Hi leccy,

Yes, we were talking about those punishment (prisoner) units you are referring to.

Returning to the vodka thing: during the first phaze of their occupation the invaders did not mind if there was vodka or else in the bottle they could reach. During also the authorized free lootings they drunk even the perfumes and so up - no matter what, that was alcohol and kicking the brain hard too.

A.

Chevan
05-28-2012, 04:22 AM
Returning to the vodka thing: during the first phaze of their occupation the invaders did not mind if there was vodka or else in the bottle they could reach.
Becouse, otherwise, how will they rape evyrhing from age 8 to 80? Can anyone imagine sex with ancient grandmom beeing sober?Ithink the even the 0.5 littre of vodka would be too small.

schweinehund
05-28-2012, 08:34 AM
Chevan,

Maybe you are a funny guy, but this not that topic what you, or anyone else can make fun of it.

Chevan
05-28-2012, 12:36 PM
Me funny??! Seems it you who begin posting that funny matter about perfumes drinking, aren't you?

imi
05-29-2012, 11:47 AM
Hi Imi,

Cheers! ;]
"I thank you for creating this article, there supposed to be a lot of work behind!"

"they drunk even the perfumes"



Thanks you're right I have many long hours work in this topic, thank for you also to share your photos and memoirs
Please share yours!

About the perfumes: someone told me some soldiers are eating the toothpaste with bread, stole the watches and wear sometimes 10 pieces on every arm but they can't read the time, and use the books for toilet paper
The soviet officers usually intelligent,but i think these soldiers coming from the uncivilized areas from the Soviet Union, never seen towns or civilized conditions that is the solution of they barbarous attitude

Gents please come off this never ending dispute or continue in private messaging
Thanks

Egorka
05-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Gents please come off this never ending dispute or continue in private messaging
Thanks
So now we will get some references of the quotes you posted, right?
I mean those "eyewitnesses","commanders", "students" and even a "private detective" - do they at least have names and age?

Egorka
05-29-2012, 04:56 PM
Me funny??! Seems it you who begin posting that funny matter about perfumes drinking, aren't you?
Well, some of them did indeed drink perfumes and other funny smelling liquids.

Egorka
05-29-2012, 05:27 PM
Imi, here is a gift for you.

From the report of Military tribunal of the 2nd Ukrainian front for the period 20 Jan - 1 Feb 1945 (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7078/7267816704_e2bb5dc006_z.jpg).
Out of 48 cases 4 (app. 8%) cover rape and violence against civilians. Sentences 2 - 8 years of correctional working facility; 1 - 10 years of correctional working faciliy; 1 - capital punishment.

Example:
Ivan M. Krychkov - Capital punishment for "rape and murder of Hungarian women", according to paragraph 193-28 of criminal code. Sentence executed.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7267816542_3f52020363_c.jpg

I have more for you, imi, the ones you will really like.
Please, also note how the information is being referenced.

Egorka
05-29-2012, 06:15 PM
From the report of Military tribunal of the 3nd Ukrainian front for February 1945 (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7229/7261037526_780610137c_c.jpg).
27 sentences of which 4 (app. 15%) are for rape. Sentences: 1 - 7 years; 1 - 8 years; 2 - 10 years of correctional labor facility.

Example:

Second line on the list: Dmitry I. Klyev, private, for "rape of a 13 y.o. girl" in accordance to paragraph 153-2 of the criminal code, 7 years of the correctional labor facility. Sentence commenced.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7261037442_87357d1816_c.jpg

Egorka
05-29-2012, 06:31 PM
From the report of Military tribunal of the 3nd Ukrainian front for the period February and March 1945 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8152/7261037240_64cc791fae_b.jpg).
69 sentences of which 2 (app. 3%) are for rape and murder of Hungarian civilians.

Examples:

The first line: Vladimir A. Malishev, private, for "rape of 9 y.o. Hungarian girl and marauding" according to the paragraphs 153-2 and 193-7 of the criminal code, sentence is 10 years of the correctional labor facility.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7245/7261037148_59cf7aec69_b.jpg


Evgeny N. Luziakin, guards sergeant, for "murder of 3 civilian Hungarians" according to paragraph 196-2 of the criminal code, 10 years of correctional labor facility. Sentence commenced.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7102/7261037340_1c810705a0_b.jpg

Chevan
05-29-2012, 11:48 PM
Wow. That's quite amazing Igor. How could you dig it out? I've never seen a scans of original NKVD's reports.

Egorka
05-30-2012, 02:21 AM
Hm,hmm,hmm... I can tell you, Chevan, but then I'll have to kill you, ya know... Duty is duty...
Strictly speaking, these are not NKVD reports, but reports of Military Justice departments, i.e. Military Tribunals.

:)

Chevan
05-30-2012, 04:12 AM
Hm,hmm,hmm... I can tell you, Chevan, but then I'll have to kill you, ya know... Duty is duty...

I promise you to commit suicide via the drinking of 0.5 litre of perfumes, provide you the photo of dead me , then you will have to reported at that ....service where form you took those secret papers.


Strictly speaking, these are not NKVD reports, but reports of Military Justice departments, i.e. Military Tribunals.

:)
What do you hint on? Were there a military justice in red army!!:) Now i wonder even more than our hungarian friends..

imi
05-30-2012, 10:53 AM
Imi, here is a gift for you.

Thank you Egorka, amazing and scarce documents!
Anyway not my objective to discredit the world war 2 Soviet Army, but the truth is the truth (I know the Wehrmacht and the SS is made horrible things in the eastern sections)
A vengeful Russian Army clunk along Europe into Germany this is a piece from it

Nickdfresh
05-30-2012, 11:29 AM
I promise you to commit suicide via the drinking of 0.5 litre of perfumes, provide you the photo of dead me , then you will have to reported at that ....service where form you took those secret papers.
...

Theoretically one can filter out contaminants using things such as bread, at least I'm told it works for mouthwash... :)

Chevan
05-30-2012, 11:44 PM
Hey Egorka, seems Nick is "our man" - knows the taste of "funny smelling liquids" too:)

Chevan
05-31-2012, 01:28 AM
I know the Wehrmacht and the SS is made horrible things in the eastern sections

Dear imi.
The major problem i see here are not a crimes of Germans units on East - the tonns of book were written about it both in west and east. You obviously , seems try not to notice/ignores , the crimes , commited by the germans allies on the occuped territories.Such behaviour is
not honest to us, and vile to "ww2 era friends" germans. It's quite false and dastardly to make a GErman side to be responsible for ALL atrocities commited on East.Let's take a short look at what went on the territories , controlled by the Hungarian occupation troops.
Here we can see few testimonies (http://malchish.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=106&pop=1&page=0) of the "actions" , provided by the hungarian occupation forces and police battalions over civils during the "contr-partisan operation".
I'm trying to translate few part of it for our honored public..

""The Magyars came into our village Svetlov 9/V/42, - said the farmer, Anton Ivanovich Krutuhin. - All residents of our vilage hid from this pack and they are seeing that people are hiding from them, and those who failed to escape were shot . Some women were raped.I'm the old man himself was born in 1875 and forced to hide in the cellar .... In all vilage there was a shooting, burning buildings. Magyar soldiers looted our things, driving cows and calves "

May 20 of about 700 Hungarian soldiers went out in the next village Orlii. At the farm they arrested all the men. "When they saw men of our village, they said it was the guerrillas - told Barbara F. Mazerkova. - And this same date, ie 20/V/42 grabbed my husband Mazekova Sidor born 1862 and my son Alexei Mazekova , born in 1927 and made after the torture and torment those they tied his hands and dropped into the hole and then lit the straw and burned in potato pit. On the same day another 67 men were killed "

After that, the Magyars moved into the village Svetlov. Villagers remember the massacre, punitive arranged some ten days ago. "When my family and I have noticed a moving train, we are all inhabitants of our village fled into the woods Hinelsky" - recalled Zahar S. Kalugin. However the rest of the village elders were killed by the Hungarians .

Punishers week suppressed the surrounding villages. Residents fled to the woods, but they found there. "It was in May of 42 - told a resident Orlii Slobodka Evdokia Vedeshina - I and almost all the inhabitants had gone to the forest. There followed, and these thugs. They tortured and shot 350 people including my children were tortured, the daughter of Nina for 11 years, Tonya 8 years old, the little son of Victor and his son a year, Kolay five years. I was left barely alive under the dead bodies of children "

Abandoned by the villagers burned. "When we returned from the forest to the village, the village could not be found - recalls the long-suffering woman, Natalia Svetlova Aldushina. - A few old men, women and children were brutally murdered by the Hungarians. Houses were burned, cattle large and small has been hijacked. The pits, which were dug up our things were unearthed. In the village there is nothing left but black brick. Women who remained in the village, told about the atrocities of the magyard "

Thus,in only three Russian villages within 20 days, the Hungarians killed at least 420 civilians. Possibly that the victims were more - we do not have complete data on this subject. But we know that these incidents were not isolated. For example, in 1943 during the retreat from the region of Kursk region Chernyansky "Magyar troops drove in the camp contained 200 prisoners of war , and 160 civils . In the route of all these 360 people were locked in the school building, doused with gasoline and lit. Who tried to escape were shot "

Those very few testimonies ( i may to find more if someone wish) clearly show us the ralation to the local civils the hungarian occupation army.It wasn't limited by the rapings and looting over civils.Just in case somebody think i'm biased to hungarians in russia- we have the another vivid example of moral side of hungarian occupation policy.
The raid on southern Bačka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_raid_in_southern_Ba%C4%8Dka)

"The 1942 raid in southern Bačka was a genocidal attack against civilians in Hungarian occupied Bačka in January 1942, after the Axis invasion and partition of Yugoslavia. The raid was performed in several places in southern Bačka, including Novi Sad (an event commonly known as the Novi Sad massacre), villages and towns in Šajkaška, as well as the towns of Temerin, Srbobran and Bečej. An estimated 3,000 to 4,000 civilian hostages, mostly of Serb, Jewish and Roma ethnicity, were rounded up and killed by the Hungarian Axis troops. The occupiers characterized the raid as a reprisal for resistance activities, although it appears that the real aim was liquidation of "unwanted elements". The massacre is considered one of the most notable war crimes during the Axis occupation of Serbia."
So as it's appearing very clear - the magyars treated the russians,ukrainaisn much like the serbs and jews( not to mention their old mates romanians) .Their behavoiur in much cases was determined rather not by military need but racial nazis theories and pure ethnic hate . I would not like to call this behaviour as "common" though. Just coz i don't wish to believe it. And coz i frankly don't wish to make a pain to our hungarian friends here.
Therefore , dear imi, i would like to call you to follow the more responsible relation to our common history. If you claim the Hungary was victim - think about your neighbour first. We both know the soviet occupation were wrong - equally it was expensive for russians and hostile for hungarians. But , for sake of true, you have to agree - it may never happend if hungary didn't joined the "crusade to the east", bestial and fierce.

JR*
05-31-2012, 09:05 AM
On a point raised earlier in this (very strange) thread - as to whether it would be possible to have sex with an ancient grandmother without first having consumed at least a half-litre of vodka - well, ancient grandfathers might well consider it. Mind you, they would not achieve much in that direction if they took on the half-litre of vodka as well ... Best regards, JR.

JR*
05-31-2012, 09:08 AM
As regards drinking perfume, I gather it can administer a pretty good, if somewhat dangerous "hit". For myself, bad enough to be accused from time to time of smelling of garlic, without being accused of smelling of Chanel No. 5 ... Best regards, JR.

imi
05-31-2012, 12:33 PM
Thanks Chevan for the memos, not unconceivable stories
I think these executions is military orders from the germans or the german friend hungarian goverment
The "just for fun" brutish attitude is uncharachteristic at large the for the hungarian peoples anyway.

In the Soviet occupation you're right: we was on the axis side the peoples expect if we loss, aftermaths coming.

The Yugoslavian conflicts is originate from the judgement of Trianon in 1920
This very unfair "peace treaty" after World War 1 is chop up the hungarian country, and ruin the whole hungarian state and cut millions of hungarians into minority in they own land
We are only outriders in the axis in World War 1, and we lost the 72% of our land that isn't fair and righteous

Some images

The original 1000 year old Hungarian Kingdom in 1914
http://oi48.tinypic.com/v2vd75.jpg

The number in km˛ of the chopped off areas
http://oi45.tinypic.com/70hmqh.jpg

The number of the lost hungarian population
http://oi49.tinypic.com/4grfqq.jpg

The chopped off areas new goverments (in slovakia,romania and serbia) discriminate the hungarian peoples who live their regions about 1000 year ago and these areas is belong to Hungary until 1920
Many attrocites became against the hungarian peoples in these areas until these days also

Like

25th of aug 2006 Slovakia: a 23 year old slovakian-hungarian woman Malina Hedvig brutaly beaten by two men, because she's speaking hungarian in her cell phone at the street
19th of may 2010 Romania: 6 romanian-hungarian beaten by 13 romanians because they speak hungarian in a front of a restaurant
19th of may 2012 Serbia: Serbians beaten serbian-hungarians with tactical telescope batons and steel pipes because they nationality

Sad thing for our brothers and sisters who they can't live in peace on they ancient lands :(

imi
07-14-2012, 02:33 PM
SS soldier with civilians holding a Panzerfaust in the downtown of Budapest
http://i47.tinypic.com/2jc7sia.jpg
Stug column moving in the hungarian lowlands
http://i49.tinypic.com/24q8kn8.jpg
Unidentified axis tank at the downtown Budapest (post edit: Soviet SU-76 SPG)
http://i50.tinypic.com/27xovp2.jpg

imi
07-14-2012, 02:41 PM
Soviet Flak between the streets of Budapest
http://i50.tinypic.com/2dhia39.jpg
Soviet submachine gunners at the downtown of Budapest
http://i46.tinypic.com/md1krq.jpg
Karl Pfeffer Wildenbruch the SS commander of the german forces in Hungary after being captured as a POW (rare and new photo!)
http://oi46.tinypic.com/evap78.jpg

flamethrowerguy
07-15-2012, 02:30 AM
Unidentified axis tank at the downtown Budapest
http://i50.tinypic.com/27xovp2.jpg

Not an axis tank but a Soviet SU-76 SPG aka "Suka" (bitch).

imi
07-15-2012, 03:00 AM
Not an axis tank but a Soviet SU-76 SPG aka "Suka"

thank you!

Nickdfresh
07-15-2012, 11:02 AM
Was it the Heer or the Rot Army that called it the "bitch?"

flamethrowerguy
07-15-2012, 12:19 PM
Was it the Heer or the Rot Army that called it the "bitch?"

The Soviets did, actually they had several nicknames for this vehicle. It wasn't liked too much by its crews.

imi
07-15-2012, 12:32 PM
Civilians watching the bombing of Budapest
http://i47.tinypic.com/5lb7r4.jpg

Chevan
07-15-2012, 11:33 PM
actually it has got nickname "suchka/little bitch". The Su-76 deserved the contradictious honor in troops. Inspite of its lacks (weak "open sky-style" armour and 76-mm caliber) it was enough effective manoeuvrable and simple for repair self-propelled gun.

flamethrowerguy
07-16-2012, 12:32 AM
actually it has got nickname "suchka/little bitch". The Su-76 deserved the contradictious honor in troops. Inspite of its lacks (weak "open sky-style" armour and 76-mm caliber) it was enough effective manoeuvrable and simple for repair self-propelled gun.

Wasn't another nickname something like "Ferdinand with naked a s s" (Голожопый Фердинанд)?

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/467765-4/1_004

A Beute-Suchka of 5th SS "Wiking":

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/300611-4/PdPWiB_205_3%23

Chevan
07-16-2012, 01:31 AM
Wasn't another nickname something like "Ferdinand with naked a s s" (Голожопый Фердинанд)?
I think this phony nicname has appeared after the war. The russians prefered to call the original Ferdinad as Elephant (слон) after the kurs battle when soviet war propogand has PRed them as "слон".
P.S. The Su-76M ( the original Su-76 has a top armor) wasn't a fully "naked a ss" machine. If you want to see the real "Голожопый Фердинанд" - take a look at the american spg T56 (http://www.vn-parabellum.com/gal/us/t56-t57-spg.html) on the chassis of M3

imi
11-03-2012, 07:29 AM
exhausted soldier from the 22th Waffen SS "Maria Theresia" cavallry after the breakout
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/ss+22budapest.html

imi
11-03-2012, 11:25 AM
The story of the 25th Waffen SS Grenadier Division "Hunyadi" and other hungarian fightning groups
http://hunyadi.co.uk/page11.php

flamethrowerguy
11-03-2012, 03:40 PM
exhausted soldier from the 22th Waffen SS "Maria Theresia" cavallry after the breakout
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/ss+22budapest.html

This OStuF (1st Lt.) can consider himself lucky though for making out, something that only a few soldiers of his division achieved.

imi
11-13-2012, 12:14 PM
Hungarian SS Mann Ádám Müller Soldbuch from hungarian 25th panzergrenadier Waffen SS "Hunyadi"

http://i50.tinypic.com/2vb7h5f.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/5l6g4l.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2vvp1td.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/34qlq4g.jpg

imi
11-13-2012, 12:25 PM
25th SS Grenadier Division ,,Hunyadi” (ungarische Nr.1)

Lineage

25. Freiwilligen Grenadier Division (1 May 1944(2) – 2 Nov 1944)

25. Waffen Grenadier Division der SS Hunyadi (ungarische Nr. 1) (2 Nov 1944 – May 1945)

Commander
SS – Standartenfuhrer Thomas Muller (30 Sept 1944 -2 Nov 1944)

SS – Gruppenfuhrer and SS General Leutnant (3) Jozsef Grassy (2 Nov 1944 – 8 May 1945) (4)
SS – Standartenfuhrer Gero Tenesvari (5)

Chief of Staff

1a (First Staff Officer and titular chief – of – staff)
SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Adam Podhradszky

1b (Quartermaster)
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Herbert Engel (? 1944 – 1 Mar 1945)

1 Ia (Divisional Adjutant)
SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Fritz Ulrich

SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Andreas Szinay

Unit History
September 10 1944: Ferenc Szálasi learns of meetings between Csatay and Winkelmann concerning the formation of SS divisions. Ferenc Szálasi is opposed to the raising of the divisions at this moment in time and makes it known that he will not accept any contract that is signed.

October 10 1944: SS Brigadefuhrer Josef Grassy is nominated as commanding officer of what will become the 25th SS division ,,Hunyadi”. SS – Standartenfuhrer Thomas Muller is nominally in command until the division is up and running.

October 15 1944: Hungarian leader Admiral Horthy is deposed by a coup led by the Germans and is replaced by Hungarian Nazi leader Count Ferenc Szalasi

October 23 1944: Hungarian Defence Minister General Karoly Beregly meets HSFFP (higher SS and police commander) Hungary Otto Winkelmann. The raising of several SS divisions of soldiers and officers from the Hungarian army along with non-Hungarian army personnel is discussed. These would have uniforms and equipment provided by Germany.

October 26 1944: Agreement is reached setting out the conditions for the Hungarian SS formations

In among the agreement are the following stipulations:

1.The volunteers are to serve for the duration of the war
2.The strength and size of the Hungarian divisions will be the same as other SS divisions
3.The language of command will be Hungarian, senior officers will be expected to know German
4.Division honour titles will come from Hungarian history
5.The division will be trained in Hungary, troops may be assigned to camps in Germany for specialist training
6.The units will be employed in the defence of Hungary
7.The Waffen SS will provide military equipment, uniforms and arms from Germany. Transport will be provided by the Hungarians
8.Hungarian troops will wear the Hungarian national shield on the upper left sleeve of tunics and divisional cuff title on the left arm.
9.Hungarian males had to be at least 17 and those under 21 need parental permission to enlist.
10.Any volunteers will retain their Hungarian citizenship as stated in the April 14 1944 agreement.
11.Hungarian SS troops will have the same rights as other SS troops
12.Hungarian volunteers are not to be transferred to non-Hungarian SS divisions.
13.If there is a shortfall in the number of volunteers then the Hungarian Defence ministry would provide the remaining men needed to form the division(s)

These are to be split into two groups. ,,Kossuth”, ,,Petofi”, ,,Flip” and ,,Bem” are to be part of the German army and ,,Hunyadi”, ,,Hungaria”, ,,Gombos” and ,,Gorgey” are to be part of the Waffen SS.

imi
11-13-2012, 12:28 PM
October 28 1944: Károly Beregfy Hungarian Minister of Defence issues the order that Hungarians can volunteer for service in the ,,Hunyadi” division even though the SS Head Office has not yet formally acknowledged the formation of the division. The deadline for volunteers is November 20 1944.

Early November 1944: Posters and a radio campain to recruit volunteers begins.

November 1 1944: Defense Minister, Beregfy and deputy chief of Defence Staff, Lieutenant General Feketehalmy-Czeydner make contact with the Germans in Vienna .

November 2 1944: The ,,Hunyadi” division is formed on paper by SS – Fuhrungshauptamt (Order SSFHA-Amt l.Org.Abt.la/ll Tgb,Nr. 4021/44 g.Kdos. vom 2.11.1944} as the SS 1. Hungarian Waffen-Grenadier division with an order of battle of 25 (the 25. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS [ungarische Nr. 1]). The unit will eventually consist of Hungarian volunteers including a large number of soldiers from the Hungarian 13th Light infantry division (approximately 40% of the division are former members of thje Honved), youngsters of Levente Institution and conscripts. Both the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS transfer offices and NCO’s to the division (including 1 SS ,,Adolf Hitler”, 2 SS ,,Das Reich”, 3 SS ,,Totenkopf”, 5 SS ,,Viking” and 7 SS ,,Prinz Eugen”) as do the Hungarian Honvedseg.

Grassy starts to assemble his divisional staffat Zalaszentgrót. These include SS Waffen-Standartenführer Ádám Podhradszky (who as a captain had served under Grassy in the 13th Light Infantry division) and István M. Dragolovich who Grassy also knows.

November 3 1944: The ,,Hunyadi” division's divisional staff arrive at Zalaszentgrót by car and wait for the first volunteers' arrivalfrom Budapest.

November 4 1944: Beregfy learns that SS Head Office has issued the official set up command for the SS 25. Division ,,Hunyadi” as a Waffen-grenadier division and not a Waffen-Panzer grenadier has he had hoped for. He later issues a redefined provision, in which he modifies the Hungarian division's name and states that the ,,Hunyadi” division would be equipped the same as a German Panzer Grenadier Division. The “Waffen-Panzer Grenadier”( „Hunyadi" páncélgránátos hadosztályba) title is used on recruiting posters put up in Hungary.

November 8 1944: Mobilisation of men between 17 and 60 in the Budapest area is announced

November 9 1944: The first of the ,,Hunyadi” division's volunteers board their train at Kelenföldi station in Budapest and later in the day arrive at Mosonszentjános.

November 10 1944: Beregfy issues his new provision of the description of 25 Panzer Grenadier Division ,,Hunyadi". It calls for volunteers from the 1914 - 1927 classes, stating that Officers should have a knowledge of German, volunteers had until the 20th of November to complete the papers.
Approximately 12 officers and Lieutenants transfer from SS 1 Hungarian Ski battalion to 25th division ,,Hunyadi” as ,,Hunyadi” is lacking in junior officers with any experience of combat.

Volunteers for ,,Hunyadi” begin to assemble at Zalaergerszeg in southwest Hungary.

Kampfgruppe ,,Deak” is incorporated into 25 SS ,,Hunyadi” (see separate section on Kampfgruppe ,,Deak”). The Kampfgruppe becomes the corner stone of 61 regiment.László Deák becomes CO of 61 Regiment.

November 11 1944: two days after arriving at Mosonszentjános the soldiers from ,,Hunyadi” are placed in barracks.

November 15 1944: Hungarian War Ministry announces that 12 500 men are ready to serve in the division.

November 17 1944: Although a large part of the enlisted men have assembled there is a shortage of Hungarian and German Officers and NCO’s.

November 18 1944: Standartenfuhrer Lorant Bodolay Bodola (11) takes over command of 62. Regiment.

Due to the military situation it is decided to move the division to Bruck (this is later changed) the division numbers approximately 16 700 men.

November 19 1944: Standartenfuhrer Josef Vecsey (Wittenberger) takes over command of 25 SS Ausbildungs & Ersatz Einheiten

Mid to late November 1944: Laszlo Rapcsányi visits the 12 training camps at which the ,,Hunyadi" and ,,St Laszlo" divisions are forming and reports to the Hungarian Parliament that although warehouses are full very little is reaching the Hungarian troops.
People wanting to volunteer for the ,,Hunyadi" division are told to a go to a school on Bocskai utca for enrolment. When here they assemble in the gymnasium. In groups of around 10 people they then go to a classroom where their personal details are taken and a medical examination takes place. The volunteers are processed by NCO's from the Hungarian army in Hungarian uniforms. Cold food is issued during the enrolment process.
One group of volunteers march to Kelenföld railway station to wait for a train to take them to Zalalövő. During the wait some of the volunteers break into some of the wagons in the station and steal various items (mostly alcohol and food). The items are taken on the train but are consumed by the time gendarmes search the train around Székesfehérvár. After reaching Zalalövő the volunteers where taken to a local manor house where they slept in the stables. They were then moved to various villages in the area (including Vaspör where they were taken to a school. The school consited of 2 classrooms, one of which was the headquarters and the other classroom was the kitchen. They were then moved to houses in the village. While here 2 men are executed by NCO's for deserting).

November 20 1944: Most of the division (approximately 10 000 men) are now told that they are to transfer to Neuhammer. Most are to be located at Strans and rest at the old camp in Neuhammer (this is part of operation „Hellebarde”)

Approximately 4000 men (and their families) are loaded on trains in Zalaszentgrót and leave for Neuhammer.

Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich replaces Standartenfuhrer Lorant Bodolay Bodola as commander of 62 regiment. Standartenfuhrer Dezso Magyary takes over command of 63 regiment.

25 Waffen-Schi battalion is raised from Hungarian Mountain troops.

Some troops transfer to Waffen-SS specialist schools.

November 21 1944: The original deadline for joining ,,Hunyadi” having passed is extended due to communication problems. The deadline is moved several times in the up coming weeks.

November 22 1944: The ,,Hunyadi” division absorbs 800 members of the 1st Hungarian SS schi Battalion (12)

November 23 1945: 3 700 men from Zalaegerszeg by train and 1 000 men leave from Vasvar by road Neuhammer.

November 24 1944: The Commanding Officer of the 1st Hungarian SS Schi Battalion arrives at Neuhammer along with most of his Officers and 1000 men. The 800 men absorbed in to the ,,Hunyadi” division are taken back and the Schi Battalion is re-assembled

4 000 men from Tuerje leave for Neuhammer.

imi
11-13-2012, 12:30 PM
November 27 1944: Some sources say that 800 men are killed and 650 wounded in a US air attack on a train between Bierbaum and Hartberg transporting the unit to Neuhammer (this action is not confirmed).

November 29 1944: Division numbers approximately 18 000 men.

Parts of ,,Hunyadi” arrive in the area around Zalaszentgrót from Budapest with some being stationed at Zala.

November 30 1944: ,,Hunyadi" numbers 19 777 men.

December 1944: German and Hungarian Military Police units under Captain Marton Zoldi begin to impose order on the recruits at Rajka.

December 1 1944: Last elements of the unit leave the training centre at Zalaergerszeg.

Hungarian Defence ministry sets up a recruiting camp at Rajka.

December 2 1944: Standartenfuhrer Odon Magyary takes over command of 25-artillery regiment.

December 5 1944: 2 000 men from Tuerje and 2 000 men (including most of the German personal) from Vasvar set off for Neuhammer.

December 6 1944: The Divisional staff and units from ,,Hunyadi” start arriving at Neuhammer camp.
Volunteers in the village of Vaspör are ordered to kill several pigs from the village. The pigs killed in Vaspör are taken to Szombathely ( possibly Kormend) and placed in railway wagons and left guarded overnight.

December 7 1945: Troops and volunteers set off from Budapest Keleti railway station for Rajka via Kisbény and Köny.

December 8 1944: Volunteers in the village of Vaspör march to the railway station at Szombathely.


December 10 1944: The number of men from ,,Hunyadi” at Neuhammer camp now numbers 20 567. This number is larger than the German’s had planned for, it is not helped by the addition of a number of men from the 20. SS Division (1. Estonian) being at the camp at the same time. The food that was allocated for the original number of approximately 13 500 is stretched to feed the 20 000 that actually were on the camp. The same applies to accommodation with more than one person using a bed.Around this time uniforms are issued to the division. Those based at Neuhammer receive a uniform but those at Strans are still mostly in civilian clothes.

20 days after being ordered to move, the parts of the ,,Hunyadi” division in Zala start their train journey to Neuhammer,

The Hungarian government orders full mobilisation of men between 17 and 61 and at the various collecting stations (Nagycenk, Rajka, Kisbér etc.) people are asked if they want to go to Germany and fight in the German Wehrmacht or Waffen-SS


Order of battle (20 567 men)

Commander SS - Brigadefuhrer Jozef Grassy

1a Waffen - Standartenfuhrer Adam Podhradszky
1b Hauptsturmfuhrer Herbert Angel (German)
1b Hauptsturmfuhrer Andreas Szinay

Divisional Staff (FP 00 020)
Military Police platoon
Translator platoon
Signals platoon
Messenger platoon (motorcycle)
Divisional Security/Reconnaissance platoon

Waffen Gren.Rgt. der SS 61 (ungarisches Nr 1) (FP 08 104)

Composition I. (1-4 Kp) (FP 39 881) II.( 5-8 Kp) (FP 00 706) 13 IG 14 Flak
SS - Oberfuhrer Laszlo Deak

Waffen Gren.Rgt. der SS 62 (ungarisches Nr 2) (FP 01 121)

Composition I (1-4 Kp) (FP 17 380) II(5-8 Kp) (FP 01 817) 13IG 14 Flak
Waffen - Standartenfuhrer Gero Temesvari

Waffen Gren.Rgt. der SS 63 (ungarisches Nr 3) (FP 20 689)

Composition I (1-4 Kp) (FP 01 121) II(5-8 Kp) (FP 02 110) 13IG 14 Flak
Waffen - Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich

Waffen Artillerie Rgt. der SS 25 (ungarisches Nr 1) (FP 41 777)
Composition I (1-3 battr) 7.5cm PAK (FP 64 266) II(4-5 battr) 10.5 cm (FP 45 525) III(7-8 battr) 10.5cm (FP 65 614} IV(10-11 battr) 15cm (FP 03 527)
Waffen - Standartenfuhrer Odon Magyar

SS Ausbildungs & Ersatz Einheiten 25
Waffen - Obersturmbannfuhrer Josef Vecsey

SS Versorgungs Rgt. 25
SS - Standartenfuhrer Josef Siemensreiter

imi
11-13-2012, 12:32 PM
December 11 1944: P–38 aeroplanes attack a train carrying some of the ,,Hunyadi” division in between Rátót and Szentgotthárd around noon. 29 men die in the course of the attack and another 70 are wounded. They are the division's first official wartime dead.
1 160 men leave for Neuhammer and travel via Rajka.

December 12 1944: A telegram from Army group south contains details of the proposed transfer of ,,Hunyadi'' along with 31st SS Grenadier Division, 58th SS Gebirgs brigade (Tartar nr.1) and various volksdeutsche police battalions. On this day Army group South is informed of the ,,Hunyadi” divisions move to Neuhammer by Waffen SS Headquarters.
On this day posters appear in the village of Komárom asking for volunteers for the ,,Hunyadi" division. There is also a seperate poster asking for volunteers for the 25 SS ski battalion.


December 14 1944: The deadline for applications to join the new divisions is extended

December 15 1944: Operation „Hellebard” is now joined by Operation ,,Zuckerdose” to move the Hungarian troops.
The original deadline for applications ends.
SS Grenadier Ausbildungs und Ersatz Battalion 35 based in Bruss, near Konitz becomes the Ersatz battalion for ,,Hunyadi''


Mid December 1944: 25 flak detachment is sent to SS Artillery training and Replacement Regiment in Munich.

December 18 1944: Feldgrau uniforms along with helmet and bayonets are issued to members of ,,Hunyadi”

December 19 1944: Arms distributed to divisions 61 and 62. This consists of 2 000 K98k rifles, 1 000 P-08 pistols, 100 MP40’s,(14) 50 MG42’s and 25 Gr.W.34 8cm mortars. These weapons go primarily to 61 regiment. Nr 61-grenadier regiment as the most experienced is the first to reach combat efficiency

December 21 1944: Between now and the end of December the following troops arrive at Neuhammer- Remnants of the 16. Border Hunter battalion (due to lack of space thse men were billeted in Bad Saarow), a contingent of police, approximately 40 newly appointed Ensigns from the ,,Prince Csaba” cadet school and approximately 100 acting officers (non-commissioned officers) from the ,, Paul Kinizsi” army officer training school. Except for the police non-of the other arrivals have arms.

December 22 1944: Training begins. Due to the lack of weapons the men are split into morning and afternoon shifts and share the weapons. Over the next few weeks with half of Hungary under Russian control the Hungarians complain that the Germans seem more interested in holding German language lessons than issuing and holding weapon training,

December 23 1944: The 25. Attack Artillery Company is replaced in Budapest by a guard detail and so avoids being surrounded.

22 801 Hungarians are at Neuhammer after transferring to camp. The number of men arriving at the camp ease after this date.
Around this time there are approximately 50,000 men at Neuhammer camp, these include Estonian and German troops and 3,000 Russian prisioners of war. The men from ,,Hunyadi" are scattered around the Neuhammer training camp, officers are placed in stone houses while the rest of the men are placed in whatever space is available and it is not unknown for 2-3 people to share a 75cm bed. Temperatures average around -18 to 20 degrees and
December 24 1944: A courier from the defense ministry arrives at Neuhammer camp and annouces the formation of a second Hungarian SS Division. He also informs the authorities that approximately 10,000 more men are on their way to the camp.

December 25 1944: Division receives 27 2.5-ton trucks.

December 26 1944: P–38 Lightning aeroplanes attack a train between Bécsújhely and Németújvár which is carrying part of the ,,Hunyad” division towards Vienna from Körmend. 797 men die while another 600 are wounded. The 523 Hungarian military hospital's ambulances transport the large part of the wounded to the local Faludy Ferenc Gymnasium. German doctors handle a small amount of the wounded in Graz

December 28 1944: It is announced that a second Hungarian division is to be set up. 8 000 men from ,,Hunyadi” are to used as the nucleus for the new division.

December 29 1944: The ,,Hunyadi” Division receives 100 machine pistols, 50 light machine guns, 25 Gr.W.34 8cm mortars, 5 Pak 40 7.5cm anti tank guns along with 3 000 panzerfaust’s (15) , 1600 bicycles (16) thus increasing the divisions armament by 25 – 30%.

December 31 1945: Neuhammer is visited by SS Brigadefuhrer Fanzlau and Gruppenfuhrer Gottlob Berger and they inspect the ,,Hunyadi” division. From ,,Hunyadi" and ,,Hungaria" a Honour guard is formed - the majority of the Honour guards are Feldgendarm's who are immaculately turned out. The length of their cloaks are shortened, and white thread gloves are distributed and according to one veteran cuff titles are issued to the members of the Honour guard (they are taken back after the visit). The Hungarian and the German state one flags are hoisted before the main building, the Hungarian national flag decorated it. A Arrow-Cross flag is not available so a deaths head flag is used instead. The Hungarian national flag is at the lead of the cavalcade. This is accompanied by two Waffen Standartenjunker ( each supplied with a swords), and Waffen SS Standarteroberjunker (who carries the flag). The Honour guards are issued with Hungarian Mannlicher rifles and not German K98k's.

imi
11-13-2012, 12:33 PM
January 1945: Forming at Neuhammer. Still training when Russians entered Silesia.

Due to the freezing conditions and with many of the ,,Hunyadi” troops still in civilian clothes a mixture of uniforms and clothing are issued.(19)

The 25 SS Waffen Pioneer Battalion are transferred for training to the Somme barracks in Passau (20), This ,,Hunyadi” formation is the only one to be properly equipped by the Germans.

Oberfuhrer Deak is named deputy divisional commander (he retains the command of 61 regiment).

During January and February 1945 20 men are charged with escape and insubordination.

January 1 1945: ,,Hungaria” is ordered to Sieradz in Poland thus leaving ,,Hunyadi” (with a few small parts of ,,Hungaria”) alone at Neuhammer camp. The Estonian troops are ordered to go to Breslau.

January 2 1945: After travelling via Sumeg, Rigacs, Pozsonyligetfalu and Deutsche-Raterwitz the Hungarian 25. Attack artillery arrives in the area of Strans camp. They arrive without equipment at Neuhammer camp so it is decided that with their artillery experience to retrain them as tank hunter soldiers. The plan being that they will become 25. Waffen tank hunter section.

The planned order of battle is as follows:

3 platoons tank hunters company (each section having 3 jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer class tank hunters)

3 platoons air defence machine gun cannons company (each section having 2 40mm air defence machine cannons) (21)

3 platoons towed tank-breaking company (each section having 3 7.5cm tank piercing cannons)

The towed tank breaking company goes to Leer near the Dutch border for training.

The anti aircraft company is commanded to go to Muchen for training.

The SS 25.Waffen tank hunter class goes south to Beneschau in Czechoslovakia for training along with a artillery battalion.

January 3 1945: The Attack artillery section leave Strans for retraining.

January 5 1945: 25 schi battalion is assigned to IV SS Panzer Corps (23) to assist the Corps efforts to relieve Budapest. Before leaving they are equipped with assault rifles. They travel by rail via Prague and Vienna to Gyroszentivan.

January 19 1945: Beregfy (Hungarian minister of defence) issues general order 97.305./eln.1.o. Due to this order volunteers not only take an oath to Adolf Hitler, but they also take an oath to Ferenc Szálasi as "Furhrer of the Hungarian Nation"

January 26 1945: The new oath is used and is to be said in German and Hungarian (a rough translation of the oath goes - ,, I swear to Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces and Szalasi, the head of the Hungarian nation, be faithful, unconditional obedience to all superiors for my behavior. I swear that everything is our enemy, I fight until the final victory everywhere ,, (24)

January 27 1945: Ferenc Szálasi sends a letter to Adolf Hitler, in which he wants to clear up problems regarding the Hungarian SS divisions.

January 31 1945: 500 SS Transport Security Company is absorbed into 25. SS Versorgungs Regiment

February 1945: In the first few days of February the ,,Hunyadi” division sort out from the enlisted men, those who’s qualification’s make them suitable to complete the officer course. After roll call one company of Hungarian officers is assembled, they are soon transported to Stettin.

Early February: Standartenfuhrer Jeno Galgoc takes over 61 regiment when Oberfuhrer Deak becomes chief of staff of XVII Hungarian Waffen Army Corps der SS. 71 wounded and 50 men suffering with illness' are transported to Sagan for treatment. There are no medicines or bandages at the hospital and the staff consists of one single doctor, two vets and one single pharmacist.

February 1 1945: 25th SS divisions ,,Hunyadi” and 26th SS divisions ,,Hungaria” reunite. This situation remains unchanged for the rest of the war. By this date the Russians have already moved 50-60 kilometres closer to Neuhammer training camp. The number of volunteers does not decrease but the Germans have great difficulty in providing equipment for them and never reach the proper level required to equip the division.

February 4 1945: The sounds of battle are heard for the first time at Neuhammer camp and SS Obergruppenfuhrer Grassy order’s a defensive line around Neuhammer and place’s the most experienced troops (some equipped with panzerfaust’s) in a semi-circle between the Neuhammer camp and the Russians. The defensive line is on the banks on the Bober river. 10 lorries from Waffen Kraftfahr kompamie der SS 25 ferries men on a daily basis to the front line to replace men who had been at the front.

Beregfy and Veesenmayer add one extra Convention to the October agreement. This concerns the legal status of and correction to the rules of the registrations and conditions of those troops transported to Germany.

February 5 1945: To allow time for ,,Hunyadi" and ,,Hungaria" to withdraw so the 2 divisions can carry on equiping and building SS Obergruppenfuhrer Grassy order’s that the two divisions (25th and 26th) should form one corps. “Hunyadi” first chief of staff officer Waffen – Standartenfuhrer Adam Podhradszky informs Waffen – Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich (previously with SS 63 Waffen-grenadier battalion) to organise it. Peinlich was doubtful if this was possible considering the shortage of equipment. Eventually the best units from 25 SS division ,,Hunyadi” and 26 SS division ,,Hungaria” (mainly the 61 & 64 regiments) forms the ,,Hungarian SS Alarm regiment”under the command of Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich. (25)
A courier arrives at the camp with an order from Hungarian defense Minister Beregfy stating that as officers and non-commisioned offices are not available that the formation of the 3rd and 4th Hungarian SS divisions be halted and the troops moved to the ,,Hunyadi" and ,,Hungaria" divisions.

February 6 1945: The ,,Hunyadi” division make quarters in the area around Oldenburg and Kloppengurg. Standartenfuhrer Jeno Temesvary Galgoc takes over command of 61 regiment. The Hungarian divisions leave on time. Approximately 55 000 – 60 000 soldiers are to be evacuated from Neuhammer, Vlaszow and Osszesen camps.
Troops from the unformed ,,Gombos" and ,,Gorgey" divisions are absorbed by ,,Hunyadi" and ,,Hungaria"

February 7 1945: The remaining units of the ,,Hunyadi” divisionmove out of Neuhammer camp and move approximately 50 kilometres to the south to the Deutschgabel area in order to develop new barracks. It had been decided during the previous German-Hungarian meeting that 4 divisions were to be sent to the area so sufficient stores were brought in.

February 8 1945: (For details of the battle for Neuhammer please see the separate section).

105 men from ,,Hunyadi” leave Neuhammer camp to go to Waffen Junkerschule der SS in Prague

February 12 1945: The ,,Hunyadi” division reaches the Goritz-Radmeritz-Ostriz-Marienthal district.

February 14 1945: Units of the ,,Hunyadi” division have reached the Kiesdorf-Neudorf-Grosshennersdorfon district after crossing the Strahwalde region.

The 105 men going to the Junkerschule in Prague reach Dresden just before the bombing of the city and are killed in the air raid.

A new agreement is reached between Hungary and Germany regarding the Hungarian SS divisions. Among the 15 points in the agreement are - the divisions will bear names chosen by the Hungarian Honved Ministry, the Commanders, Officers and NCO's of the divisions will be Hungarian, Hungarian will be the command language, the divisions remain a part of the Hungarian Honved Ministry, the divisions will take an oath the the Hungarian head of state, Hungarian chaplins will provide the spiritual care for the divisions and that although part of the Waffen SS they will retain the Hungarian flag and only fight Russia.

February 15 1945: 11 trucks from the .,,Hunyadi” supply regiment arrive to move the remnants of the Alarm regiment. 11 more trucks join in during the day moving the men.

imi
11-13-2012, 12:35 PM
February 17 1945: The last of the Alarm regiment’s soldiers are relocated back to their original units.

By this time the Alarm regiment has suffered 57% losses. Out of approximately 2600 men, 544 men (including 17 officers (27)) have been killed and 955 men are listed as wounded or missing. Approximately 400 wounded are evacuated from Neuhammer but approximately 500 are left and they are captured by the Russians. 10 Hungarians are awarded the Iron Cross first class, 20 receive the Iron Cross second class, 1 Untersturmfuhrer is awarded the Hungarian Golden medal honour for officers and one Scharfuhrer is awarded the Hungarian Great Golden Honour medal for destroying 7 Russian tanks with panzerfaust’s. 3 Russian tanks are confirmed destroyed by the Alarm Battalion and 14 by the 1 SS Hungarian anti-tank platoon.

Late February/March 1945: Whilst marching Martin Zoldi approaches members of ,,Hunyadi" asking for volunteers who wanted to fight and takes the weapons of other members.

Early March 1945: ,,Hunyadi” and its main divisional command post is near Nurnberg in Holpolstein (28). Training continues. The ,,Hunyadi” artillery men experience live firing but ,,Hungaria” artillery men just walk around their accommodation and only infantry start their elementary training because of the large number of recruits. The unit training is based on individual initiative- using what resources they have – the division continues not to receive its specified armament.

Because of the military situation one-month after reaching Stettin it is necessary to transfer the Hungarian company and its Officer training course repeatedly, by rail at first to Rostock, later from there they are transported by ferry into Denmark. Their training and officer’s course (with SS Haupsturmfuhrer Himpel commanding) continues close to Copenhagen, in one local sports hall near Haslev.

March 10 1945: ,,Hungaria" and ,,Hunyadi" now receive more than 5,000 rifles, 300 machine guns, 100 MG-42 machine guns, 50 81mm grenade launcher, and 3000 panzerfausts.

March 14 1945: Grassy writes a letter to the local Gualeiter (Gualeiter Giesler) after complaints of missing animals, empty milk churns and the trampling of crops.

March 23 1945: Minister of Defence Károly Beregfy visit’s the Hungarian SS divisions along with Obergruppenfuhrer Hans Juttner, Brigadefuhrer Heinz Fanslau and General of Artillery Keiner (during the visit Beregfy makes a complaint to the Germans concerning the lack of equipment.) A parade ground of sorts is made along with a viewing stand. Hungarian and German flags are flown along the road that leads to the area chosen for the parade. They arrive at approximately 15.00. They were greeted by Grassy wearing a steel helmet and with sword drawn. Members of ,,Hunyadi" & ,,Hungaria" are formed up for inspection (the rear ranks having no rifles but only side arms). After some speaches awards are given to members of the Alarm Regiment which fought at Neuhammer.
Sometime around this a date a order is issued from SS Headquarters that ,Hungaria" and ,,Hunyadi" are to be made combat ready by 1st May 1945.


Late March/early April 1945: some members of 25 SS Schi battalion (under Hauptsturmfuhrer Geza Pataki) who are stationed at barracks in Leoben attend a training course in Judenburg .

April 1945: The flak detachment originally sent to Munchen rejoins the division.

100 Hungarian Officer Candidates after completing their training course at SS NCO School Radolfzell rejoin the 25th and 26th divisions

Men from the ,,Hunyadi” engineer battalion prepare anti tank traps and other obstacles on the Naab river, they are helped by 200 men from ,,Hungaria”

April 1 1945: Around this date men from the ,,Hunyadi” engineer battalion prepare anti tank traps and other obstacles on the Naab river, they are helped by 200 men from ,,Hungaria”
On this day General der Infanterie Weisenberger calls for assistance from ,,Hunyadi", ,,Hungaria", ,,Kossuth" and men from the NCO Training school ,,Jutas" to help defend military district XIII.

April 4 1945: On this date (or shortly after) Members from 25 SS Schi battalion are sent to the front. After a 2 day train journey and walking on foot (they have no transport except for a schimmwagen used by the officers. They put their equipment on abandened carts and due to lack of horses they pull the carts to the front) they reach the front and fight along side 5 SS division ,,Viking"

April 11 1945: At midnight with the Americans approaching the area that ,,Hunyadi” is stationed in, it is decided that once more that the division should move. The division is under German XIII army command (Wehrkreis XVII – Nurnberg command) and they insist on the division being deployed however the Hungarian formations refuse citing the agreement that they only fought on Hungarian soil. Jeno Ruszkay temporary commander of XVII Army corps contacts SS Command headquarters who order that the formation head to Steyr in Austria. Members of the ,,Hunyadi" division are informed just before midnight of the move.

April 12 1945: Written orders issued by Grassy announce that ,,Hunyadi” and ,,Hungaria” should share commander

April 13 1945: the SS 26 (2. Hungarian) ,,Hungaria” Waffen – grenadier divisions independent story comes to an end, however one part of the division is divided into companies for other corps. The SS 26 (2. Hungarian) Waffen – grenadier division – 107 days old from formation – is dissolved by the Germans. The German intention is to divide the division among other corps but the Hungarians want it to stop together so the German plan is not carried out so ,,Hungaria” is absorbed into ,,Hunyadi” and it is regarded as an existing division. The ,,Hunyadi" division by evening is near Neustadt an der Donau.

Mid April 1945: The Officer company training in Denmark receives orders to leave immediately for the front. Because of this the taking of blood samples and the tattooing of the blood group on the arms is cancelled. One Berlin survivor thinks that this decision saves their lives when captured. The company passes through Hamburg and goes to Berlin. Commander SS Hauptsturmfuhrer Himpel there joins the Hungarians. One member of the division remembers “Already the days of our Berlin wondering merge into my memories, aerial alerts, refuges, ruins, carcasses. In the beginning in the air raid shelters civilians talked, hoping Weng (actually Wenck) would liberate Berlin. I saw one newspaper with an article by Goebbels (maybe his last) saying that Berlin was German and German it will stay. We were strolling in the city centre already (…..) it would be necessary to get to the west, to fall into American captivity, we dreamed of this”.

Else where the Hungarian SS panzerhunter-formations (the re named attack artillery section) retraining slowly progresses. They have just one experience of live firing with the Jagdpanzer 38(t) tank hunter. The Officers from one company are taken to the Skoda factory, which is close to Beneschau to see Hetzers being made. A Hetzer turns up at the training camp. The mechanics struggle to get it into working order. Later with a German crew it is sent to fight in the defence of Berlin.

The Hungarian SS panzerhunter-formations still remains without vehicles, and so the company is supplied with personal infantryman weapons instead, later one Hetzer is hurriedly picked up, With a German officer in command it is assigned to a battalion.

April 15 1945: Over the next few days 25 SS Division ,,Hunyadi" receives German personal and assistance from “Kampfgruppe Siegling”
The members of the 25th Pioneer battalion from ,,Hunyadi" under Hauptsturmführer Miklos Keresztury should have rejoined the division around midnight but are forced to go to Passau.

April 16 1945: Remnants of ,,Hunyadi” and ,,Hungaria” start heading towards Steyr in Austria.

April 23 1945: Army group ‘Weichsel’ requests 1100 replacements from ,,Hunyadi” (100 for III SS Germanic Panzer corps, 500 for 11 SS panzer grenadier division ,,Nordland” and 500 for 23 panzer grenadier division ,,Nederland” ) but this is ignored.

imi
11-13-2012, 12:36 PM
April 28 1945: Armaments and material for the ,,Hunyadi” division consist of: 3781 K98k (out of this 250 with telescopic sights), 250 rifles, 2800 pistols, 300 MP-40’s, 50 light and, 25 heavy machine guns, 10 Gr.W.34 8cm mortars, 10 Gr.W.42 12cm mortars, 20 Infantry cannons, 10 PAK 40 7.5cm anti tank guns, 1800 panzerfaust’s, 50 panzershreks,4 Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer class tank hunters, 25 motorcycles, 19 personal automobiles, 55 freight automobiles, 3 RSO tractors, 3 8 tonnes and 3 18 tonnes tractors, 2500 bicycles, 52 field kitchens, 3 ovens and 16 other field items.

On or around this date approximately 1 000 men from the ,,Hunyadi” artillery and 61 grenadier regiment are called upon to help fight the Americans near Neustadt but this falls through and they return to the division after leaving their weapons (29) for the remaining German troops.

Around this date the Pioneers should have returned to SS 25 ,,Hunyadi” however American troops approach Regensburg and Passau. The German commander of Passau demands the blowing up of locks and the city bridges. The Americans threaten the city. The German commander (Brigadier General Hassenstein) wants the Hungarians Pioneers to stay in the city and help protect it. The Hungarian commander however wants the unit to leave the region. Hassenstein on hearing this uses field police to prevent the Hungarians from leaving and threatens court marshals. The SS 25 (1. Hungarian) Waffen-Alarm battalion stays in the city and blows up the main bridges in Passau. When the siege ends the battalion commander orders the equipment (pontoons, motor vehicles etc) to be destroyed. Later the formation flame-throwers are distributed. Later the Pioneer detachment begins its breakout attempt.

April 30 1945: the main part of ,,Hunyadi” is cut off from the control of SS Headquarters in Berlin and becomes under the Hungarian Ministry of Defense which is part of the exiled Hungarian Government.

End April 1945: Szálasi instructs Ruszkay and Grassy to surrender to the American forces.

Early May: The ,,Hunyadi” division battle group which has been travelling from Denmark is in Berlin near to the Brandenburg gate and the Spree. They move near the Reichstag to face more Russian divisions. Some men fall in the vicinity of the SS Headquarters at the corner of Berliner Strasse and the Kaiserallee. Some of the unit survives by getting out of the city by using the U-Bahn (Underground) but end up getting captured by the Russians. In the fighting 83 men (including 1 officer) die. 12 men (including 1 officer) are missing. (30)

May 1 1945: The bulk of the ,,Hunyadi" division is on Austrian territory.

May 2 1945: On the Day that Hassenstein commits suicide the Waffen Pioneer battalion break out from Passau towards Oberhausen. During the break out the 25th Waffen-Pioneer battalion suffers considerable losses. 350 men are killed and 71 are wounded.

According to one account the armament earmarked for the ,,Hunyadi” division was handed out, however the complete Hungarian volunteers store's had been allocated between the separate units so the divisions when drawn together never reached the combat readiness it may have attained. The XVII. Waffen-Armee-Korps der SS offers the surrender of the Hungarian Waffen-SS units under its command to the U.S. Forces.

May 2/3 1945: Arrangements are made for parts of the ,,Hunyadi" division to parade through Salzburg. (31)

May 3 1945: Men from I battalion, 61st Waffen Grenadier Regiment destroy 2/3 American tanks in the St Martin / Ried Im Innkreis area.

May 4 1945: Before the surrender arrangements could be completed, a Kampfgruppe from the ,,Hunyadi” division (along with some Austrian Hitlerjugend members) engage an American armoured force of Patton's 3rd US Army (32) near Timelkam in Austria and manage to knock out 5 American tanks, the Americans decide to withdraw, having no interest in taking further losses at this stage of the war.

May 5 1945: An American Captain in a jeep along with 2 armoured cars arrive in Attersee. He proceeds to the Divisional HQ and after saluting the guards at the door enters the room and enquires who is the commander. Gerő Temesváry answers in broken English that he is in command and when asked what is the name of the division replies "1st Hungarian Panzergrenadier division". He is then asked about the 'H' collar patch and what it stands for. He replies that it it stands for 'Hungarian' making no comment that the division is part of the SS. After the surrender agreement is finalised about 1/3 of the 25th SS Division ,,Hunyadi” surrender to the US 80th Infantry division (under McBride) part of US XXth Corps (under Walker) north of Salzkammergut near Lake Attersee in Austria The remainder of the Hungarian soldiers have intermingled with the Hungarian refugees. Many are rounded up in the following days.

May 3-7 1945: Between these dates the ,,Hunyadi" division receives it accomadation area's. These are Attersee, Buchberg, Seewalchen, Timelkam, Vöcklamarkt, Mösendorf, Pettinghofen, Lenzirg, Aurachkirchen, Gmunden, Gschwandt, Mühldorf & St Konrad.

May 7 1945: 1 + 2 regiments batteries move from Strans camp

May 8 1945: After being transported to the Graz region (where on the first night the German troops left leaving the Hungarians on their own) the attack artillery men march north – north-east towards the towns of Leoben, Gresten and Gaming struggling to avoid capture by the Russians. The formation stop at Waidhoven on the Ybbs and hear of the truce and that the Enns river will be the American-Russia border zone. The remnants of the SS 25 Artillery battalion (the SS 25 Waffen - tank hunter battalion) cross the Enns River near Garsten to the western bank and surrender to the American troops.

May 11 1945: A number of ,,Hunyadi” troops along with the remnants of 1st Hungarian Schi Battalion surrender to the Americans in the Attersee area.

September 19 1945: Hungarian soldiers captured in the battle for Berlin are allowed to go home.

September 23 1945: The officers headquarters is located in the old royal palace belonging to the Schaumburg-Lippe family. One of the children in the family becomes ill with typhus. A local Austrian doctor is called. He refuses to treat the child due to the familys links to Dr Gobbels. Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich on hearing of this sends a medical orderly from ,,Hunyadi" but unfortunately the child dies days later

imi
11-14-2012, 08:21 AM
Decoration of the hungarian Waffen SS Brigade "Ney" at Székesfehérvár january of 1945
http://www.hunyadi.co.uk/attachments/Image/Ney_SS_jani.jpg

imi
11-14-2012, 08:25 AM
Brigade ,,Ney"

Unit History

The origin of what will become SS Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is a Hungarian veterans association called “The Comradeship Federation of the Eastern Front”(KABSZ) formed in 1944 by veterans of the Don River army. The Director of the Association was Dr Bela Imredy Due to the Russians advancing into Transylvania some members of the KABSZ wished to be deployed to fight the Russians. Around 300 volunteers approach the Budapest Honved 1 Corps, 2 Army Corps of Székesfehérvár and Szombathely 3 Army Corps with no success.
October 6 1944: A single member of the KABSZ visits one of the leaders of the anti-German resistance and informs him that extreme elements of the KABSZ are preparing for a take-over in two days.

October 7 1944: A raid takes place on the KABSZ Vörösmarty street headquarters at dusk. The organisation's management escapes into the Swabian mountains however and places itself under SS protection.

October 8 1944: At the appropriate time, certain buildings would have had to be occupied, and the KABSZ organisation undertook an active part in the preparation of a take-over. The documents underpinning all these were stored at KABSZ headquarters and disappear on this day. In the following days the majority of the members of the KABSZ (some of them having already received German call-up papers) were informing each other about the situation, reporting to the SS

October 15 1944: A small unit of the members of the KABSZ (wearing SS uniforms but still wearing their death-head armbands) is involved in the German led coup. In doing so, the group led by Károly Ney is subordinated to the 22nd SS volunteer cavalry division ,,Maria Theresia” which temporarily encloses the castle

October 20 1944: An agreement is reached to permit veteran volunteers from the Comradeship to enlist into the Waffen SS via the SS-Ersatzkommando Ungarn (prior to this Szálasi had been approached but due to him wanting to use the veterans as a guard unit and the veterans wanting to fight no agreement was reached) . They are intended as replacements for 22. SS Cavalry Division ,,Maria Theresia”. The commander of the unit is Obersturmfuhrer Dr Karl Ney ( a lawyer and a Hussar reserve first lieutenant), the brigade adjutant is Obersturmfuhrer Lajos Koermendy-Wache. (4)

October 21 1944: The unit is issued with weapons at Veszprém

October 22 1944: The unit officially becomes part of 22. SS Artillery Regiment and becomes its security guard company.

October 30 1944: SS Brigade ,,Ney” reaches battalion size

November 1 1944: The new unit is sent to Bakonyer forest for formation and training (5) by Waffen-SS instructors speaking in Hungarian (these come from 2 SS division ,,Das Reich", 3 SS division ,,Totenkopf"" and 5 SS division ,,Viking")

November 17 1944: While the unit is training in Veszprém the Hungarian political leadership dissolves the KABSZ association which results in more volunteers going to Sur

December 24 1944: The number of men increases to regiment size.(approximately 1600 men)
Order of battle

HQ Company

I Infantry Battalion
II Infantry Battalion
Supply Company

imi
11-14-2012, 08:26 AM
December 25 1944: Due to 22 SS Division ,,Maria Theresia” being cut off in Budapest the unit is assigned to IV SS Panzer Corps (6)

December 28/29 1944: According to one source one of the battalions of kampfgruppe ,,Ney” under the command of SS-Obersturmführer Gyula Dömötör is transported to Balatonakarattya from the Hajmáskér parade ground, where it is to help both the Hungarian 25. Infantry division and the German III. Panzer corps.

January 1 1945: Regimental strength is approximately 2 000 men. Two battalions from the kampfgruppe take part in Operation Konrad I & II to help relieve Budapest (7) (this continues until January 12 1945)

January 8 1945: From 23.00 Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is assigned to 1st Panzer Division. (8)

January 11 1945: A third combat ready battalion reports for duty (9)

January 13 1945: kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is removed from the IV. SS Panzer Corps

January 18 1945: During Konrad III Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is split into 2 units. At dawn Battalions I and II are involved in the first wave of attacks in the Varpalota region along side the 1st Panzer Division (10) and III battalion (11) is assigned to the second wave in the Balatonkenese area. After heavy fighting a breakthrough is made near Retipuszta.

January 19 1945: Battalions I and II along with the rest of Kampfgruppe ,,Huppert” are involved in heavy fighting around Palmajor trying to advance to Sarszentmihaly.

January 20 1945: III Battalion numbering 400-420 men rise at 05.00 and by 07.00 after reaching their starting positions join in the attack and soon reaches Nadasladany and Szabadbattyan. By evening III Battalion along with Panzer Grenadier Regiment 1 have broken through the Russian lines at Edinapustza and crossed the Sarviz canal.Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is subordinated to the Hungarian units under the command of SS- Obersturmführer Levetzo Obersturmfuhrer Károly Ney does not take a part in the manoeuvre as a commander

January 21 1945: Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” and Panzer Grenadier Regiment 1 takes part in the advance into Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg). At 20.00 Battalions I and II attack from the west and III Battalion attacks from the south (12) Kampfgruppe ,,Ney”takes part in heavy fighting in the Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) suburbs whilst trying to capture the town .At one point there is a danger that the SS battle group may be cut off as a force of 400-500 Russians advance approximately 500 metres on the right wing of SS Brigade ,,Ney” and comes close to Sárpentele behind them Artillery support is asked for on the radio and the German-Hungarian forces are pressed back into Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg),In the afternoon Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” becomes part of the Holste division group (13)

January 22 1945: SS Brigade ,,Ney” takes part in the capture of Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) and takes part in the mopping up operations. A resident remembered “ later a Hungarian military patrol came onto the refuge (around 12.30). On their left arm was a black band with a skull on (this was the armband of the KABSZ) After the salute he was told that their aim was to go to Fehervar by the coast of Lake Velence and along the main road to the capital”.
For the fighting on January 20/21 1945 Adolf Hilter gives permission for Kampfgruppe ,,Ney" to wear the cuff title "SS Regiment Ney"

January 23 1945: 1st Panzergrenadier Regiment withdraws from Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) leaving Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” and the 20th Hungarian Infantry Division to defend the area. (14) (This lasts until March 22) The bulk of Brigade ,,Ney “ returns to Sur leaving behind one battalion.A company of Hungarian airforce men are absorbed by SS Brigade ,,Ney”

January 25 1945: Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is assigned to the 356th Infantry division recently arrived from Italy. .Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is subordinated to I battalion of the Hungarian 4. Cavalry brigade inside the Holste’s division group.

January 26 1945: Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” takes part in an attack to extend their positions but they are driven back with heavy losses by the Russians.

January 27 1945: Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” as part of Holste’s division takes part in an attack that captures hill 182 and advances to the Nagyszombati road. (15) Due to the strength of the Russian forces it is not possible to hold this position for too long and the hill exchanges hands several times between now and the end of the fighting (around February 15)

January 28 1945: SS Brigade ,,Ney” fight in the Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) area under the IV. SS Panzer Army corps. It is supporting the 3. SS panzer division ,,Totenkopf” and does so until February 3

January 29 1945: SS regiment ,,Ney” comes under the direct subordination of the German 356th infantry division.In the few next days the regiment, as part of the IV. SS Panzer corps's divisions (together with the parts of the 1. SS Sturmjaeger regiment) attack from Székesfehérvár in a north north-east direction against the Russian forces.

January 31 1945: Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” along with Infantry Battalion 871 and Engineer Battalion 356 with support of tanks and infantry from 3. SS Division ,,Totenkopf” repulse a Russian advance to the north of Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg).

imi
11-14-2012, 08:28 AM
February 1 1945: The area defended by Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is further reinforced by troops from 3. SS Division ,,Totenkopf” and tanks from heavy tank detachment 509

February 2 1945: The Russians resume the earlier attack on the northern part of Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) in the area around the brick works.SS Brigade ,,Ney” to the east of Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) repulse a Soviet infantry attack.

February 3 1945: The German forces along with Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” counter attack the Russian positions driving them from the Csala area and occupying the munitions factory.What is left of the KABSZ organisation brakes with Szálasi and because of this Szálasi deprives Ney and his corps of their Hungarian citizenship.(A courier from Szálasi had arrived earlier at Ney’s command post with a written command and had handed it to Ney. The command told Ney that his unit was fighting illegally, and had to march in to the Honvéd Ministry in Koszeg because of this, if they did not they would deprive Ney’s regiment of their Hungarian citizenship. Ney denied this pointing out the German-Hungarian treaty)

February 4 1945: The Russian attack has been stopped and driven back to the original defensive lines.

February 5 1945: Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is designated as a reserve unit of IV SS Panzer Corps and is withdrawn to Sur for rest and reforming (around this time a company of Air force personnal joins the Brigade). The unit is reorganised as a cavalry/re-enforced mounted regiment and is now called SS Cavalry Brigade ,,Ney” (mostly referred to as SS Brigade ,,Ney”) (16)

The Kampfgruppe’s Order of battle at this time was: (17)

Staff Headquarters

Interpreter Platoon

Signals Platoon

Motorcycle Platoon

Field Gendarmarie Platoon

Staff Security Company

Supply Platoon (partly motorised, partly horse drawn)

I Battalion (Mounted Detachment)

II Battalion (Mounted Detachment)

III Battalion (Mounted Detachment)


February 27 1945: In recognition of SS regiment Ney’s successful action , at the IV. SS Panzer Army corps's command post members of the regiment are awarded 12 Iron cross II. Class, and three Iron cross I class. Dr. Ney Károly is promoted to SS-Sturmbannführer

March 1 1945: USAAF 15 Squadron, which is stationed in Italy with 630 airplanes, attacks near Vienna at Moosbierbaum. Whilst passing over Hungary one B-24 Liberator type four-engine bomber is shot down and crashes near Ácsteszér parish border around 14.00(five B-24 Liberators are reported lost.). Eight crewmen parachute out and land approximately 4,5 kilometres from Sur were SS Brigade ,,Ney” is stationed and are caught by soldiers of SS Brigade ,,Ney”.Later three airmen are taken to the Germans at Kisbér.

March 3 1945: The other five American airmen along with four Hungarian civilians are charged with spying.

March 4 1945: Winklemann issues a statement (tgb.nr.45(?)/45g) announcing among other things the following:

1 - SS Brigade Ney is to become a special unit of the Reichfuhrer as the Hungarian government refuses to reconize the unit
2 - The regiment is to be manned by volunteers only
3 - the publishing of promotional material (posters, newspaper adverts, etc) is forbidden
4 - the unit is granted permission to use the greeting 'Harc' (from the KABSZ) (Harc means fight/battle)
5 - it is promised that whatever equipment is procured for the unit (which is fitting out in Alsóság and in Sahhegy) then it shall be provided

March 6 1945: A Kampfgruppe of about battalion strength from. Brigade ,,Ney” takes part in Operation Spring Awakening.

March 13 1945: SS Brigade ,,Ney” soldiers execute the airmen in Crow forest near Súr and bury their corpses at the same place. A local resident recalls "[the prisoners], were kept in the castle, and Protestant schools around Sur. The prisoners had two of their legs broken. Among them were two officers, one a lieutenant. The prisoners were interrogated and beaten for days by the gendarmes and forced to testify. Later, two prisoners and two of the officers were taken (3 airmen were actually taken) to Kisber. Six soldiers (four men and two NCO’s) took part. (...) Before the Execution of the prisoners they were stripped naked. Four prisoners were apparently Catholic because they crossed themselves and were praying. The fifth was a Jew. The prisoner turned his back on one of the executed before the eyes of the rest. The execution was carried out by 4-5 infantry with a machine gun weapon. The tomb was not marked

March 14 1945: Operation Spring Awakening comes to a halt (19). The Russians begin to counter attack to the north of Székesfehérvár (Stuhlweissenburg) towards Mor and Tatabanya intending to cut of the 6th SS Panzer army. To counter this a kampfgruppe is assembled from IV SS Panzer Corps reserves. (20)

Mid March 1945: The brigade continues to form with the addition of a reconnaissance detachment and IV Battalion ,,Imrady” (21) (Reconnaissance/Fusilier battalion) (22) The unit also receives its official title from SS-FHA of 1.(ungarische) – Husaren – Brigade der SS

March 17 1945: Order Number 529/1945 makes the KABSZ organisation cease to exist.

March 18 1945: between 18.00 and 19.00 Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” in support of troops from ,,Totenkopf” and the remnants of the 2nd Hungarian Panzer Division (23) retake the defensive lines lost earlier south-west of Bodajk. SS Brigade ,,Ney” is now combined with the survivors of 2nd Hungarian Panzer Division to form Kampfgruppe ,,Schell” under Oberst Zoltan Schell.

March 19 1945: Due to the Russian advance Kampfgruppe ,,Schell” retreats towards Aka-Sur.

March 21 1945: Due to further Russian advances Kampfgruppe ,,Schell” withdraws to a line that runs from Acsteszer-Csatka-Csatarpuszta-Szapar-Inotapuszta.

March 22 1945: During the evening Kampfgruppe ,,Schell” falls back again to the ,,Klara Positions” between Veszpremvarsany and Lokut.

March 26 1945: After 4 days of bitter fighting the Russians have reach Cselldomolk and secured a bridgehead across the Marcel Canal. SS Brigade ,,Ney” are the nearest troops and in the afternoon launch a counterattack and stop the Russian advance.

March 27 1945: The retreating III. Battalion is removed from the bulk of SS Brigade ,,Ney” in the Papa area and the battalion is assigned to the I. SS Panzer Army corps's 3. SS division ,,Totenkopf “ battle group and III Battalion remains with ,,Totenkopf” until the end of the war.

March 29 1945: SS Brigade ,,Ney” (now consisting of battalions I., II and IV). is in Rohonc, Gyepüfüzes and then, finally, in the Felsoor area.. The bulk of SS Brigade ,,Ney” is attached to Kampfgruppe ,,Schweitzer” (24) at this time, while a small section is assigned to support a Hungarian fortress battalion.

March 30 1945: Part of Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” is under the command of the 2nd Hungarian Armoured Division (25) to the south of Neusiedler See. The Russians reach the Reich Defence Positions (Reichschutzstellung)and SS Brigade ,,Ney” takes up new positions around Rechnitz and Oberwart. The remnants of Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” withdraw towards the Austrian border. They are split between III Panzer Corps/6th Army and I SS Panzer Corps/6th Panzer Army. (26)

April 1 1945: Some portions of Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” and the headquarter staff are stationed in the ,,Fortress Stelermark” area along the Duernback-Szombathely road. (27)

April 1/2 1945: I battalion as part of Kampfgruppe ,,Schweitzer” retakes Rechnitz taking heavy casualties.

April 4 1945: I Battalion along with the rest of Kampfgruppe ,,Schweitzer” retreat from Rechnitz.

April 5 1945: Kampfgruppe ,,Schweitzer” and I battalion become part of Kampfgruppe ,,Semmer” near Friedberg in Austria (28) 2 battalions ( II and IV) from SS Brigade ,,Ney” serve with III Panzer Corps (this continues until April 8 1945)

April 9 1945: IV Battalion is serving with IV SS Panzer Corps around St Michael. Other parts of Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” are attached to ,,Viking” Division and also to the 1st Volks Mountain Division.

imi
11-14-2012, 08:28 AM
April 21 1945: .Kampfgruppe ,,Ney”consists of IV. battalions – it has 4211 men at this time, of which 3100 men were classed as combat troops (29) The kampfgruppe has the following equipment: 2660 Mauser Kar 98k, 91 Mauser Kar 98k with telescope sights, 342 9 mm MP–40, 531 various pistols, 73 machine guns (MG–42), 17 heavy machine guns, 21 armour-piercing cannon (7,5 cm PaK 40), 34 mortars, 15 Panzershreks, 331 Panzerfaust, five flamethrowers, 1207 handled hand-grenades and 125 anti personnel mines. The kampfgruppe also as the following vehicles: seven armoured cars (Sd. Kfz. 223); 11 lorries (3,5 ton Opel Blitz) nine automobiles, 53 vehicles and 141 horses. Kampfgruppe/Brigade ,,Ney” has suffered losses so far of 770 dead and 94 men are classed as missing. The estimated numbers of Russian tanks destroyed were approximately 50.

The Kampfgruppe’s Order of battle at this time is:

Staff Headquarters

Interpreter Platoon

Signals Platoon

Motorcycle Platoon

Field Gendarmerie Platoon

Staff Security Company

Supply Platoon (partly motorised, partly horse drawn)

I Battalion (Reconnaissance/Fusilier battalion) (Hauptsturmfuhrer K.F ?)

II Battalion (Reconnaissance/Fusilier battalion) (Hauptsturmfuhrer N.I ?)

III Battalion (Reconnaissance/Fusilier battalion) (Hauptsturmfuhrer K.N ?)(30)

IV Battalion ,,Imrady” (Reconnaissance/Fusilier battalion) (Sturmbannfuhrer B.B ?)

III Battalion is serving with I SS Panzer Army fighting around Wiener Neustadt and Viennawhilst two battalions are serving with the III. Panzer army corp. With the Russian advance the command post of SS Brigade ,,Ney” moves to Birkfeld in Styr Austria



Early May 1945 (31): 2 companies from Brigade ,,Ney” fight in eastern Austria under Hauptsturmfuhrer Edui . Survivors of Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” refuse to be taken over by SS Division ,,Viking” and end up joining 25. SS Division ,,Hunyadi”.

May 8 1945: SS Brigade ,,Ney” is officially dissolved by its commanding office Obersturmbannfuhrer Dr Karl Ney in the Weiz, Birkfeld and St. Erhardt area. All stores, equipment and documents are destroyed. Approximately 1000-1200 men join one of the German VI army columns in the retreat.
May 9 1945: The survivors of Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” headquarters staff surrender to American forces along with other elements of the Hungarian SS in the Attersee area of Austria Also on this day In the Bruck area parts of Brigade ,,Ney” along with the 1. Hungarian SS ski battalion and parts of 5. ,,Wiking” SS panzer division retreating from Graz break through Russian lines to reach the American troops to surrender.

May 11 1945: Other elements of Kampfgruppe ,,Ney” surrender with elements of 25. Division ,,Hunyadi” in the Attersee area of Austria.

imi
11-14-2012, 08:32 AM
Hungarian units from the 1st Schi battalion
http://www.hunyadi.co.uk/attachments/Image/195mell3_1st_Schi_batt.jpg

imi
11-15-2012, 06:37 AM
Unit History

Early Autumn 1944: The training department of the Hungarian Ministry of Defence establishes a ski school at Rahó in the Carpathian mountains.Army border hunter and mountain formations are sent for training there. Joseph Zelko (1) is charged with completing the course. The ski school operations are, however, cut short due to the Carpathian Mountains being over run and soon moves back to Budapest. The course is limited to theoretical education only. The course consists of 1 000 people. The SS-Ersatzkommando Ungarn (SS Ersatzkommando Ungarn ,Abteilung B/I ,4a, Munkácsy Mihály u. 5-7) calls up 5 officers and 110 men (which include Zelko because of his German wife and maternal grandperants). The men protest to the Hungarian defence ministry. The men opt to continue the fight against the Russians and it asks the Hungarian Defence ministry to equip the unit as a mountain hunter battalion and let it be sent onto the front. The ministry does not allow this request referring to administrative reasons and weapon deficiencies. The debate drags on until October 15 1944

October 15 1944: Hungarian leader Admiral Hothy is deposed by a coup led by the Germans and is replaced by Hungarian Nazi leader Count Fernec Szalasi. Directly after Szálasi’s take-over, the Waffen-SS does take up the offer that the SS takes over the unit. The offer is voted for with a 97% majority. Some conditions were set at the same time: the corps's command language was to be Hungarian, The unit would only fight in Hungarian areas against the Russians, and the unit was to be treated equal with other SS corps. Zelkó also requests furthermore that Hungarian officers command the companies.

October 17 1944: 1st Hungarian Schi Battalion is formed. The battalion is classed as a “special troop” of the Reichfuhrer SS and not as a Waffen-Grenadier unit, this entitles the battalion to better equipment.



Commander – Obersturmfuhrer Josef Zelko



Unit structure when first formed



I Jaeger Company



II Jaeger Company



III Jaeger Company

IV Jaeger Company (heavy weapons)


October 18 1944: The battalion is outfitted and equipped by the Waffen – SS Replacement Commando in Budapest with SS Gerbirgsjaeger uniforms.

End of October 1944: The Hungarian Defence Ministry approve the special agreement.


November 10 1944: The Battalion is sent from Budapest by rail to the training camp at Neuhammer (2).


November 15 1944: Men from the ,,Hunyadi” division arrive at Neuhammer camp and end up in the same quarters as the men from 1st Schi battalion. The Germans at Neuhammer class all the Hungarians as part of the same unit.

November 22 1944: The battalion is broken up and the men are assigned to various units in the 25th SS Division ,,Hunyadi”.

November 24 1944: After 2 days of haggling Obersturmfuhrer Josef Zelko along with his adjutant (3) managers to get his 800 men back from the ,,Hunyadi” division and along with 1 000 Hungarian Troops which arrive over the next few days reforms the battalion.

November 26 1944: After more haggling Zelko recovers the equipment, which arrived with the 800 men, for use with the Schi battalion.


November 30 1944: The last of the 1 000 Hungarian troops arrive at Neuhammer

December 1 1944: There are 1 800 men in the 1st Schi battalion.

December 4 1944: Zelko splits the ‘battalion’ into 2 proper battalions. Each battalion has 4 companies with IV company being the heavy weapons company. I battalion is commanded by Hauptsturmfuhrer Laszlo Darvas and II battalion by Hauptsturmfuhrer Laszlo Zelko. (4)

December 5 1944: 1st Hungarian Schi Battalion is issued with weapons in Bad Saarow.Although Zelkó is an Obersturmfuhrer he supposedly bribes the German warehousemen and they secure better quality equipment. I battalion's first three companies equally share nine MG–42 machine guns, in a company two sections are issued Sturmgewehr–44, while the others are issued K98k. 4. Company (heavy weapons) are issued nine MG–42 machine guns, 6 8 cm Gr.W.34 medium mortars and four 7,5 cm Geb. G36/43 L18-5 Mountain cannons. They were also issued clothing (winter camouflage) and equipment.

December 7 1944: 1st Hungarian Schi battalion commences training at Neuhammer.

February 9 1945: The Russian’s advance on Neuhammer camp. After a request by Corps Gruppe ,,Friedrich” to Oberst Hoffman an Alarm company is formed from the 1st Schi battalion, (5) this consists of 220 (6) men (including a 3 gun Pak 40 anti tank platoon) to help defend the camp. In the "Alarm Schi Kompanie" were 90 men forming a company, 21 Germans who found their selfs in the Alarm Kompanie, 20 men (including cooks) from the staff at Neuhammer camp (commanded by a reserve Captain) and between 15 and 25 men in a medical unit which consisted of stretcher bearers, doctors and drivers (commanded by a captain) This led by Obersturmfuhrer Josef Gencsy. This Alarm Company takes up positions to the south of the Breslau – Berlin autobahn near Gross-Goellmisch. A round mid-day the Schi Alarm battalion repulses a Russian attack. Around 14.00 hours the Alarm battalion takes up positions near to Nitschenkau

February 10 1944: The 1st Schi battalion (except for the Alarm section) leave Neuhammer on foot bound for Austria.

February 11 1944: The 1st Schi Alarm battalion moves positions to the north-west of Nitschkenau. During the day the battalion sees heavy fighting against Russian infantry and armour. In the area around Huehner Berg and Krainch See the battalion destroys 11 Russian tanks in the fighting over February 11/12. By late afternoon the Alarm battalion withdraws under heavy Russian pressure. The battalion withdraws to a point between Huehner Hill and Lake Kranich. During this withdrawal the battalion loses its entire anti tank guns. Also during the retreat part of the battalion gets separated and ends up defending in the Eichberg area. This section is wiped out in fighting with the Russians.

February 12 1945: The Alarm battalion withdraws through the Klitschdorfer Heath to Lorenzdorf. It is engaged in heavy fighting for the next couple of days and is slowly wiped out. Only Hauptsturmfuhrer Gencsy (7) and 8 other soldiers survive the fighting without being wounded. (8)



February 14 1945: The main body of 1st Schi battalion reaches Tetschen – Bodenbach. It is transported by rail to Leoben in Austria.




February 16 1945: The transporting of the battalion to Leoben is completed.

February 20 1945: The survivors of the 1st Schi Alarm battalion rejoin the main body of the battalion. II battalion is sent to the High Mountain Troop Training Grounds (,,Seetaler Alp”) near Judenberg in Austria. Parts of the 13 SS Gebirgsjaeger Division ,,Handshar" are also at the training camp.

February 25/26 1945: 1 500 men from a Hungarian Mountain brigade who has been shattered in combat near Gyor in Hungary are absorbed into the 1st Schi battalion (the men are in Mosonszentjános and Mosonszentpéter) . After being supplied with uniforms and equipment from the SS supply depot at Dachau the men make up most of a new III battalion which is commanded by Hauptsturmfuhrer Gencsy.

February 27 1945: III battalion is sent to ,,Seetaler Alp”

March 25 1945: The battalion comes under joint Hungarian Ministry of Defence and SS-Headquarters common command


March 27 1945: Order of Battle



Unit structure (approximately 3 000 men)



Staff – FP 64 206



Translator’s platoon



Signal’s platoon



Motorcycle messenger platoon



Field police platoon

Staff security platoon

Supply troops – none



I Ungarische SS Gebirgsjaeger Battalion FP 64 206 A

Commander Hauptsturmfuhrer Laszlo Darvas

I company



II Company

III Company

IV Company (Heavy weapons)

II Ungarische SS Gebirgsjaeger Battalion FP 64 206 B



Commander Sturmbannfuhrer Laszlo Zelko



I company



II Company



III Company

IV Company (Heavy weapons)





III Ungarische Gebirgsjaeger Battalion FP 64 206 C



Commander Hauptsturmfuhrer Josef Gencsy



I company



II Company



III Company

IV Company (Heavy weapons)

imi
11-15-2012, 06:39 AM
April 17 1945: All 3 battalions are sent by truck from Graz to the St Margarethen on the Raab area. They are placed under IV SS Panzer Corps command. (15) On route (near Fronleiten) a half company (about 140 men) (16) from 1st Schi battalion is sent to help the Hungarian “Assault Group Ghyczy” at Pfaffensattel. (17)

April 18 1945: 1st Schi battalion fights with the 5th SS division ,,Viking”. This continues until 10th May 1945. (18) ,,Gruppe Lenk” ( part of 1st Hungarian Sturmjaeger Regiment) comes under the control of 1st Hungarian Schi battalion.

May 10 1945: Finding itself in Russian held territory (along with some elements of the 5th SS division ,,Viking”) the 1st Schi battalion and ,,Viking” breakthrough the Russian lines (19) and head towards the Attersee region to meet up with other elements of the various Hungarian SS units assembled there. Some of the Schi division along with elements of the ,,Saint Laszlo” division surrender to the British at Klangenfurt.

May 11 1945: After a long march about 1 500 men of the 1st Schi battalion along with elements of 25th SS division ,,Hunyadi” surrender to the Americans. Most of the battalion staff personal after proceeding to Leoben are captured by the Russians. Other elements of the 1st Schi battalion are captured by the Russians around Trofaiach.

imi
11-22-2012, 11:31 AM
March of the Waffen SS "Hunyadi" Division
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJks51RVykA

imi
11-22-2012, 11:35 AM
Alarm Battalion

The Alarm Regiment & The battle for Neuhammer


February 4 1945: The sounds of battle are heard for the first time at Neuhammer camp and SS Obergruppenfuhrer Grassy order’s a defensive line around Neuhammer and place’s the most experienced troops (some equipped with panzerfaust’s) in a semi-circle between the Neuhammer camp and the Russians. The defensive line (parts of which are in wooded area's) lies on the banks on the Bober river. 10 lorries from Waffen Kraftfahr kompamie der SS 25 ferries men on a daily basis to the front line to replace men who had been at the front.
February 5 1945: To allow time for ,,Hunyadi" and ,,Hungaria" to withdraw so the 2 divisions can carry on equiping and building SS Obergruppenfuhrer Grassy order’s that the two divisions (25th and 26th) should form one corps. “Hunyadi” first chief of staff officer Waffen – Standartenfuhrer Adam Podhradszky informs Waffen – Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich (previously with SS 63 Waffen-grenadier battalion) to organise it. Peinlich was doubtful if this was possible considering the shortage of equipment. Eventually the best units from 25 SS division ,,Hunyadi” and 26 SS division ,,Hungaria” (mainly the 61 & 64 regiments (1)) forms the ,,Hungarian SS Alarm regiment”under the command of Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich. (2)


February 6 1945: The "Ungarisches Waffen Alarm Regiment der SS" comes into existance this numbers 2600 men with 2450 men in 4 battalions (apporoximately 600 per battalion) and 150 men in the Headquarters Staff
Alarm Commander: Standartenfuhrer Bela Peinlich (25 SS ,,Hunyadi")

(Military operations) Chief Officer (Ib): Hauptsturmfuhrer Janos Zoltay (26 SS ,,Hungaria")
Second Staff Officer (IIA): Obersturmfuhrer Ulvetsky (??)
Regimental Staff :-
HQ Staff troops
Signals platoon
Motorcycle Messenger platoon
Field Police platoon
Staff Security platoon
Mortar platoon (armed with 6 81mm motors)
Medical platoon with field dressing station


SS I Waffen – Alarm battalion: Waffen - Hauptsturmfuhrer Erno Solti (25 SS ,,Hunyadi")

SS II Waffen – Alarm battalion: Waffen - Hauptsturmfuhrer Alajos Duska (25 SS ,,Hunyadi")

SS III Waffen – Alarm battalion: Waffen - Hauptsturmfuhrer Geza Pataki (26 SS ,,Hungaria")

SS IV Waffen – Alarm battalion: Waffen - Hauptsturmfuhrer Gyorgy Hermandy – Berencz (26 SS ,,Hungaria")

The 4 companies (the heavy weapons are shared equally) are allocated 2 000 rifles, 70 machine pistols, 4 heavy machine guns, 21 light machine guns, as well as approximately 50 panzerfausts and 500 - 1000 grenades and around 100 mortar shells. Each soldier is given approximately 200 rounds of ammunition.

I and II battalions are mostly from ,,Hunyadi” and III and IV are mostly from ,,Hungaria”

Due to the fact it is only a temporary unit the Alarm Regiment has no resupply capability. No field kitchens are available so all rations are issued cold. A small 13 man 4/5 truck supply column from ,,Hunyadi” (Waffen Versorgungs regiment der SS 25) is on hand for emergency purposes (this 12 man team is commanded by Sturmbannfuhrer Denes Exerde)

The battalions are not fully equipped and have only 3 days training at Neuhammer. They are regarded as being ready for holding the Russian advance. The Alarm Battalion is left behind as an insurance with sufficient food and ammunition to cover the withdrawal of the rest of the ,,Hunyadi” and ,,Hungaria” divisions as with the speed of the Russian advance it is decided to move the divisions

The Alarm formation is told that all Hungarian formations at Neuhammer are to be evacuated. The Alarm unit’s temporary commander is Obergruppenfuhrer Grassy and he give’s the order that within 2 hours the unit is to be ready to move out. Some of the troops move to the Strans camp complex because of this the ,,Hungaria” fire regiment commander Waffen – Scharfuhrer Bizco is sent to Neuhammer even though it is being evacuated.

imi
11-22-2012, 11:37 AM
February 6 1945: The ,,Hunyadi” division make quarters in the area around Oldenburg and Kloppengurg. Standartenfuhrer Jeno Temesvary Galgoc takes over command of 61 regiment. The Hungarian divisions leave on time. Approximately 55 000 – 60 000 soldiers are to be evacuated from Neuhammer and Osszesen camps.


February 7 1945: The remaining units of the ,,Hunyadi” divisionmove out of Neuhammer camp and move approximately 50 kilometres to the south to the Deutschgabel area in order to develop new barracks. It had been decided during the previous German-Hungarian meeting that 4 divisions were to be sent to the area so sufficient stores were brought in.


February 8 1945: The Alarm regiment gradually occupies a defensive line on the Strans part of the camp on the training centres eastern part, facing eastwards on the western bank of the River Bobo. I battalion takes up positions on the left wing in and around Oberleschant including the railway line. They have a front that stretches to south of the town of Buchwald. III battalion secure’s the right wing from Strans to the Wenigtreben \ Luisenthal area. In the north the Alarm regiment is joined for one week only by a German-Russian battle group which includes a group led by Andrej Andrejevics Vlaszov. Between I and III battalions is II battalion, which is the main defensive position, which goes from just south of Buchwald and centres mainly on the Strans training headquarters. IV battalion under Hauptsturmfuhrer Gyorgy Hermandy – Berencz are still training at Neuhammer camp and are held in reserve there along with an Estonian kampfgruppe (3)(actually the SS 20 panzer grenadier regiment commanded by Obersturmbannfuhrer Emil Rehfeld) and also the 1 SS Hungarian Ski battalion kampfgruppe commanded by Obersturmfuhrer Gencsy . (4) Neither the Estonian nor Hungarian Ski kampfgruppe’s are under the command of Peinlich and this later cause’s problems.The Alarm regiment defends a front between Oberleschent and Wenigtreben of almost 12 kilometres. The regimental headquarters is located at Strans camp. From this headquarters telephone lines are laid to each of the frontline battalions.

February 9 1945: In the morning I battalion sends out hourly reconnaissance patrols to locate the Russian positions. At 1000 a platoon sized outpost from I battalion based around the village of Armadebrunn (approximately 9 kilometres east of the I battalion’s defensive line) reports sighting a Russian reconnaissance patrol approaching the village in strength, the outpost troops are ordered to fall back to Oberleschant on the West Bank of the river and after a short skirmish reach Oberleschant without casulaties. In the afternoon the complete Alarm regiment arrives to meet the advanced Russian formations. 1 battalion occupies an area close to Neuhammer near Oberleschent, which they think is the main Russian thrust as it was directly north of the highway but they fail to realise that the Russians are advancing from the south west from Buchwald and have set up a bridgehead on the western bank of the River Bober. Zoltay tries to get extra equipment for the Alarm Regiment from ,,Hunyadi” and ,,Hungaria” but fails. (5) At 1200 hrs shells start landing on Strans camp and at 1500 hrs the Russians attack with an advance on the Oberleschent railway station which results in heavy close combat. I battalion knocks out 2 Russian tanks before finally giving up ground at around 1800hrs. During the night the Russians cross the river in force and set up a bridgehead.

On the right wing of the Alarm regiment the soviets attack successfully and capture a bridge at Urbanstreben that had not been destroyed to allow troops on the eastern bank to withdraw.. III battalion is hit hard. The company on the far right flank is isolated around the village of Luisenthal. The Russians lauch an attack across the river with the aid of boats and create a bridgehead. In the afternoon about 150 men from the SS 20 Waffen Grenadier arrive at Neuhammer to help III battalion but they do not take part in any fighting. The Ski Alarm Company takes up positions to the south of the Breslau – Berlin autobahn near Gross-Goellmisch. A round mid-day the Schi Alarm battalion repulses a Russian attack. Around 14.00 hours the Alarm battalion takes up positions near to Nitschenk
Peinlich decides that a counter attack is needed to help relieve the presure on the Alarm Battalion. Eventually Rehfeld agrees to the attack. The Estonians are chosen to lead the attack mainly due to their equipment and armament (they are equipped with winter clothing).

imi
11-22-2012, 11:40 AM
February 10 1945: By 0530 hrs III battalion has suffered heavy losses and is trying to defend the area to the north of Buchwead. After calling for re-enforcement’s 3 Estonian companies are sent to the front (1 to help III battalion and 2 to help II battalion) At 06.00 the SS 20 Waffen-grenadier (Estonian) kampfgruppe at last advance to the II battalion’s frontline, which is in Strans. The Estonian kampfgruppe is 300 - 350 strong (each man as 2/3 grenades). They have to cross the long bridge, which crosses the river Bobo. 3 Hungarian SS combat engineers accompany the Estonian attack to help remove anti personal mines that had been laid by Hungarian pioneers earlier and help cut the barbed wire barriers. During the advance Peinlich and his staff climb onto the roof of a house in Strans and watch the attack. The removing of the mines and cutting of the wire takes 13 - 15 minutes and when completed a torch signal is used to start the attack. Around 100 soldiers take part in the 2nd wave. The advance starts without any artillery barrage. After an advance of 500 – 600 metres and the retaking of the villages of Kochnicht and Holgerei the advance is halted. A tank company (consisting of 11 tanks including 2 Sherman's) is spotted by II battalion command post This was expected to be a German column that was rumoured to be retreating towards Strans however Peinlich and the observers soon realise that the columns are in fact Russian columns . The Russians with strong armour and infantry units attack on both sides of the highway, attacking both the Estonian Alarm regiment and the bridgehead and push the Estonia Kampfgruppe behind the Hungarian lines. The dead and most of the wounded are captured by the Russians. About half of the Estonian troops who arrive back at the Hungarian lines are wounded in some way. At about 0730 hrs the Russians open fire on Strans camp with katyusha rockets, shortly the Russians attack III battalion on the right wing where Hungarian and Estonian soldiers are asked to holdout. Ammunition runs low and the Hungarians resort to using Russian weapons and ammunition taken from dead bodies. By nightfall the Russians have completely surrounded the defensive positions of III battalion. III battalion breaks out of the encirclement suffering losses.. I Battalion by this time have taken heavy casualties. Its commander Hauptsturmfuhrer Solti and the whole battalion staff are killed in close combat.(6) By nightfall both I and III battalions withdraw under Russian pressure and eventually reform near the river Queis and their earlier positions are occupied by the Russians. Around Strans the flank of II battalion are unprotected and so Standartenfuehrer Peinlich orders the reserve IV battalion to be deployed


February 11 1945: It is reported to regimental headquarters that isolated pockets from III battalion are fighting down to the last bullet with the wounded prefering suicide to being captured At 0800 hrs Russian scout troops are reported west of regimental HQ. At the same time Strans camp comes under heavy bombardment. At 0840 IV battalion is alerted to be ready to move out. It is transported by lorry to Koberbrunn to be reorganised into operational formation. It has used its 3 days at Neuhammer well, with extra training and extra equipment such as new uniforms, Hungarian issue helmet netting and extra radios. IV battalion is split into 2 assault groups with a weak company of support troops (7). In the course of the day (around 1100 hrs) 4-5 lorries from the ,,Hunyadi” supply regiment headed by Denes Exterde (he was a cavalryman with the rank of Sturmbannfuhrer) (8) go to Neuhammer camp for ammunition (9), after encountering some problems they return to Strans camp. Whilst at the camp getting the ammunition the Russians launch an attack on Strans and over 600 Russians are killed (around 1400 Russians are killed in the fighting around Strans and Buchwald) (Due to lack a of weapons and ammunition members of the Alarm Regiment use weapons and ammunition taken from dead Russians to use in the fighting). The 1st Assault Company is ordered to attack the Russian bridgehead on the West Side of the Bobo River opposite II battalion’s weak positions. II battalion was ordered not fire in case they hit their own men in the Assault Company. II battalion was to act in support after the 1st Assault Company had reached its objectives. The 2nd Assault Company was to attack at the same time from the south. The 2 assault companies leave behind their overclothes and wear a sleeveless sheepskin jacket to allow better movement and their helmets are disguised. The attack occurs at 1200 hrs and the 1st Assault Company (using only bayonets and hand grenades) overruns the first Russian positions. They become pinned down by Russian machine guns. 5 sharp shooters had been sent in support of the attack and they swiftly kill the Russian gunners, the advance continues and the 1st assault group from IV battalion advance 3kms within an hour and enter Strans town. There the II battalion and the newly arrived IV battalion engage in serious street fighting. At 1315 the Russians launch a massive artillery barrage which lasts approximately 10 minutes. Lacking artillery pieces the Hungarians replied with a mixed barrage of hand grenades and mortars.(10) Hermandy and his troops attack and fight their way into the town. After 30 minutes hard fighting (including hand to hand fighting using entrenching tools and bayonets) both elements of the Assault Company link up in the town centre. II Battalion advances and clears up bypassed Russian positions. At 13.45 Regimental HQ is informed that Strans has been retaken.. 47 men from the Assault Company had been killed and 80 wounded in the fighting for Strans. At around 13.00 a lorry with SS number plates arrives and its load of anti tank weapons aresplit between II and IV battalions.

I, II and IV battalions are now surrounded on 3 sides with only the neck at Neuhammer still open. III battalion position is unknown as contact has been lost but it turns out to be still fighting in fragments to the south-west. The drivers on their return join the fighting, they are later killed. Sometime after 14.00 the Russians once again bombard Strans camp setting several buildings alight. The ammunition supply improves as a result of a delivery (at 16.00 a lorry arrives filled with anti tank weapons – panzerfaust’s and crates of other ammunition) and they are able to hold the Russian attacks. Also at 16.00 a German Officer arrives at Koberbrunn and introduces himself to Standartenfuhrer Peinlich. The Officer praises the Hungarians for their actions and asks that the Alarm Regiment holds the Russians at bay for one more day stating that the requested German armour support will not be appearing. At 16.25 II battalion under Hauptsturmfuhrer Alajos Duska (after borrowing ammunition from regimental staff so low was their supplies) attack a small Russian patrol. At 16.30 a German officer order’s the stores in the Strans camp to be destroyed. At 17.00 the first sections start reporting a shortage of ammunition. Under cover of darkness 4 trucks carry 120 wounded back to Neuhammer camp.(11) At 19.30 a strong Russian attack is launched against the elements of the Alarm regiments positions in Strans. Within minutes IV battalion destroy 3 Russian tanks. At regimental Headquarters 100 men are given the task of retrieving as many weapons as possible from the bodies of dead Russians (12). Regimental headquarters withdraw to new positions at Koberbrunn along with a large number of lightly wounded soldiers. This withdrawal is cover by II battalion under Hauptsturmfuhrer Duska. Once at Koberbrunn headquarters learn that III battalion is engaged in a fighting retreat due south of Koberbrunn. Shortly after it is learnt that 15 Hungarian SS men are with an Estonia unit 250 meters to the south. At Koberbrunn Hungarian Feld gendarmes and 70 wounded are formed into a Alarm guard by Peinlich.

royal744
01-31-2013, 03:30 PM
Mein Gott, dass is mehr als genug uber Budapest!

imi
02-20-2013, 03:47 AM
Photos from Budapest then and now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGsCYHTV2wk

flamethrowerguy
02-20-2013, 07:58 AM
Mein Gott, dass is mehr als genug uber Budapest!

Just skip this thread if it strains you.

imi
04-06-2013, 08:45 AM
'Leibstandarte' in Hungary 1941
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/LSSAH_Hungary.html
SS-Standartenführer Otto Skorzeny in Budapest
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/skorzenyin+budapest.html
Waffen SS Totenkopf troops in Hungary 1944
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/totenkopf+hungary.html

imi
04-06-2013, 08:51 AM
Grenadiers of the 3.SS-Panzer-Division Totenkopf take cover from incoming artillery.Hungary, March 1945.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/Grenadiers+of+the+3.html
Soldiers of 22.SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Division Maria Theresa in a street in Budapest. Hungary, October 1944
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/Soldiers+of+22.html
6th SS-Panzerarmee advancing in Hungary
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/KSK_148_3%23.html
German officers marvel at the skyline of Budapest/Hungary with the Danube River, May 1944.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/KSK_148_1.html

imi
04-06-2013, 08:55 AM
Troops of 8th SS-Cavalry Division ''Florian Geyer'' on their way to the front. Budapest/Hungary, January 1945.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/DlJdWSS_85_2%23.html
German Krad troops in Budapest
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/Deutsche+Truppen+an+der+Fischerbastei+in+Budapest. html
Grenadiers from 5.SS-Panzer-Division Wiking are penetrating deep into the Soviet defences through forest roads. Hungary, January 1945
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/Grenadiers+from+5.html

Robert the Bruce
06-19-2013, 11:05 AM
Troops from the Waffen SS "Maria Theresia" cavalry check the captured hungarian weapons
http://img0.tar.hu/tiger205/size2/73180789.jpg
Executed surrender Wehrmacht soldier
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/27051-5/Budapest
Surrender German troops
http://www.aviapress.com/book/mcs/mcs010_11.jpg
Feldherrnhalle Kőnigtiger II in the Castle of Buda
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/PzVIB/PzVIB_26.jpg
First image does not appear.

imi
06-23-2013, 03:56 AM
First image does not appear.

Sorry! Here is another link:

Troops from the Waffen SS "Maria Theresia" cavalry check the captured hungarian weapons
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7643/soldiersofmariatheresaimf2.gif

imi
10-29-2013, 12:48 PM
Aerial photos from US planes bombing of Budapest
http://dunaiszigetek.blogspot.hu/2012/06/langban-allo-dunai-szigettenger-archiv.html

imi
05-11-2014, 07:05 AM
Industrial area of Angyalföld after a saturation bombing in Budapest 1944
http://www.ww2incolor.com/updates?g2_itemId=805656

Kilroy
05-12-2014, 09:20 AM
Wasn't the fact that Hitler order to bomb the city that gave the edge for the Russians. SInce the city was so heavy bombed that there was rumble everywhere and the tanks couldn't advance and with that it was infantry vs infantry sort of battle ( for the most part if I stand correctly. Since the Russians where able to win the battle with the superior amount of troops and ( I am not so sure of this next part) thats about the time the t-34 was introduced to the front ....?

Sorry wrong thread.....

imi
08-05-2014, 12:49 PM
Close up photo from a Tiger II Königstiger turret and he crew at the Castle of Buda 1944
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-680-8282A-09,_Budapest,_Panzersoldaten_in_Panzer_VI_(Tiger_I I).jpg

Tiger II at the Castle of Buda
http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k603/dzsonyi01/Operation%20Panzerfaust/Bundesarchiv_Bild_BudapestKoumlnigstiger_zps342ba0 22.jpg

Two hungarian soldier with Panzerfausts after the breakout
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VaeU4K7UzkI/T6dFGi84ZfI/AAAAAAAAETY/etMUcq5h2m4/s640/WW2+Hungarian+Honveds+with+Panzerfaust_destroyed+R ussian+T-34+in+Budapest+-battles+ended+February+11th+1945.jpg

Red Army street fighting in Budapest. February 1945
http://i59.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/f6/6c224a9f920b9650f6ed7e90a6c92ef6.jpg

imi
10-13-2014, 10:44 AM
German newsreel about fights around Debrecen

Die Deutsche Wochenschau 1944 Debrecen I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTGIbtVaK4c

Die Deutsche Wochenschau 1944 Debrecen II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALET8FZk0Ko

imi
10-13-2014, 11:03 AM
German Newsreel about German counter attack in Hungary (from 04:29)

Die Deutsche Wochenschau 18.Januar 1945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeGAqPfEWA4

Kilroy
10-14-2014, 09:56 AM
Can't understand the video but I did learn two things from watching Propaganda for Germany and RACE CARS but on a seriously level the Germans where really good at "tricking" the public; though the last 2 months of the war nothing really worked at that point with Allied and Russian forces in Germany. Never the less some interesting film.

imi
10-14-2014, 12:41 PM
Can't understand the video but I did learn two things from watching Propaganda for Germany and RACE CARS but on a seriously level the Germans where really good at "tricking" the public; though the last 2 months of the war nothing really worked at that point with Allied and Russian forces in Germany. Never the less some interesting film.

just the usually inspiring speeches and information about the war and positions of the german forces and speak about military power and succes
In the reality the germans retreat and lost against the Russians, made small wins but the nazi media must show succes and power every media in the world shows propaganda
They only can raise the USSR forces and win small battles, but the Wehrmacht can't do offensive only defense operations at that time, the siege of Budapest was the last stand before Berlin

imi
10-14-2014, 12:43 PM
Images

Waffen SS blood type tattoos
http://forum.axishistory.com/files/bhftatt_201.jpg

http://thegaffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/rRhmgyJ.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8243/8518153479_53c3b1c3eb_z.jpg

http://reibert.info/attachments/s2-jpg.703335/

imi
10-15-2014, 10:21 AM
Images

The mass casualties of the breakout in the dowtown of Budapest after the breakout, note the corpse of a german Waffen SS Oberscharführer
http://i60.tinypic.com/206fpkj.jpg

German Waffen SS soldiers and the Hungarian regular army inform the civilian townpeoples the upcoming combat situation.
Place unknown, somewhere the area before the city Budapest
http://i60.tinypic.com/33xefqh.png

Combat in the air, at the hungarian lowlands, late 1944
http://i59.tinypic.com/hrgcxt.png

imi
10-15-2014, 11:12 AM
Images

Word War 2 grave found at Budapest in a construction site

http://oi59.tinypic.com/nd1mjs.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/33f9il3.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/wgvta9.jpg

imi
10-16-2014, 07:52 AM
Images

Hungarian MG 42 squad moving in the hungarian lowland 1944
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2t8n9.jpg

Hungarian soldier firing with MG42 machinegun
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2s7j8n7.jpg

Hungarian soldiers advancing near a road at the hungarian lowland 1944
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2jahk4n.jpg

imi
10-16-2014, 08:11 AM
Images

Arrow Cross Party (hungarian nazi party) members parade in the streets of Budapest after the Arrow Cross Party come into power in Hungary 1944
http://oi62.tinypic.com/23wlh0g.jpg

Arrow Cross Party occupy a house as one of their HQ 1944
http://oi61.tinypic.com/5os57q.jpg

Arrow Cross Party recruits get armed in a Arrow Cross Party owned house, under the check by german Waffen SS troop Budapest 1944
http://oi60.tinypic.com/28v3hc9.jpg

Allied bombings country towns
http://oi61.tinypic.com/nb6ark.jpg

imi
10-16-2014, 08:15 AM
Arrow Cross Party

The Arrow Cross Party (Hungarian: Nyilaskeresztes Párt – Hungarista Mozgalom, literally "Arrow Cross Party-Hungarist Movement") was a national socialist party led by Ferenc Szálasi, which led in Hungary a government known as the Government of National Unity from 15 October 1944 to 28 March 1945. During its short rule, ten to fifteen thousand people (many of whom were Jews) were murdered outright, and 80,000 people were deported from Hungary to their deaths in the Auschwitz concentration camp. After the war, Szálasi and other Arrow Cross leaders were tried as war criminals by Soviet courts.

Formation

Ministers of the Arrow Cross Party government. Ferenc Szálasi is in the middle of the front row.
The party was founded by Ferenc Szálasi in 1935 as the Party of National Will. It had its origins in the political philosophy of pro-German extremists such as Gyula Gömbös, who famously coined the term "national socialism" in the 1920s. The party was outlawed in 1937 but was reconstituted in 1939 as the Arrow Cross Party, and was said to be modeled fairly explicitly on the Nazi Party of Germany, although Szálasi often and harshly criticized the Nazi regime of Germany.[6] The iconography of the party was clearly inspired by that of the Nazis; the Arrow Cross emblem was an ancient symbol of the Magyar tribes who settled Hungary, thereby suggesting the racial purity of the Hungarians in much the same way that the Nazi swastika was intended to allude to the racial purity of the Aryans[citation needed]. The Arrow Cross symbol also referred to the desire to nullify the Treaty of Trianon, and expand the Hungarian state in all cardinal directions towards the former borders of the Kingdom of Hungary.

Ideology
The party's ideology was similar to that of Nazism, although a more accurate comparison might be drawn between Austrofascism and Hungarian fascism which was called Hungarism by Ferenc Szálasi – extreme nationalism, the promotion of agriculture, anti-capitalism, anticommunism and militant anti-Semitism. The party and its leader were originally anti-German, so it was a long and very difficult process for Hitler to compromise with Szálasi and his party. The Arrow Cross Party conceived Jews in racial as well as religious terms, although the necessary scientific capital for a widespread and elaborate program of eugenics simply did not exist in Hungary at the time. Thus, although the Arrow Cross Party was certainly far more racist than the Judeophobic Horthyite regime, whose antisemitism was based solely on Christian belief, it was still very different from the German Nazi Party. The Arrow Cross Party was pro-Catholic and its antisemitism had its origins in Christian belief. It was also more economically radical than other fascist movements, advocating worker rights and land reforms. In a sense, the Arrow Cross Party was more like Germany's NSDAP prior to the Night of the Long Knives when the socialist faction among the Nazis (led by Ernst Röhm) was murdered or subjugated.

imi
10-16-2014, 08:16 AM
Rise to power

A World War II propaganda poster for the party – the text reads "Despite it all..!"
The roots of Arrow Cross influence can be traced to the outburst of anti-Jewish feeling that followed the Communist putsch and brief rule in Hungary in the spring and summer of 1919. Some Communist leaders, like Tibor Szamuely, came from Jewish families, or like Béla Kun, its leader, who had a Jewish father and a Protestant Swabian mother, were considered to be Jews, and the failed and murderous policies of the Hungarian Soviet Republic came to be associated in the minds of many Hungarians with a "Jewish-Bolshevist conspiracy."

After the communist regime was crushed in August 1919, conservatives under the leadership of Admiral Miklós Horthy took control of the nation. Many Hungarian military officers took part in the counter-reprisals known as the White Terror – some of that violence was directed at Jews, simply because they were Jewish.[citation needed] Although the White Guard was officially suppressed, many of its most bloodthirsty members went underground and formed the core membership of a spreading nationalist and anti-Jewish movement.

During the 1930s, the Arrow Cross gradually began to dominate Budapest's working class district, defeating the Social Democrats. It should be noted, however, that the Social Democrats did not really contest elections effectively; they had to make a pact with the conservative Horthy regime in order to prevent the abolition of their party.

The Arrow Cross subscribed to the Nazi ideology of "master races" which, in Szálasi's view, included the Hungarians and Germans, and also supported the concept of an order based on the power of the strongest – what Szálasi called a "brutally realistic étatism". But its espousal of territorial claims under the banner of a "Greater Hungary" and Hungarian values (which Szálasi labelled "Hungarizmus" or "Hungarianism") clashed with Nazi ambitions in central Europe, delaying by several years Hitler's endorsement of that party.

The German Foreign Office instead endorsed the pro-German Hungarian National Socialist Party, which had some support among German minorities. Before World War II, the Arrow Cross were not proponents of the racial antisemitism of the Nazis, but utilized traditional stereotypes and prejudices to gain votes among voters both in Budapest and the countryside. However, the constant bickering among these diverse fascist groups prevented the Arrow Cross Party from gaining even more support and power.

The Arrow Cross obtained most of its support from a disparate coalition of military officers, soldiers, nationalists and agricultural workers. It was only one of a number of similar openly fascist factions in Hungary but was by far the most prominent, having developed an effective system of recruitment. When it contested the May 1939 elections – the only ones in which it participated – the party won 15% of the vote and 29 seats in the Hungarian Parliament. This was only a superficially impressive result; the majority of Hungarians were not permitted to vote. It did, however, become one of the most powerful parties in Hungary. But the Horthy leadership banned the Arrow Cross on the outbreak of World War II, forcing it to operate underground.

In 1944, the Arrow Cross Party's fortunes were abruptly reversed after Hitler lost patience with the reluctance of Horthy and his moderate prime minister, Miklós Kállay, to toe the Nazi line fully. In March 1944, the Germans invaded and officially occupied Hungary; Kállay fled and was replaced by the Nazi proxy, Döme Sztójay. One of Sztójay's first acts was to legalize the Arrow Cross.

During the spring and summer of 1944, more than 400,000 Jews were herded into centralized ghettos and then deported from the Hungarian countryside to death camps by the Nazis, with the willing help of the Hungarian Interior Ministry and its gendarmerie (the csendőrség), both of whose members had close links to the Arrow Cross. The Jews of Budapest were concentrated into so-called Yellow Star Houses, approximately 2,000 single-building mini-ghettos identified by a yellow Star of David over the entrance. In August 1944, before deportations from Budapest began, Horthy used what influence he had to stop the deportations and force the radical antisemites out of the government. As the summer progressed, and the Allied and Soviet armies closed in on central Europe, the ability of the Nazis to devote themselves to Hungary's "Jewish Solution" waned.

imi
10-16-2014, 08:17 AM
Arrow Cross rule

Jewish victims of Arrow Cross men in the court of the Dohány Street Synagogue
In October 1944, Horthy negotiated a cease-fire with the Soviets and ordered Hungarian troops to lay down their arms. In response, Nazi Germany launched Operation Panzerfaust, a covert operation which forced Horthy to abdicate in favour of Szálasi, after which he was taken into "protective custody" in Germany. This merely rubber-stamped an Arrow Cross takeover of Budapest on the same day. Szálasi was declared "Leader of the Nation" and prime minister of a "Government of National Unity".

Soviet and Romanian forces were already fighting in Hungary even before Szálasi's takeover, and by the time the Arrow Cross took power the Red Army was already far inside the country. As a result, its jurisdiction was effectively limited to an ever-narrowing band of territory in central Hungary, around Budapest. Nonetheless, the Arrow Cross rule, short-lived as it was, was brutal. In fewer than three months, death squads killed as many as 38,000 Hungarians. Arrow Cross officers helped Adolf Eichmann re-activate the deportation proceedings from which the Jews of Budapest had thus far been spared, sending some 80,000 Jews out of the city on slave labor details and many more straight to death camps. Many Jewish males of conscription age were already serving as slave labor for the Hungarian Army's Forced Labor Battalions. Most of them died, including many who were murdered outright after the end of the fighting as they were returning home. Quickly formed battalions raided the Yellow Star Houses and combed the streets, hunting down Jews claimed to be partisans and saboteurs since Jews attacked Arrow Cross squads at least six to eight times with gunfire. These approximately 200 Jews were taken to the bridges crossing the Danube, where they were shot and their bodies borne away by the waters of the river because many were attached to weights while they were handcuffed to each other in pairs.

Red Army troops reached the outskirts of the city in December 1944, and the siege action known as the Battle of Budapest began, although it has often been claimed that there is no proof that the Arrow Cross members and the Germans conspired to destroy the Budapest ghetto. Days before he fled the city, Arrow Cross Interior Minister Gabor Vájna commanded that streets and squares named for Jews be renamed.

As control of the city's institutions began to decay, the Arrow Cross trained their guns on the most helpless possible targets: patients in the beds of the city's two Jewish hospitals on Maros Street and Bethlen Square, and residents in the Jewish poorhouse on Alma Road. As order collapsed, Arrow Cross members continually sought to raid the ghettos and Jewish concentration buildings; the majority of Budapest's Jews were saved only by fearless and heroic efforts on the part of a handful of Jewish leaders and foreign diplomats, most famously the Swedish Raoul Wallenberg, the Papal Nuncio Monsignor Angelo Rotta, Swiss Consul Carl Lutz, Spanish Consul Ángel Sanz Briz and Giorgio Perlasca. Szálasi knew that the documents used by these diplomats to save Jews were invalid according to international law, but he allowed them to use those papers.

Charles Ardai, an American entrepreneur, novelist and book publisher, recounted in an Oct. 2008 National Public Radio interview an episode recalled by his mother, who survived the Holocaust in Hungary. Her family and other Budapest Jews were preparing to flee before the approach of Arrow Cross killers. They pleaded with two young boys who were family relatives to go with them, but they refused because their parents had told them to wait for them at home. As a result, the Arrow Cross men discovered the boys and killed them.

The atrocities committed during the Arrow Cross rule, especially the mass murders of Jewish citizens, are depicted at length in György Konrad's largely autobiographical novel Feast in the Garden (1989).

The Arrow Cross government effectively fell at the end of January 1945, when the Soviet Army took Pest and the fascist forces retreated across the Danube to Buda. Szálasi had escaped from Budapest on December 11, 1944, taking with him the Hungarian royal crown, while Arrow Cross members and German forces continued to fight a rear-guard action in the far west of Hungary until the end of the war in April 1945.

Post-war developments

After the war, many of the Arrow Cross leaders were captured and tried for war crimes. In the first months of postwar adjudication, no fewer than 6,200 indictments for murder were served against Arrow Cross men. Some Arrow Cross officials, including Szálasi himself, were executed.

In 2006, a former high-ranking member of the Arrow Cross Party named Lajos Polgár was found to be living in Melbourne, Australia. He was accused of war crimes, but the case was later dropped and Polgár died of natural causes in July of that year.

The ideology of the Arrow Cross has resurfaced to some extent in recent years, with the neofascist Hungarian Welfare Association prominent in reviving Szálasi's "Hungarizmus" through its monthly magazine, Magyartudat ("Hungarian Awareness"). But "Hungarism" is very much a fringe element of modern Hungarian politics, and the Hungarian Welfare Association has since dissolved.

imi
10-16-2014, 03:55 PM
Images

German soldiers have some fun in a hungarian-german theater in Budapest late 1944
http://oi62.tinypic.com/1z1xn5d.jpg

Theater hostess with goodbye sign
http://oi60.tinypic.com/ketg8p.jpg

imi
10-17-2014, 03:04 AM
Images

The last defense days: young hungarian teenager army volunteers armed with Panzershrecks

http://oi60.tinypic.com/a44uq8.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/152kk8z.jpg

imi
10-17-2014, 08:53 AM
Operation Margarethe

Operation Margarethe was the occupation of Hungary by Nazi German forces during World War II, as it was ordered by Hitler on 12 March 1944. A plan for the occupation of Romania was devised under the name Operation Margarethe II but was never carried out.

Course of events

The Hungarian Prime Minister Miklós Kállay, with the knowledge and approval of Regent Miklós Horthy, had been discussing an armistice with the Allies. German dictator Adolf Hitler found out about these discussions and, feeling betrayed by the Hungarians, ordered German troops to implement Operation Margarethe to capture critical Hungarian facilities, on 12 March 1944.

Hitler invited Horthy to the palace of Klessheim, outside of Salzburg, Austria on March 15. While they conducted their negotiations, German forces quietly moved into Hungary. The meeting was merely a ruse to keep Horthy out of the country and leave the army without orders. Negotiations between Horthy and Hitler lasted until the 18th, when Horthy boarded a train to return home.

When he arrived in Budapest, it was German soldiers who greeted him. Horthy was told that Hungary could only remain sovereign if he removed Kállay in favour of a government that would cooperate fully with the Germans. Otherwise, Hungary would be subject to undisguised occupation. Knowing the latter meant a gauleiter who would treat Hungary no differently than an occupied enemy country, Horthy appointed Döme Sztójay as Prime Minister to appease German concerns. The occupation was a complete surprise and resulted in it being quick and bloodless. The initial plan was to immobilise the Hungarian army, but with Soviet forces advancing from the north and east, and with the prospect of British and American forces invading the Balkans, they decided to retain the forces, sending a portion to defend the pass through the Carpathians.

As a consequence of the Nazi occupation 550,000 Jews from wartime Hungary (with reannexed territories from Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Yugoslavia) were transported to the Nazi death camps by Adolf Eichmann, with the collaboration of Hungarian authorities.

Operation Margarethe II
Operation Margarethe II was the name for a planned Nazi German invasion of Romania by German forces in conjunction with those of Hungary should the Romanian government decide to surrender to the Soviets. Romania did in fact surrender in August 1944 (after King Michael's Coup), but this operation was never implemented.

imi
10-18-2014, 03:34 AM
Images

German - Hungarian friendly football match Budapest 1944 (Germany in white, Hungary in dark shirts. The match ends 2:2)
http://oi57.tinypic.com/juwwoz.jpg

German and Hungarian commanders salute to the football players
http://oi60.tinypic.com/vywcb6.jpg

German football fans
http://oi60.tinypic.com/3355ms4.jpg

imi
11-08-2014, 06:26 AM
Images

German soldiers rest at roadside, civilians look on, while trucks and armored vehicles move in the direction of Lake Balaton in Hungary; Mid-March, 1945.
Operation Frühlingserwache
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german-armor/aGerman+troops+rest_+vehicles+move_+Hungary_+March +45.html

The Castle of Budapest then and now #1
http://www.ww2incolor.com/updates?g2_itemId=823721

The Castle of Budapest then and now #2
http://www.ww2incolor.com/updates?g2_itemId=823716

imi
02-11-2015, 09:09 AM
German PzKpfw V Panther in Debrecen 1944
http://www.ww2incolor.com/german-armor/athene-5itq6c6ya1s20oy5dp_layout.html

Damaged by mine and abandoned Wirlbelwind probably the hungarian lowlands 1944-45(?)
http://oi62.tinypic.com/33tiiia.jpg

Happy Soviet soldiers in the streets of Budapest
http://www.ww2incolor.com/soviet-union/58306.html