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Maxim
03-30-2010, 05:02 PM
I found the galleries with many pictures of Red army. It's russian blog.

nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_1/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_2/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_3/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_4/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_5/

flamethrowerguy
03-30-2010, 05:05 PM
Moved to appropriate forum.

Chevan
04-05-2010, 01:27 AM
I found the galleries with many pictures of Red army. It's russian blog.

nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_1/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_2/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_3/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_4/
nnm.ru/blogs/Svoj_v_dosku/velikaya_otechestvennaya_chast_5/
Thank you Maxim and welcome on the forum..
Some of photos are really amazing and worth of separate discussiion..
http://img15.nnm.ru/f/3/4/f/6/b6fdb6f6efcbf871ae76335889f_prev.jpg
the execution of Nazic colloborators in main square of my native city Krasnodar , 1943.
the event took place right after GErmans withdrew from Krasnodar area.
http://img11.nnm.ru/1/4/c/f/9/38fffcb85ac956acb7faa644160_prev.jpg
Ivan with the Bear:)
http://img15.nnm.ru/2/d/5/4/6/c7d08fca5e74192f3778a26b6c2_prev.jpg
That's really amazing.
The Sanitary biplan U-2. I did never seen such an "modification" before. The wounded soldiers was put into a special box mounted right on the wing!!!!
By the such risky way Po-2(U-2) can transport 3 wounded mans ( couple on the each wing and one in rear cabine).
http://img11.nnm.ru/0/2/4/0/1/485cfe5665f0c7eddc09aecb2e2_prev.jpg
Soviet lend-lise A-20 Boston Bombers over Berlin.I heard soviet pilots very praised that arcraft for reliability.
http://img15.nnm.ru/b/c/7/3/1/60476f72aded140421513d0c098_prev.jpg
That's cool shoot.
Soviet Is-2 crew in Danzig.
http://img11.nnm.ru/2/f/a/c/1/fc3b6638129507b3ea37c9d932d_prev.jpg
The soldier wit cat. How do you think what is he doing?

flamethrowerguy
04-05-2010, 01:51 AM
http://img15.nnm.ru/2/d/5/4/6/c7d08fca5e74192f3778a26b6c2_prev.jpg
That's really amazing.
The Sanitary biplan U-2. I did never seen such an "modification" before. The wounded soldiers was put into a special box mounted right on the wing!!!!
By the such risky way Po-2(U-2) can transport 3 wounded mans ( couple on the each wing and one in rear cabine).

Here's one in color of such an aircraft that was captured by the Germans in early OP Barbarossa:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/212217-2/MROM_18_2%23

Chevan
04-05-2010, 03:44 AM
Here's one in color of such an aircraft that was captured by the Germans in early OP Barbarossa:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/212217-2/MROM_18_2%23

Hmmn interesting, so it was widespread i din't really know the U-2 was used as medical aircraft..

flamethrowerguy
04-05-2010, 04:15 AM
Hmmn interesting, so it was widespread i din't really know the U-2 was used as medical aircraft..

Right, it was better known -and hated- by the German troops for being a night-time mischief when it dropped small bombs on their positions and shelters. It was given a lot of nicknames like "sewing-machine", "roadway crow" or "Ivan on duty".

Chevan
04-05-2010, 06:42 AM
Right, it was better known -and hated- by the German troops for being a night-time mischief when it dropped small bombs on their positions and shelters. It was given a lot of nicknames like "sewing-machine", "roadway crow" or "Ivan on duty".
yes , but I heard the another one nickname - Night Witches (http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?3730-Night-witches&highlight=Night+Witches)

Rising Sun*
04-05-2010, 08:47 AM
http://img11.nnm.ru/2/f/a/c/1/fc3b6638129507b3ea37c9d932d_prev.jpg
The soldier wit cat. How do you think what is he doing?

Grabbing a bit of pussy?

Chevan
04-05-2010, 08:57 AM
Grabbing a bit of pussy?

:)
Actualy he send the message to group of surrounded Germans in Stalingrad(Junuary 1943).. With the cat....I'm in shock...:shock:
It should be pretty danger for the cat, i have to say. The poor germans didn't seen the meat since at least december...

Rising Sun*
04-05-2010, 09:30 AM
:)
Actualy he send the message to group of surrounded Germans in Stalingrad(Junuary 1943).. With the cat....I'm in shock...:shock:
It should be pretty danger for the cat, i have to say.

A cat seems pretty useless as a messenger. They can't be controlled or trained very well. There's a reason we have guide dogs, not guide cats, for the blind and homing pigeons, not homing cats, as message carriers.

How would the cat know to go towards the German lines?

Or was the idea that once the cat was over the top the soldier was going to give it a bit of encouragement with his gun to head in that direction?

Rising Sun*
04-05-2010, 09:32 AM
:)The poor germans didn't seen the meat since at least december...

After they'd eaten it, the skin would make a nice warm fur helmet liner. :)

Chevan
04-05-2010, 02:51 PM
A cat seems pretty useless as a messenger. They can't be controlled or trained very well. There's a reason we have guide dogs, not guide cats, for the blind and homing pigeons, not homing cats, as message carriers.

How would the cat know to go towards the German lines?

I don't exactly know, but i've checked out the few different sources that posts that photo and all of them claims that soldier send the cat with a message.
I know the red army widely used the dogs all of kinds for that role, but i've seen the first time when they ask cat to bring the message:)
How the life is complicated..

Egorka
04-06-2010, 03:04 PM
This cat messaging is of more symbolic gesture. Much like writing "Greetings" on a shell with a chalk.

Nickdfresh
04-08-2010, 12:40 PM
Maybe the kitty was an NKVD double agent providing misinformation to the Abwehr. Didn't anyone think of that?

flamethrowerguy
04-10-2010, 09:14 AM
...or a rat-weapon countermeasure.

Rising Sun*
04-10-2010, 10:10 AM
...or a rat-weapon countermeasure.

Or an anti-tank mine dog attraction, which would be rather silly as the Soviets were using the anti-tank mine dogs and this would encourage the dogs to run into their own lines (rather like they did in action after being trained to run towards Soviet tanks, with unfortunate results).

So, the cat is either another piece of ill-considered Soviet animal weaponry which stays within Soviet lines and defeats their own objectives or a clever device designed by Soviet scientists to run towards the German lines and draw the mine dogs to the Germans.

In which latter case the cat is not a double agent but a poor, innocent Soviet dupe.

Rising Sun*
04-10-2010, 10:31 AM
Upon reflection, I think it is a calculated insult to the Germans.

There is a phrase in German which (forgive any mispelling) I recall as "in der nacht alle katz ein grau", meaning "at night all cats are grey". This expresses the same idea in English about congress with ladies that "they're all the same with the lights out" (I know from personal experience that this is not true as once when I turned the lights out an unusually aggressive lady said "You touch me and you're dead.", but that is not important here.).

So, the Soviets are sending over a grey (or 'gray' for our American members ;) :D) cat to remind the Germans that there aren't any women in their lines and that this is the only pussy they'll be seeing for a long time.

Which suggests that, as Nick pointed out, the cat is actually a committed NKVD operative.

Ivaylo
04-11-2010, 01:20 PM
interesting photos which i haven't saw before thanks for sharing them with us :)

Chevan
04-12-2010, 04:16 AM
So, the Soviets are sending over a grey (or 'gray' for our American members ;) :D) cat to remind the Germans that there aren't any women in their lines and that this is the only pussy they'll be seeing for a long time.

it's scary to think what migh to happend with poor pussy if germans will see at her as a woman...
Either as at meat..
Very brave pussy the RA had, i have to say:)


Which suggests that, as Nick pointed out, the cat is actually a committed NKVD operative.
Well , actualy there is a piece of true, all the pets in Stalingrad were in subordination of NKVD.Dogs mines the tanks ( and searches the spies), cat's were busy with special mission behind the frontline,cockroaches and rats shared the diseases among the enemies . Even our NKVD mikes desperative attack the ... germans electrical circuits and wires.
That what does the "Total war" mean in russian understanding..

navyson
04-12-2010, 08:27 AM
http://img11.nnm.ru/0/2/4/0/1/485cfe5665f0c7eddc09aecb2e2_prev.jpg
Soviet lend-lise A-20 Boston Bombers over Berlin.I heard soviet pilots very praised that arcraft for reliability.
I suppose that there was Soviet co-ordination with the other Ally airforces when bombing the same city or Germany proper? You don't hear much about that since USSR was on opposite border of Germany. And what about offensives? Did USSR co-ordinate offensives along with the western Allies? Or just go their own way?

navyson
04-12-2010, 08:30 AM
Well , actualy there is a piece of true, all the pets in Stalingrad were in subordination of NKVD.Dogs mines the tanks ( and searches the spies), cat's were busy with special mission behind the frontline,cockroaches and rats shared the diseases among the enemies . Even our NKVD mikes desperative attack the ... germans electrical circuits and wires.
That what does the "Total war" mean in russian understanding..

Wow, if only my pets were so loyal. ;) They seem to like the person with the food at the time.:D
But, that was very clever Chevan, I like that "total war". :lol:

Rising Sun*
04-13-2010, 07:51 AM
I have no idea how reliable these unreferenced statements are, but I hope they're true. They're so stupid they could well be.


Cat Bombs:

The most creative way to use a cat as a weapon happened in World War II. The United States' OSS (Office of Strategic Services, the precursor of the CIA) needed a way to guide bombs to sink German ships. Somebody hit upon the inspiration that since cats have such a strong disdain of getting wet and always land on their feet that if you attached a cat to a bomb and drop it in the vicinity of a ship, the cat's instinct to avoid the water would force it to guide the bomb to the enemy's deck. It is unclear how the cat was supposed to actually guide a bomb attached to it as it fell from the sky but the plan never got past the testing stages since the cats had a bad habit of becoming unconscious mid-drop.

Not to be outdone by its predecessor, the CIA also attempted to use cats but this time as a bugging device during the Cold War. Although a disaster as a guided bomb, the CIA thought that a cat would make the perfect covert listening device in a project known as Operation Acoustic Kitty. They attempted to surgically alter the cat by placing a bugging device inside him and running an antenna through its tail. The project took five years and $15 million dollars before the first field test hit a slight snag when the bugged kitty was released near a Russian compound in Washington and was immediately hit by a car while crossing the street. The project was ended soon after. http://www.oddee.com/item_91684.aspx

Chevan
05-03-2010, 01:56 AM
I suppose that there was Soviet co-ordination with the other Ally airforces when bombing the same city or Germany proper? You don't hear much about that since USSR was on opposite border of Germany. And what about offensives? Did USSR co-ordinate offensives along with the western Allies? Or just go their own way?
As i know there was a certain Soviet-ally co-ordination. The last bombing of Berlin was in april - accurate prior the soviet general offencive. When the battle of berlin was strated, allies stop all the bombings raids over Berlin.So we may say for sure the soviet and american A-20 never faced each other over Berline.
But as i know the dozen aircraft incidents has happend between the Soviet and Allies fighters though..

Chevan
05-03-2010, 02:02 AM
I have no idea how reliable these unreferenced statements are, but I hope they're true. They're so stupid they could well be.

Not to be outdone by its predecessor, the CIA also attempted to use cats but this time as a bugging device during the Cold War. Although a disaster as a guided bomb, the CIA thought that a cat would make the perfect covert listening device in a project known as Operation Acoustic Kitty. They attempted to surgically alter the cat by placing a bugging device inside him and running an antenna through its tail. The project took five years and $15 million dollars before the first field test hit a slight snag when the bugged kitty was released near a Russian compound in Washington and was immediately hit by a car while crossing the street. The project was ended soon after

Aha ha ha :)
that's a nice joke mate.
I just scary to think how the were going to place the bugging device "inside" kitty.:)
That's definitelly that case for the Animal Right's activists groups investigation...