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woj
09-02-2010, 05:21 AM
Hello everybody,

Iīd like to start the new quiz about soft-skinned vehicles of the WW2.
(trucks, cars, jeeps, prime movers, motorcycles, artillery tractors, etc.)
If you want to join this thread, you are welcome :D

For the beginning try this:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s37.jpg

Rising Sun*
09-02-2010, 06:57 AM
Artillery tractor.

That's the easy part. Now for the guesses

Maybe Marmon-Herrington type.

Or Hansa Lloyd type, except with wheels instead of half tracks.

Troop uniforms hard to pick, but maybe middle European or Balkan.

woj
09-02-2010, 07:57 AM
Hi, Rising Sun

Neither Marmon-Herrington nor Hansa-Lloyd, but... yes, this artillery tractor was made in the middle European country!

Rising Sun*
09-02-2010, 08:08 AM
Hi, Rising Sun

Neither Marmon-Herrington nor Hansa-Lloyd, but... yes, this artillery tractor was made in the middle European country!

Hungarian?

Botond?

woj
09-02-2010, 08:15 AM
Yes, Hungarian and Botond, but what is its name?
Botond means all terrain

Rising Sun*
09-02-2010, 08:26 AM
Yes, Hungarian and Botond, but what is its name?

41M (That should be 41 M but for some reason it keeps posting as a lower case M.)

.....

woj
09-02-2010, 08:27 AM
Yup, the Hungarian artillery tractor 41M Raba Ari
Your turn, mate :)

Rising Sun*
09-02-2010, 08:44 AM
Yup, the Hungarian artillery tractor 41M Raba Ari
Your turn, mate :)

Thanks.

They didn't come much more soft-skinned than this.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3314/softskin1.jpg

Rising Sun*
09-02-2010, 07:58 PM
Clue: The significance is not the car itself but who used it.

woj
09-03-2010, 04:53 AM
Hi,

Interesting stuff!

This photo was taken in 1942 in Brisbane and shows Gen. Douglas MacArthur Wolseley18/80 Limousine

Rising Sun*
09-03-2010, 07:08 AM
Hi,

Interesting stuff!

This photo was taken in 1942 in Brisbane and shows Gen. Douglas MacArthur Wolseley18/80 Limousine

Very well done!

Your turn, mate. :D

woj
09-03-2010, 07:22 AM
Thanks, was not easy :)

Letīs guess this one

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s28.jpg

Rising Sun*
09-03-2010, 07:41 AM
Thanks, was not easy :)

It wasn't meant to be easy. ;)


Letīs guess this one

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s28.jpg

Looks a bit like a DAF design.

Am I getting warm?

Rising Sun*
09-03-2010, 07:56 AM
Looks a bit like a DAF design.

Am I getting warm?

No, I'm not.

Although it's a bit DAF, it turns out that DAF didn't produce its first truck until after the war. :(

woj
09-03-2010, 08:07 AM
Looks a bit like a DAF design.

Am I getting warm?

By no means ;-)

Rising Sun*
09-03-2010, 08:44 AM
By no means ;-)

Agreed. :(

There's a couple of French designs, mainly Renault, that are similar in many respects to your photo but clearly aren't identical.

Should I be looking further east towards Middle Europe?

Or maybe south, towards Italy?

woj
09-03-2010, 09:03 AM
Your first supposition was right, but itīs not Renault.

Rising Sun*
09-03-2010, 10:05 AM
Your first supposition was right, but itīs not Renault.

Citroen is an obvious possibility, although I can't find a Citroen truck that matches.

It'd be nice if you could Photoshop out the soldier in front of the radiator grille so I could see any emblem there. ;) :D

Peugeot had a truck roughly similar to the flat faced Renault which is similar to your picture in style if not detail, but neither of them matches.

Can't find a Berliet match.

woj
09-03-2010, 10:30 AM
This truck was made by the firm that doesnīt exist anymore.
This firm produced also a very useful armored car.

Uyraell
09-04-2010, 06:37 AM
One is tempted to think Citroen Camion-Lourde.
That wasn't designed until 1944, and didn't get produced until about October of 1946.
Which leaves us with the vehicle it was copied from: The Panhard Camion-Lourde, which has large parts of the drivetrain componentry in common with the ubiquitous Panhard 178 Armoured Car, if my memory is correct.

Kind Regards my friends, Uyraell.

woj
09-04-2010, 07:22 AM
Yes Uyraell, your memory is acting pretty good :)
I thought exactly about Panhard 178 Armoured car.
So, what is the full name of my quiz truck? ;)

Uyraell
09-06-2010, 03:17 AM
Best attempt:

Panhard Movic, 7 Tons, 4HL, 85 to 110 Hp Diesel, Produced from 1946 to 1962.

I admit the images I found differ in the windscreen. Those I found are sold, not horizontally split. However, the rest of the cab and chassis appears very close to the image you posted.

I'll await with interest your adjudication, my friend. :)

Kind and Respectful Regards Woj my friend, Uyraell.

woj
09-06-2010, 03:43 AM
Unfortunately not...
If produced in 1946, couldnīt be on the same photo with German soldiers ;)
The Panhard from my quiz is a 5 Ton Truck and was produced from 1937 to 1940.

Regards :)
woj

Uyraell
09-06-2010, 11:02 PM
Ok, found the identical image.

Panhard K. is what the image is labelled as.

http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/p/panK.jpg

Kind and Respectful Regards Woj my friend, Uyraell.

woj
09-07-2010, 02:06 AM
Yes, indeed, it is one of some trucks models named Panhard K, but it is not its full name... ;)

Panhard K 101, K 125, K 155, K 117, etc. were produced for example.
But Iīm not going to squeeze you dry, so the answer is: Panhard K 125

Very good mate :)
Your turn

Uyraell
09-07-2010, 02:43 AM
Many Thanks my friend, finding that took about 4 hours as it was. ;)
Djenkuye , though, for a pleasing ID riddle.

Here's one, though I suspect it won't take you long to ID.

Kind and Respectful Regards Woj my friend, Uyraell.

woj
09-07-2010, 10:21 AM
Hi,

Looks like Praga AV, a Czechoslovakian Command Car

Regards
woj

Djenkuye :) very kindly of you!

Uyraell
09-08-2010, 12:38 AM
Well done Woj my friend. :)
You are, of course, correct.
I'd had a small hope the Praga AV may have been perceived as a Mercedes-Benz G4c or G6c.

Warm, Kind, and Respectful Regards Woj my friend, Uyraell.

woj
09-08-2010, 03:12 AM
The Praga AV looks similar to MB G4 and... yes, itīs true: it was my first suspicion ;)

Time for my photo :cool: :




http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s23.jpg


Best Regards
woj

Rising Sun*
09-08-2010, 09:34 AM
The Praga AV looks similar to MB G4 and... yes, itīs true: it was my first suspicion ;)

Time for my photo :cool: :




http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s23.jpg


Best Regards
woj

'Service de sante" = French medical corps = vehicle is a French military ambulance.

Front half looks like it's based on a Peugeot 402 of the late 1930s.

woj
09-08-2010, 11:31 AM
Yes, itīs a French military ambulance based on a Peugeot. But itīs not a 402 one.
This vehicle was based on Peugeot pick up model and its name was...? ;)

Uyraell
09-08-2010, 11:40 AM
I was certain it was a bloodwagon, but was pondering another Panhard.
Peugeot though, does make more sense.
I hand the laurels to RS* on this pic. Looking at various Peugeot sites, 402 is an obvious candidate, even as a camionette.

Edit: having just this minute seen Woj say it isn't a 402, then I'd have to conclude a 403. That said, nothing I've found so far suggests how the 403 chassis was employed during WW2.
2nd Edit: I'm calling it a DK5 Peugeot.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26943652@N05/3769835675/

Credit goes to RS* tho, for tipping me off to Peugeot, so I pass the baton of next quizcall to him, if My guess is correct.

Reason for this is I shift house in about 4 hours, and will be offline for a few days.

Kind and Respectful Regards my friends, Uyraell.

tankgeezer
09-08-2010, 02:19 PM
Our RS* knows the answers because he probably bought the first one off the showroom floor,,,:lol:

Rising Sun*
09-08-2010, 05:22 PM
Our RS* knows the answers because he probably bought the first one off the showroom floor,,,:lol:

:D .....

woj
09-09-2010, 03:52 AM
Hi,

Of course itīs Peugeot DK5J.

Unfortunatelly Iīve made a mistake :oops:
I thought, this car was based on Peugeot 202 Pick up, and obviously I was dead wrong... Sorry guys!

Rising Sun - your turn!

Rising Sun*
09-09-2010, 06:45 AM
Hi,

Of course itīs Peugeot DK5J.

Unfortunatelly Iīve made a mistake :oops:
I thought, this car was based on Peugeot 202 Pick up, and obviously I was dead wrong... Sorry guys!

Rising Sun - your turn!

Thanks, but it should be Uyraell's turn as he got the correct answer.

Your turn, Uyraell, when you're back on online. We can wait.

Uyraell
09-13-2010, 10:32 PM
My friends RS*and Gentlemen: because of the way stuff was put into the new flat, I'm going to be several days, if not a fortnight or more sorting it out before I can get online again.
For this reason, in order to delay this quizthread no longer, I pass my turn to RS*, with Apology for having to do so.

Warm, Kind, and Respectful Regards my friends, Uyraell.

Rising Sun*
09-14-2010, 06:51 AM
My friends RS*and Gentlemen: because of the way stuff was put into the new flat, I'm going to be several days, if not a fortnight or more sorting it out before I can get online again.
For this reason, in order to delay this quizthread no longer, I pass my turn to RS*, with Apology for having to do so.

Warm, Kind, and Respectful Regards my friends, Uyraell.

Fair enough, but get your act together because you're needed here. ;) :D

In the meantime, here is an entry from an undeserved entrant.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8972/softskinquiz.jpg

woj
09-14-2010, 08:23 AM
Hi RS*,

Looks like 1941 Ford C11 ADF staff car with wooden cab.
It should be one of the first models because of its front lights.
In British or Australian service?

Regards
woj

Rising Sun*
09-14-2010, 08:29 AM
Hi RS*,

Looks like 1941 Ford C11 ADF staff car with wooden cab.
It should be one of the first models because of its front lights.
In British or Australian service?

Regards
woj

Alas, woj, not a Ford of any sort.

But in Australian service.

woj
09-14-2010, 02:05 PM
Hmmm... well, they all look very similar ;)
An Oldsmobile perhabs?

Edit:
Ok, Iīve got it :)
It is Australian-built Chevrolet Station Wagon.
This car was used by the Australians in North Africa.

Rising Sun*
09-15-2010, 04:42 AM
Hmmm... well, they all look very similar ;)
An Oldsmobile perhabs?

Edit:
Ok, Iīve got it :)
It is Australian-built Chevrolet Station Wagon.
This car was used by the Australians in North Africa.


Correctomundo!

Australia didn't have a car manufacturing capacity before or during WWII. It imported fully built cars but also chassis(?s? - what is the plural of chassis?) and motors to which local body builders added bodies which weren't necessarily the same as those used in the country of origin.

Although I don't know the history of this vehicle, I suspect it might have been a local body added to a Chev chassis.

Your turn.

woj
09-15-2010, 05:44 AM
Thanks for the info

My question:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s47.jpg

wingsofwrath
02-05-2011, 12:17 PM
That looks like a bi-motor 4X4 design from the German manufacturer Vidal & Sohn Tempo-Werke GmbH such as the Tempo G1200. It's certainly not the latter, but it could be a prototype.

Later Edit: Nevermind, it's actually a Czech Tatra V-809 from 1940...

woj
02-06-2011, 10:04 AM
Correct wingsofwrath :),
It is a Czechoslovakian TATRA V-809 produced in Kopřivnice.


Your turn!

wingsofwrath
02-06-2011, 02:21 PM
Ok then, what exactly are we looking at in this picture?
For bonus points, can you tell which army?

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5299/guess20.jpg

woj
02-08-2011, 02:50 AM
Some Austro-Daimler ADMK Motorkarrette Mulus crossing the river.
This vehicle were used by the Austrian Army.

wingsofwrath
02-08-2011, 08:13 AM
Woj, you are absolutely correct in your identification.
You may proceed.

The "bonus points" question has a bit of a twist to it though. This picture represents vehicles of the Romanian army, during manoeuvres in the summer of 1938. Until a friend of mine found this picture in the archives about six months ago, nobody ever knew we had used ADMKs...

woj
02-08-2011, 12:46 PM
Well, what the surprise. I knew nothing about the service of ADMKīs in the Romanian Army :shock:
Did the Romanian Army buy them or got from the Wehrmacht after the annexation of Austria into Germany?


and from me this one:

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s43.jpg

gumalangi
02-13-2011, 09:43 PM
Fiat 626?

woj
02-14-2011, 02:36 AM
nope, itīs not an Italian one ;)

gumalangi
02-14-2011, 05:50 AM
must be licensed built :D :D

woj
02-14-2011, 06:21 AM
no, it was the original construction ;)

gumalangi
02-14-2011, 06:10 PM
you got me here Sir!,. :D

a clue or two if you dont mind :)

G

woj
02-15-2011, 02:58 AM
Ok mate, here some hints:

made in European country
load capacity: 3,5 Ton
max. velocity 80 km/h
only about 100 copies were built as the war outbroke
some of them were seen in USSR

leccy
02-15-2011, 02:00 PM
Polish PZInz 713 truck

Another license was obtained by FABLOK, the First Locomotive Factory in Poland, to build Renault passenger cars and trucks. This manufacturing facility was located in Southern Poland, then considered the safest location for armament production. The design of the PZInz 703 conventional and 713 COE trucks was being finalized by 1935 since the original agreement with Fiat and Saurer was for a ten-year licensee agreement; therefore, the engineers at PZInz had only so much time to come up with their own specs and drawings. The PZInz factory complex was spread thin due to a diverse approach to transportation and military development, which included aircraft motors, tanks, half*tracks, motorcycles and other wheeled and tracked vehicles.

After much experimentation and testing, the military settled on the Model 703 and 713 trucks, and their respective 4x4 Models 342 and 343 versions. The PZInz Model 713 shared its chassis with the Model 723 bus. Production was set at 12,000 units per year and the state pumped $2.5 million (13 million zlotys) into the effort. The designs were no longer those of Fiat, and by 1940 an all new vehicle design was to be introduced. The sudden German invasion of 1939 and destruction of factories ended those aspirations, but it has been documented that, by that time, 100 PZInz Model 703 trucks were built along with 13,700 Fiat Model 621 light trucks.

woj
02-15-2011, 02:46 PM
Great, very good answer :)

leccy
02-16-2011, 05:20 AM
Ok here goes soft skinnned vehicles not mot my forte

5231

gumalangi
02-18-2011, 06:36 PM
Its a Morris commercial c9/b with Bofors 40mm :D

leccy
02-18-2011, 07:47 PM
Correctomondo
The Morris-Commercial C9 was as conversion of the C8 first developed as a machine-gun carrier then a 2-pdr anti-tank gun carrier

The C9/B was conceived as a mobile gun platform for defence in transport columns against air attack. Every light anti-aircraft regiment had a battery of six self-propelled guns attached to it.

The Morris-Commercial C9/B or its official designation Carrier, 30 cwt, SP, 4x4, 40 mm AA (Bofors) was a truck mounted 40mm Bofors gun utilising an elongated C8 chassis. It, and the very similar Canadian built Ford F60B, became the most prolific of all British AA vehicles, becoming the standard equipment in all theatres of war from 1943 onwards.

The C9/B was a 4-wheel drive and was powered by a 30 hp engine. The equipment was designed as a dual-purpose weapon for anti-aircraft/ anti-tank use. However, by 1944 it only posed a threat to lighter enemy armoured vehicles.

Several variants existed, but the most common utilised the Bofors 40mm Mk 5 mounting. The frame had no footrests and the firing platform was modified to take two ammunition boxes. A special seat was fitted to the top of the back of the left-hand seat to give a higher sitting position for use with the Mk 5 correctional sight. Four jacks were fitted to the chassis for stability.

gumalangi
02-18-2011, 09:08 PM
Thank you :D

and here we go,.

woj
02-22-2011, 05:55 AM
Well gumalagi, are you sure that this heavy gun tractor was made during the WW2? Because of its stylistic I belive it was produced in the fifties... ;)
But who knows, I do not! :) Any hint?

gumalangi
02-22-2011, 07:31 PM
ah,. sorry,. missed by few years of the making,. its a post war Vauxhall FV1300s,.

I let open the next question to anyone,.:)

woj
02-27-2011, 06:32 AM
OK, time is over ;)

How about this one?

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s9.jpg

DVX
03-01-2011, 04:21 PM
This is should be a Fiat 626... It has also the plate Regio Esercito...
Have I won anything? :D

woj
03-02-2011, 01:50 AM
Hi DVX,

Yes! :D
You have guessed the licence plate, but... no, itīs not a Fiat of any kind ;)

Regards

Nickdfresh
03-02-2011, 02:43 AM
I'm pretty sure it's something French, but I'm not that good at this sort of thing....

woj
03-02-2011, 03:04 AM
no, nothing French ;)

Ealdwita
03-05-2011, 02:26 PM
Sorry woj, but if that's not a 626, I'll eat my gas mask!

leccy
03-05-2011, 05:12 PM
Starts buttering a gas mask.

All the pictures of Fiat 626 and Fiat 666 I have seen the foot step is at the front of the wheel arch, this pic has the foot step behind the wheel arch.
The cab layout and design looks very similar though.

woj
03-05-2011, 09:33 PM
:D

What should I say, Ealdwita?
Do it, because itīs definitely not a Fiat.
However... an Italian one ;)

DVX
03-06-2011, 08:13 AM
It's not an Alfa Romeo, not a Lancia, not a Bianchi, not a OM.... mumble mumble....
It's an Isotta Fraschini (that was designed by Zagato, the famous car designer...) but anyway I'm not sure on the model. Perhaps a D65 but I could mistake. Isotta Fraschini produced aeroengines and trucks too... but first of all aeroengines. How many trucks did IF produce?
It should be an Isotta Fraschini, however. Have I guessed? :-)

woj
03-06-2011, 09:04 AM
Bingo, It is indeed an Isotta Fraschini D65
Well done DVX, Amico mio, youīre the next :)

DVX
03-06-2011, 09:24 AM
Bingo! It was not easy... IF didn't produce so many trucks (Italian industry produced scarcely of everything... :D), but I'd be corious to know how many...
However, thank you ;)

woj
03-08-2011, 03:39 AM
DVX --> youīve won and it is your turn now.
weīre waiting for your quiz question. ;)

DVX
03-08-2011, 09:08 AM
Ah! Sorry Woj, I didn't understand... Let me some time to find something...

DVX
03-08-2011, 09:36 AM
Ok, I've found. What is it? :D

DVX
03-12-2011, 07:46 AM
No ideas? Yes, it's quite ugly... but unusual too...

woj
03-13-2011, 05:30 AM
Well, it has to be a Japanese Amphibious Truck "SUKI".

DVX
03-13-2011, 10:07 AM
Strike! You'll right Woj. But rather than a truck, it seems a boat with wheels... ;-)
You' ve guessed. Keep the ball.

woj
03-14-2011, 07:04 AM
Right, looks looks like a boat with wheels, but in fact was a truck with the boat hull.
There is not much informations in net about this vehicle... Does anyone know something more?

And for you the new one - should be easy this time :)

http://belllaitalia.blox.pl/resource/s41.jpg

DVX
03-14-2011, 09:35 AM
It should be a Kfz 15 (or one of his development), a 4 wheels steering version.

About the Toyota Su Ki anphibious truck I just know that were produced about 200 exemplars in 1943-44. The most used in Pacific atolls, anyway it was just a boat with wheels, a sort of DUKW but poorer...

woj
03-14-2011, 11:01 AM
No, itīs not a Kfz.15 of Horch ;)

woj
03-29-2011, 05:38 AM
... but itīs a German one ;)

Ealdwita
03-29-2011, 03:19 PM
[QUOTE=woj;176191]Right, looks looks like a boat with wheels, but in fact was a truck with the boat hull.
There is not much informations in net about this vehicle... Does anyone know something more?

SuKi (1943)

A firm that later became Toyota build this truck from the non amphibious
KC truck the Amphib was known as KCY.

Japanese Amphibious 4x4 Truck
Engine: 6 cylinder 63 HP petrol
Gearbox 4 speed
Transfer-box 2 speed
Length: 7620 width: 2220 height: 2200 mm
Weight : 2700 load: 1400 kg
4 wheel drive with high ground clearance
198 where build from Nov 1934 to Aug 1944
It was based on Toyota 4x4 Truck "To-Ki"

It had a pto driven propeller on the rear but no rudder
The front wheels did the steering in the water

It was used on the Pacific islands.
Several were captured at Tinian.

There are no known surviving examples.

leccy
03-29-2011, 03:29 PM
Kfz 3 I think

http://www.4wdco.com/images/collection/P1150449_S.jpg

woj
03-30-2011, 01:43 AM
Ealdwita ---> Thank You :)
Leccy ---> Nope ;)

Next hint: This car was made 1937 by German well known firm.

malarz_russ@hotmail.com
04-03-2011, 03:32 AM
Hmmm....

Mercedes-Benz G-5?

leccy
04-03-2011, 05:25 AM
Body looks wrong for a G5.

G Wagon 1937 (http://www.4x4abc.com/G-Class/g5.html)

But it does look like this one a little apart from the filler cap, gap behind the rear door and wheel hubs lol.

BMW 325 1937 (http://www.4x4abc.com/bmw/index.html)

woj
04-04-2011, 06:00 AM
Yes, well done Mr. malarz !!! It is Mercedes-Benz G5 Kuebelwagen :)
Your turn.

malarz_russ@hotmail.com
04-05-2011, 11:21 PM
Thank you sir!

Here is my offering...

http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/710.jpg

What is it?

leccy
04-06-2011, 02:17 AM
Krupp Räumer S

This was armoured though not quite a soft skin

On second thoughts the cab and wheel base are wrong for the one captured ??

malarz_russ@hotmail.com
04-07-2011, 12:34 AM
Heya, Leccy!

Sorry, but no joy!

You are correct that the Krupp Raumer S is armored, but this isn't it. This critter is soft-skinned... and for a very different battlefield task.

Damazy
09-25-2011, 04:53 PM
Hi,

I would say this is Lauster Wargel LW-5.

leccy
10-04-2011, 05:46 AM
Lol I just noticed when looking at this photo on another site it actually has LW 5 painted on the side of the vehicle.

LAUSTER WARGEL LW-5 (http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Lauster.htm)

Damazy I would guess it is your turn.

lorenzoberry95
03-03-2016, 02:49 AM
OOOhh.. Interesting conversation this.. now, how about something from the east (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Ford_Pygmy_jeep_pilot_vehicle.JPG)!