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pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 11:38 AM
okay, i live in Canada, and my Aunt recently got back from USA, i forget which state this was in, but she went to a D-day museum and the first thing she saw was a sign saying this. "commemorating all WW2 war efforts 1942-1945." my aunt was confused because anyone who knows anything about the war knows it started in 1939. So she asked the person at the front desk why it said that, and the person said "becasue the war started in 1942, when america started fighting the Germans." my aunt got so mad she asked for her refund and left. My point is, does the USA honestly think that WW2 started in 1939 and if they weren't in it it didn't happen? I would really like to hear an Americans thought on this.

krazedkat
06-15-2010, 12:05 PM
Wow, that is somewhat pathetic.

pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 12:09 PM
of course it is, its america, i just want to hear an american's thoughts on this, maybe even a prof thoughts about this, i just wanna see if americans honestly think that it can not be a war unless they are in it.

krazedkat
06-15-2010, 12:11 PM
Well, it was 1939 when Poland was invaded and, I believe, that is when the war started. The actual starting date is more than likely argued.

pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 12:19 PM
it was, but america doesn't think it starts until they go into the war, the war started on september 1 1939, no one knew it was a world war, but even though no one knew it was a world war at the time, thats wtill when it started.

krazedkat
06-15-2010, 12:22 PM
"The start of the war is generally held to be 1 September 1939 beginning with the German invasion of Poland; Britain and France declared war on Germany two days later. Other dates for the beginning of war include the Japanese invasion of Manchuria on 13 September 1931;[5] the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War on 7 July 1937;[6][7] or one of several other events.

Others follow A. J. P. Taylor, who held that there was a simultaneous Sino-Japanese War in East Asia, and a Second European War in Europe and her colonies. The two wars merged in 1941, becoming a single global conflict, at which point the war continued until 1945. This article uses the conventional dating.[8]

The exact date of the war's end is not universally agreed upon. It has been suggested that the war ended at the armistice of 14 August 1945 (V-J Day), rather than the formal surrender of Japan (2 September 1945); in some European histories, it ended on V-E Day (8 May 1945). The Treaty of Peace with Japan was not signed until 1951.[9]"
-Wikipedia article on "Wold War II"

Just something I found on the starting date...

pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 12:29 PM
Exactly, since none of those dates say 1942, obviously, no one with a brain thinks it started then. proving that that museum is mentally retarded.

krazedkat
06-15-2010, 12:30 PM
No offense but maybe learn to spell and type properly before calling others "retards".

pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 12:46 PM
This might sound contradicting to my original posts, but the USSR couldn't do that, the red army under Stalins command could

krazedkat
06-15-2010, 12:55 PM
A) The Red Army was the USSR's main army
B) Stalin led the USSR
C) Wrong thread, you're looking for the german section

pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 01:03 PM
yes, i fixed it, thank you fro pointing that out, i will delete it now, and personally, i beklieve it should have been consdered a "world war" when russia joined, which was before america, so eitehr way, world war 2 did not start in 1942, i honestly want to find out the contact information for that meuseum and force them ti change it.

tankgeezer
06-15-2010, 02:43 PM
The reason that the museum had posted the sign indicating 1942, was that for America, this was when our direct participation in WWII began. The Museum's point of view (Being an American Museum hosting mostly Americans) was of that time. It wasn't meant to indicate that this is the actual beginning of WWII, just of our part in it as active combatants. This particular American is of the belief that the war began when Germany annexed Austria. even though there were no shots fired, it was certainly aggression. Sophocles may have some other thoughts on the subject.. these are just mine. :)
Since all of the present posters to this thread are newcomers, may I point out that this forum is intended as a congenial gathering place for exchanging ideas, and information. Its not a mosh pit, civility is expected, as are good manners. Topics might tend to wander a bit, but do try to remain as close as possible, otherwise things will get muddled.

pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 04:59 PM
I see, thank you for notifying me as i am a new comer, and thank you for your opinion on the dates posted by the museum.

tankgeezer
06-15-2010, 06:04 PM
You are very welcome, always happy to help. If you have any questions, or encounter any problems in using the site, feel free to pm me, or any of the site's staff.

pingponghobo
06-15-2010, 06:49 PM
(not trying to cause n argument or anything) but why did he person say that that was when he war started instead of "thats when america joined" when my aunt asked her?

Nickdfresh
06-15-2010, 08:30 PM
1942 would be an odd start even for the most Amero-centric historians as WWII began for the United States in December 7, 1941. Germany declared war on the U.S. on Dec. 15, 1941--but even so--the U.S. Navy was fighting a low intensity naval battle with U-boats as early as late 1940...

Perhaps the plaque is slightly misread or misstated as the term of WWII and has more to do with the Western Allied efforts to invade and liberate "Fortress Europe" culminating in D-Day? As early as 1942 there were plans for a limited, perhaps hopeless, invasion of France called Operation Sledgehammer largely being trumpeted by the American high command...

pingponghobo
06-16-2010, 11:08 AM
thank you for your input on the matter, i will try to find the museums website if they have one and post it so you people have more information. Becasue i agree i also thought maybe they were only commemorating d-day, but it said 1942-1945 as in thats when the war was.

krazedkat
06-16-2010, 01:02 PM
1942 would be an odd start even for the most Amero-centric historians as WWII began for the United States in December 7, 1941. Germany declared war on the U.S. on Dec. 15, 1941--but even so--the U.S. Navy was fighting a low intensity naval battle with U-boats as early as late 1940...

Perhaps the plaque is slightly misread or misstated as the term of WWII and has more to do with the Western Allied efforts to invade and liberate "Fortress Europe" culminating in D-Day? As early as 1942 there were plans for a limited, perhaps hopeless, invasion of France called Operation Sledgehammer largely being trumpeted by the American high command...

Oh, thanks for the extra information on America's war efforts.

pingponghobo
06-16-2010, 01:04 PM
Okay, I found out some more information, it is in New Orleans and when i typed in "D Day museum New Orleans" into google.ca, i went to the first option, so as i said i would do, here is the site http://www.ddaymuseum.org/

grange
06-16-2010, 06:44 PM
TG. Doesn't having a "start date " of 1942 instead of 1939 sort of undermine the reason for having a museum in the first place ( of course i haven't seen the sign in question ) Seeing that the US was a active supporter of the Commonwealth with lend lease etc under Roosevelt from the begining . I suppose that 42 was the " official" date after Pearl . Seems to me its kind of like telling 1/2 the story of WW2. But of course its your countys history , not mine

grange
06-16-2010, 06:50 PM
Never mind my last post , thanks

tankgeezer
06-16-2010, 07:09 PM
No worries Grange, the Museum website mentioned a timeline of 1921-1945, so maybe it was misread by the person attending the museum.

pingponghobo
06-16-2010, 09:11 PM
hmm... maybe it was, i will question her this friday. possibly she got a picture of it. not sure, but hank you for finding the date saying 1921-1945, i couldn't ind any dates. i appologize for typo's this keyboard is very bad.

krazedkat
06-16-2010, 10:36 PM
Just so you know, me and pingponghobo are both Canadian as well ;) it's not our country.

pingponghobo
06-17-2010, 02:30 PM
Just so you know, me and pingponghobo are both Canadian as well ;) it's not our country.

Of course its not our country. i said that i live in canada in the very irst post in this thread, and you said that we go to the same school in a different post.

tankgeezer
06-17-2010, 03:37 PM
Quote Originally Posted by krazedkat View Post
Just so you know, me and pingponghobo are both Canadian as well it's not our country.

Posted by pingponghobo:
Of course its not our country. i said that i live in canada in the very irst post in this thread, and you said that we go to the same school in a different post.

Okay both of you, chatter of this type belongs on Twitter,or at your lockers, not on these boards. Everyone knows where you are from, its listed in the Header of every post you make. Get with the program, childish behavior is unwelcome.

krazedkat
06-17-2010, 05:35 PM
My statement was in response of someone saying "well, it's your country". I am not attempting to be childish in any way, it is not my fault that my friend is an absolute boob and I am attempting to make intelligent conversation, his constant unnecessary responses must be the issue and I will see to it that he A) Stops unnecessary posts that are off topic or B) Leaves this forums for good.

tankgeezer
06-18-2010, 11:02 AM
KrazedKat, personal message sent, access at top right of any page, click on" notifications."

Rising Sun*
06-18-2010, 11:14 AM
I will see to it that he A) Stops unnecessary posts that are off topic or B) Leaves this forums for good.

Don't get ahead of yourself, Sunshine.

You and your anime / hacker mates could leave this forum for good very soon if you keep pissing about.

Take this as a formal mod warning to all of you. It is not disputable. Do not argue it. Just make sure you all understand it when you have your playlunch at school.

pingponghobo
06-18-2010, 11:25 AM
i see, i appologize, but regarding the actual topic, has anyone looked at thew website and ofund any dates other than 1921? i asked my aunt and she said she thinks she got apicture of it, i will try and upload it on monday

tankgeezer
06-18-2010, 11:41 AM
Since you know the name ,and location of the Museum, you might call them, and pose your question to them.

Rising Sun*
06-18-2010, 11:53 AM
i see, i appologize, but regarding the actual topic, has anyone looked at thew website and ofund any dates other than 1921? i asked my aunt and she said she thinks she got apicture of it, i will try and upload it on monday

Understand the following, because I won't give you another warning and you are one very small step away from a holiday from this site.

Stop pissing about.

You are a crypto-troll.

You put forward rubbish and then ask people to disprove or explain it and, in response to those who respond sincerely to you, you do so at each stage of your carefully crafted web of feigned ignorance and historical bullshit.

On the specific issue, look at the website to which you provided a link and in particular, and most appropriately for you, the section for students which gives you a timeline from 1921 to 1945.

If you had done that (which I suspect you did) instead of cryto-trolling and had actually looked at the website you would find that dates are mentioned sequentially from 1921 to 1945. How about you look at the ****ing website instead of asking the rest of us to engage in your pathetic juvenile games?

As for the OP comment
"commemorating all WW2 war efforts 1942-1945." my aunt was confused because anyone who knows anything about the war knows it started in 1939:

1. Anyone who knows anything about WWII knows that America's war efforts, as distinct from military engagements, were from 1942-1945 as America's involvement in the war didn't start until the end of the first week of December 1941 and it takes a while to crank up a war effort.
2. Your aunt's confusion is not a problem which can be resolved here.

This thread is a bullshit thread created for crypto-trolling purposes.

I have no more tolerance for it, or for your bullshit.

Shape up or ship out.

Rising Sun*
06-18-2010, 11:58 AM
Since you know the name ,and location of the Museum, you might call them, and pose your question to them.

Or he could just explore his linked website to the (alleged) museum, which he won't do, or at least won't admit doing, because he's jerking everyone else's chain with his bullshit.

Typical crypto-troll. Start with a vague and unprovable statement which has a gloss of plausibility, and then reel in anyone who takes the bait and spin them more bullshit.

pingponghobo
06-18-2010, 12:10 PM
umm... i dont do that on purpose, sure when you say it that is what im doing, but not on purpose, and i did check the website, i didn't find anything, and its not a problem i want to solve here i just wanted to hear opinions of other people that i do not know in real life.

Rising Sun*
06-18-2010, 12:23 PM
umm... i dont do that on purpose, sure when you say it that is what im doing, but not on purpose, and i did check the website, i didn't find anything, and its not a problem i want to solve here i just wanted to hear opinions of other people that i do not know in real life.

Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick .........

krazedkat
06-18-2010, 06:49 PM
umm... i dont do that on purpose, sure when you say it that is what im doing, but not on purpose, and i did check the website, i didn't find anything, and its not a problem i want to solve here i just wanted to hear opinions of other people that i do not know in real life.

My friend, don't you realize that you are on VERY thin-ice and are just pissing people off more? Let this thread die, it has served what little purpose it had.

pingponghobo
06-18-2010, 08:00 PM
Let this thread die, it has served what little purpose it had.


not really, it has served the purpsoe i wanted it to. how do you know what i wanted it for? did you start it? no. and your doing the exact same thing as i was, and now your saying i shouldn't do it? go **** yourself, i dont give a shit if i get banned.

Firefly
06-19-2010, 12:49 AM
not really, it has served the purpsoe i wanted it to. how do you know what i wanted it for? did you start it? no. and your doing the exact same thing as i was, and now your saying i shouldn't do it? go **** yourself, i dont give a shit if i get banned.

Just a quick note. Ping pong was given a two week holiday by one of my Mods. I have reviewed the evidence for this ban and after some though have decided to increase it to one month.

I also see absolutely no purpose to this thread other than trolling and so am also locking it up.